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#33916 From: "waynegage2000" <waynegage@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:17 am
Subject: Re: 17 times overunity
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This has been worked to death in other forums and this is simply another claim
without backing. Don't waste time on things that don't work.
--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "scriabini" <scriabini@...> wrote:
>
> The Ainslie switching circuit is incredibly
> simple to construct and replicate.
>
> Why not evaluate the circuit and provide
> us your feedback?
>
> Of course, any who are interested may do
> so as well.  It would be exceedingly interesting
> to compare results amongst all who perform the
> experiment against what Gary discovers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---  "garys_2k"  wrote:
> >
> > They claim overunity but NEVER measure (not even improperly, very easy to do
with a rig like this) the input power.
> >
> > Sorry, not even close to winning the cigar!
> >
>
>
> > ---  Kirk McLoren  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.rexresearch.com/ainslie/ainslie.htm
> > >
> >
>

#33915 From: "garys_2k" <garys_2k@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: 17 times overunity
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I don't have nearly enough time, or interest.

I just thought it was strange that a claim was made for overunity operation when
no power INPUT measurements were done. Why not call it fifty times overunity? A
hundred?

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "scriabini" <scriabini@...> wrote:
>
> The Ainslie switching circuit is incredibly
> simple to construct and replicate.
>
> Why not evaluate the circuit and provide
> us your feedback?
>
> Of course, any who are interested may do
> so as well.  It would be exceedingly interesting
> to compare results amongst all who perform the
> experiment against what Gary discovers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---  "garys_2k"  wrote:
> >
> > They claim overunity but NEVER measure (not even improperly, very easy to do
with a rig like this) the input power.
> >
> > Sorry, not even close to winning the cigar!
> >
>
>
> > ---  Kirk McLoren  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.rexresearch.com/ainslie/ainslie.htm
> > >
> >
>

#33914 From: "scriabini" <scriabini@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:13 pm
Subject: Re: results of testing hydrogen boost system from Hydrogen Assist Development
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Eric,

It is unfortunate that you agreed to perform tests
for Drazin and SafeHHO.  NONE of the faults you
experienced with the Xtreme HHO unit were due to YOUR
'improper maintenance.'  The fault is the the Titanium
MMO coated plates that he is attempting to use for an
application they are not designed to tolerate.

He's using 'Titanium' as a new sales 'buzzword' to
justify his ridiculously high prices for a product
that is prone to early failure.  His recent efforts
to resort to an acidic electrolyte rather than the
formerly basic solution, is a last-ditch attempt to
solve the very short lifetimes of the Titanium-MMO
plates in a process for which they were never designed
to function.

Essentially, his operation is a scam which will exploit
those who are insufficiently knowledgeable.  At a very
high, and technically non-justifiable, cost.

If you want to continue exploring the benefits of
Hydrogen-Oxygen input to your automobile engine with
manufactured units ready for installation, there are
reputable sources.

An excellent source is located here:

http://www.waterfuelforall.com/waterfuel-booster-frame.htm


By the way, we all appreciate greatly your efforts
to get to the Truth while in the process exposing
the scammers.  Well done!





Eric said:


Although I have been known as a skeptic of free energy and high
mileage claims, I currently have a hydrogen boost device
installed on my car - the following link is a summary of my
testing done on this device:

http://www.phact. org/e/safehho. htm
The device is not working now - it appeared to dissolve its self
in a longer test. I gave the inventor multiple chances to get
it working. I was in the process of negotiating giving them
another chance to get it working and posted data to date. This
got the company owner very angry at me - he says my improper
maintenance caused it to not work or be destroyed and has
threatened a lawsuit if I don't take down the page. I don't
think I want to help any more hydrogen boost people do tests.
Skeptics say some of my high mileage seen on some short tests
were a result of poor protocol on my part.

Eric Krieg

#33913 From: "garys_2k" <garys_2k@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: it's too quiet
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Yep, sort of the "free range" energy. Tastier that way, too.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, GEB email <geb353@...> wrote:
>
> 'Free energy' cannot, by definition, be harnessed.
> It must be 'free', to roam as it pleases.....
> heh heh
>
> ---cheers!!!
> BuddyRay
> from The Mostly Elevated MasterBlaster @ DULCET~TONE~SERVICE & REPAIRS
> My guitar/amp service shop http://dtservice.home.insightbb.com/
> HOME OF BUDDYRAY'S CHILI  'Hot enough to start a car.'
>
> Try out the new zombocom: http://zombo.com/
>

#33912 From: "scriabini" <scriabini@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:23 pm
Subject: Re: 17 times overunity
scriabini
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The Ainslie switching circuit is incredibly
simple to construct and replicate.

Why not evaluate the circuit and provide
us your feedback?

Of course, any who are interested may do
so as well.  It would be exceedingly interesting
to compare results amongst all who perform the
experiment against what Gary discovers.







---  "garys_2k"  wrote:
>
> They claim overunity but NEVER measure (not even improperly, very easy to do
with a rig like this) the input power.
>
> Sorry, not even close to winning the cigar!
>


> ---  Kirk McLoren  wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.rexresearch.com/ainslie/ainslie.htm
> >
>

#33911 From: Miklós Borbás <borbasmiklos@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:43 pm
Subject: ether thruster, possible solution for space travelling
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You can find informations from possible solution of space travelling.
Informations are videos and explanation:

Most important videos from these thrusters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0nGiEGUErY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KMeGJ6t6rE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIu51H7zsNY

Full complett:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=borbasmiklos

Solution is presented in the first drawing on my links:

http://thruster.groupkos.com/unipolar.html
http://www.fw.hu/bmiklos2000/unipolar.html

#33910 From: GEB email <geb353@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:52 pm
Subject: it's too quiet
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'Free energy' cannot, by definition, be harnessed.
It must be 'free', to roam as it pleases.....
heh heh

---cheers!!!
BuddyRay
from The Mostly Elevated MasterBlaster @ DULCET~TONE~SERVICE & REPAIRS
My guitar/amp service shop http://dtservice.home.insightbb.com/
HOME OF BUDDYRAY'S CHILI 'Hot enough to start a car.'

Try out the new zombocom: http://zombo.com/


#33909 From: "garys_2k" <garys_2k@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:01 am
Subject: Re: 17 times overunity
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They claim overunity but NEVER measure (not even improperly, very easy to do
with a rig like this) the input power.

Sorry, not even close to winning the cigar!

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/ainslie/ainslie.htm
>

#33908 From: Charles Ford <charlieford1@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: The "beauty" renamed to waste management
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Craig:

You can also visit Chernobyl.  Processing of waste is an argument we have been making since the 70's.  The energy industry makes no provision for waste unless it is forced on them by law.  So here in the US it where government intervention can be lobbied away, "properly re-processed" is highly unlikely.  Industry will not change unless it pays to change, so if you can show them it will be cheaper to use re-constituted waste rather then fresh new rods then and only then will they change.

As scientists we use lots of formulas, and theoretical structures to prove things.  As an engineer I have had to make those things into products. We use lots of formulas too. 

Ever herd of the break-even formula?
 
Charles Ford
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From: Craig Johnson <CJohnson@...>
To: Charles Ford <charlieford1@...>
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:46:36 AM
Subject: RE: [free_energy] The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)

I believe if properly re-processed and used instead of being buried, the waste issue becomes quite manageable.

Yours,

Craig

 

From: Charles Ford [mailto:charlieford1@...]
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:40 AM
To: Craig Johnson
Subject: Re: [free_energy] The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)

 

No, however;

We are concerned about the long term storage of its waste.


Charles Ford
charlieford1@...

 

 


From: Craig Johnson <cjohnson@...>
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:19:31 AM
Subject: RE: [free_energy] The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)

 

We are nowhere close to running out of fissionables…

 

“Uranium in sea water is recoverable at costs that will not damage society. And because uranium is constantly flowing from virtually inexhaustible land sources into the sea, sea recovered of uranium is a sustainable resource. In short it is reasonable to assume that Uranium and thorium can go on supplying society with large amounts of energy for thousands of years.”

 

http://nucleargreen .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/today- nuclear-power- offers-large. html

 

 

 

From: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:free_ energy@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gregkaye
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:46 AM
To: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [free_energy] The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)

 

 

We love windmills and there's no denying it - they definitely have a certain appeal. They creaked noisily around in their charmingly inefficient way and did an amazing thing. They harnessed the power of the wind to facilitate activities like the baking of bread.

Modern wind turbines are beautiful things. Within their graceful structures they prove to be masterworks of form and function. They whirl with a phenomenal level of efficiency so as to prevent us from frying the planet. And the great news is that the wind cannot be over farmed. What's not to like?

At the end of the day we can note that all of our most notable sources of energy are generated via the heavens and the earth. The nuclear fusion of small atom allows energy to shine down on our planet, the nuclear fission of large atoms continues to allow heat to rise up from below while gravitational attraction between the moon and the Earth allows both objects to continue to spin around in their merry way. There's just one problem. Nuclear fuels are a finite resource and this begs the question as to what will happen when this fuel is gone. How might future generations regard our generation once we've completed not only the glazing of the atmosphere but also the stripping of the most valuable resources that our planet has to offer.

The word atmosphere means sphere of water. Perhaps the description is apt. A heated atmosphere may, depending on the weather, hold more water than a cold atmosphere. A heated earth could, onoccasion, turn into a form of steam room while, on later occasions, it would become a shower. Floods may be devastating . Winds may be high. Future generations may want to build wind turbines but they may have difficulties in ensuring their survival.

It is possible that future generations will look back at our "modern" wind turbines and view them amongst the most beautiful things that man has ever produced. We look back on old styled windmills with nostalgia as we give respect to the great efforts that our ancestors made just to feed themselves. Future generations will look at our wind turbines with nostalgia knowing that the turbines were built to help secure their future.

Wind turbines need to be built but, more than that, they need to be successfully integrated into the power networks of our planet. The problem with wind turbines is that they only work when the wind blows. So what can we do? The best option would be to institute a tiered pricing structure for electricity and pass any necessary legislation so that our very high powered industries might only operate at times when green energy is available. If we had cheaperelectricity on windy days then these would be the days on which people would stay in to do the washing and to use their power tools. We could also have an industry that was based on a greener form of revolution.

more at Attempts at Survival
http://www.attempts.org.uk
http://www.facebook .com/home. php?#/group. php?gid=14931058 5856

 



#33907 From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: 17 times overunity
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http://www.rexresearch.com/ainslie/ainslie.htm

#33906 From: "Mr. J" <jaemsjohn@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: It's too quiet!
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Right to harness energy effortlessly is what I said.

You bring in an energy gradient. And, I say there are gradients everywhere.

Since "Everything in Motion" is accepted there has to be work happening effortlessly everywhere.

The disdirection of the concept of a perpetual motion machine is in the conception.
The idea conjures up a machine. A physical object continuously moving like an oil pump.

What is it that we need? We need to change energy gradients effortlessly. And it seems
to me that what is most important is a store of energy. 

Oil is a store of information and so is the Sun. 

The Sun gives us a wonderful effortless source of energy gradients.

Oil not so effortless.

- j-





From: waynegage2000 <waynegage@...>
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 10:33:19 AM
Subject: [free_energy] Re: It's too quiet!

 

Everything in motion is supported by the conservation of energy. But things in perpetual motion is not the same as a perpetual motion machine.
To harvest energy to do work there must be an energy gradient.

--- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, "Mr. J" <jaemsjohn@. ..> wrote:
>
> Well since everything is moving this is a moot argument.
>
> Harnassing the energy effortlessly is the real question.
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: waynegage2000 <waynegage@. ..>
> To: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 5:16:21 AM
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: It's too quiet!
>
>
> Free energy as in perpetual motion is not possible so no one is threatened by this.
>
> --- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, "John" <spacetrooper50@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Free energy tend to threaten some group of people around this planet. I thik since there are allot of strong opposition to what the people here is trying to "do", we should do a head count on the member of this group. Some sort of inventory just to make sure everyone made it trough the hunting season dont you think?
> >
> > John,
> >
>



#33905 From: erickrieg@...
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:54 pm
Subject: results of testing hydrogen boost system from Hydrogen Assist Development
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Although I have been known as a skeptic of free energy and high mileage claims, I currently have a hydrogen boost device installed on my car - the following link is a summary of my testing done on this device:

http://www.phact.org/e/safehho.htm
The device is not working now - it appeared to dissolve its self in a longer test.   I gave the inventor multiple chances to get it working.   I was in the process of negotiating giving them another chance to get it working and posted data to date.   This got the company owner very angry at me - he says my improper maintenance caused it to not work or be destroyed and has threatened a lawsuit if I don't take down the page.    I don't think I want to help any more hydrogen boost people do tests.   Skeptics say some of my high mileage seen on some short tests were a result of poor protocol on my part.

Eric Krieg

#33904 From: Charles Ford <charlieford1@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re:
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Well, there is that whole national park thing.          >>   Drat!  :-)
 
Charles Ford
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From: Craig Johnson <cjohnson@...>
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:40:33 AM
Subject: RE: [free_energy] Re:

 

Just stake a claim in Yellowstone. We have the world’s largest number of geysers there!  

 

From: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:free_ energy@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of SpaceTrooper50
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:18 AM
To: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [free_energy] Re:

 

 

                                        Natural Steam is used to cook food or to generate electrical energy in some parts of the world. Not widely available here in the US. but there are some place around this country that uses Natural Steam.            

 

John,

 



#33903 From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:33 pm
Subject: RE:
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Natural Steam is a natural force from Earth, correct me if I'm wrong. If this is the case gravity can be harness mechanically. In my opinion any natural force that exist in this planet can be harness
 
I thik this is the reason why they say " use the force Luke". OB wanna be :)
 
John,


#33902 From: "waynegage2000" <waynegage@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: It's too quiet!
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Everything in motion is supported by the conservation of energy. But things in
perpetual motion is not the same as a perpetual motion machine.
To harvest energy to do work there must be an energy gradient.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. J" <jaemsjohn@...> wrote:
>
> Well since everything is moving this is a moot argument.
>
> Harnassing the energy effortlessly is the real question.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: waynegage2000 <waynegage@...>
> To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 5:16:21 AM
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: It's too quiet!
>
>
> Free energy as in perpetual motion is not possible so no one is threatened by
this.
>
> --- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, "John" <spacetrooper50@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Free energy tend to threaten some group of people around this planet. I thik
since there are allot of strong opposition to what the people here is trying to
"do", we should do a head count on the member of this group. Some sort of
inventory just to make sure everyone made it trough the hunting season dont you
think?
> >
> > John,
> >
>

#33901 From: "Craig Johnson" <cjohnson@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:40 pm
Subject: RE: Re:
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Just stake a claim in Yellowstone. We have the world’s largest number of geysers there!  

 

From: free_energy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:free_energy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SpaceTrooper50
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:18 AM
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [free_energy] Re:

 

 

                                        Natural Steam is used to cook food or to generate electrical energy in some parts of the world. Not widely available here in the US. but there are some place around this country that uses Natural Steam.            

 

John,

 


#33900 From: "Mr. J" <jaemsjohn@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)
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There we go...

Didn't I read here somewhere about refrigerator sized distributed nuclear plants?

I say open up the Federal Reserve to say a trillion to every energy idea that makes
even a modicum of sense.

Nah.. best first to give it to banksters with their fractional reserve leveraging of creating
something from nothing effortlessly.

- j-




From: Craig Johnson <cjohnson@...>
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:19:31 AM
Subject: RE: [free_energy] The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)

 

We are nowhere close to running out of fissionables…

 

“Uranium in sea water is recoverable at costs that will not damage society. And because uranium is constantly flowing from virtually inexhaustible land sources into the sea, sea recovered of uranium is a sustainable resource. In short it is reasonable to assume that Uranium and thorium can go on supplying society with large amounts of energy for thousands of years.”

 

http://nucleargreen .blogspot. com/2008/ 03/today- nuclear-power- offers-large. html

 

 

 

From: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:free_ energy@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gregkaye
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:46 AM
To: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [free_energy] The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)

 

 

We love windmills and there's no denying it - they definitely have a certain appeal. They creaked noisily around in their charmingly inefficient way and did an amazing thing. They harnessed the power of the wind to facilitate activities like the baking of bread.

Modern wind turbines are beautiful things. Within their graceful structures they prove to be masterworks of form and function. They whirl with a phenomenal level of efficiency so as to prevent us from frying the planet. And the great news is that the wind cannot be over farmed. What's not to like?

At the end of the day we can note that all of our most notable sources of energy are generated via the heavens and the earth. The nuclear fusion of small atom allows energy to shine down on our planet, the nuclear fission of large atoms continues to allow heat to rise up from below while gravitational attraction between the moon and the Earth allows both objects to continue to spin around in their merry way. There's just one problem. Nuclear fuels are a finite resource and this begs the question as to what will happen when this fuel is gone. How might future generations regard our generation once we've completed not only the glazing of the atmosphere but also the stripping of the most valuable resources that our planet has to offer.

The word atmosphere means sphere of water. Perhaps the description is apt. A heated atmosphere may, depending on the weather, hold more water than a cold atmosphere. A heated earth could, onoccasion, turn into a form of steam room while, on later occasions, it would become a shower. Floods may be devastating . Winds may be high. Future generations may want to build wind turbines but they may have difficulties in ensuring their survival.

It is possible that future generations will look back at our "modern" wind turbines and view them amongst the most beautiful things that man has ever produced. We look back on old styled windmills with nostalgia as we give respect to the great efforts that our ancestors made just to feed themselves. Future generations will look at our wind turbines with nostalgia knowing that the turbines were built to help secure their future.

Wind turbines need to be built but, more than that, they need to be successfully integrated into the power networks of our planet. The problem with wind turbines is that they only work when the wind blows. So what can we do? The best option would be to institute a tiered pricing structure for electricity and pass any necessary legislation so that our very high powered industries might only operate at times when green energy is available. If we had cheaperelectricity on windy days then these would be the days on which people would stay in to do the washing and to use their power tools. We could also have an industry that was based on a greener form of revolution.

more at Attempts at Survival
http://www.attempts.org.uk
http://www.facebook .com/home. php?#/group. php?gid=14931058 5856



#33899 From: "Mr. J" <jaemsjohn@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: Re: It's too quiet!
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Well since everything is moving this is a moot argument.

Harnassing the energy effortlessly is the real question.




From: waynegage2000 <waynegage@...>
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 5:16:21 AM
Subject: [free_energy] Re: It's too quiet!

 

Free energy as in perpetual motion is not possible so no one is threatened by this.

--- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, "John" <spacetrooper50@ ...> wrote:
>
> Free energy tend to threaten some group of people around this planet. I thik since there are allot of strong opposition to what the people here is trying to "do", we should do a head count on the member of this group. Some sort of inventory just to make sure everyone made it trough the hunting season dont you think?
>
> John,
>



#33898 From: Charles Ford <charlieford1@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: All Energy is Free until . . .
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A good job???? 
Yall ain't from around here are ya!  :-)
I mean it's not like the 'conventional sources' are reliable.

The North Texas story.

It is not unusual for large portions of a community to go without power for several days at a stretch during the spring storm season.  Yes it's because of damage, but these folks namely Oncor Electric Delivery won't do anything in the way of forward maintenance,  smart operations, or risk  management.  They only wait until it breaks then apply the absolute minimum fix (band-aid-brand)  to get it running again.  We wait for days because they won't keep necessary parts in stock (poor-boy operations). The next storm isn't so bad but the power goes out anyway because it washed off the band-aid.    Get the picture?

When a lightning strike blows a fuse takes or out a transformer, they have to order the part and we sit and wait.  We wait while our food rots in the freezer and people die from heat exhaustion in there own homes.  Storm season weather conditions are deadly for more then one reason.  Of course we have violent storms, and everyone sees those numbers but the national news does not publish the deaths that are due to power outages.  You see the temperatures on the news, it will be around 90f and they can't believe this can kill someone.  The temperature alone is a nave assessment.  When the dew point is in the 80s and the RH is above 95%.

 
Charles Ford
charlieford1@...



From: waynegage2000 <waynegage@...>
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 5:11:29 AM
Subject: [free_energy] Re: All Energy is Free until . . .

 

You cannot name a single unconventional power source that works.
Those who bring us energy do a good job. If not for them you would be building a fire daily to cook your food.

--- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, "Wm. Scott Smith" <scott712@.. .> wrote:
>
>
> Perpetual Motion is a straw-man argument that is used to slander every unconventional power source; nonetheless, all energy is free until someone takes it away from the rest of us, seizes control of it and maintains artificially high prices by means of contrived shortages. In what sense do we repay nature for any of the energy we take, except in the form of paying our debt to entropy?
>
>



#33897 From: Kirk McLoren <kirkmcloren@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:19 pm
Subject: Re: Re: It's too quiet!
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I used to believe that Wayne. Second law of thermo is a no brainer. Pot on a cold stove doesnt get hot. BUT - perpetual motion, free energy, will not be a thermal engine.
Kirk

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, waynegage2000 <waynegage@...> wrote:

From: waynegage2000 <waynegage@...>
Subject: [free_energy] Re: It's too quiet!
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 3:16 AM

 

Free energy as in perpetual motion is not possible so no one is threatened by this.

--- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, "John" <spacetrooper50@ ...> wrote:
>
> Free energy tend to threaten some group of people around this planet. I thik since there are allot of strong opposition to what the people here is trying to "do", we should do a head count on the member of this group. Some sort of inventory just to make sure everyone made it trough the hunting season dont you think?
>
> John,
>


#33896 From: "Craig Johnson" <cjohnson@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: RE: The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)
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We are nowhere close to running out of fissionables…

 

“Uranium in sea water is recoverable at costs that will not damage society. And because uranium is constantly flowing from virtually inexhaustible land sources into the sea, sea recovered of uranium is a sustainable resource. In short it is reasonable to assume that Uranium and thorium can go on supplying society with large amounts of energy for thousands of years.”

 

http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2008/03/today-nuclear-power-offers-large.html

 

 

 

From: free_energy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:free_energy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gregkaye
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:46 AM
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [free_energy] The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)

 

 

We love windmills and there's no denying it - they definitely have a certain appeal. They creaked noisily around in their charmingly inefficient way and did an amazing thing. They harnessed the power of the wind to facilitate activities like the baking of bread.

Modern wind turbines are beautiful things. Within their graceful structures they prove to be masterworks of form and function. They whirl with a phenomenal level of efficiency so as to prevent us from frying the planet. And the great news is that the wind cannot be over farmed. What's not to like?

At the end of the day we can note that all of our most notable sources of energy are generated via the heavens and the earth. The nuclear fusion of small atom allows energy to shine down on our planet, the nuclear fission of large atoms continues to allow heat to rise up from below while gravitational attraction between the moon and the Earth allows both objects to continue to spin around in their merry way. There's just one problem. Nuclear fuels are a finite resource and this begs the question as to what will happen when this fuel is gone. How might future generations regard our generation once we've completed not only the glazing of the atmosphere but also the stripping of the most valuable resources that our planet has to offer.

The word atmosphere means sphere of water. Perhaps the description is apt. A heated atmosphere may, depending on the weather, hold more water than a cold atmosphere. A heated earth could, onoccasion, turn into a form of steam room while, on later occasions, it would become a shower. Floods may be devastating . Winds may be high. Future generations may want to build wind turbines but they may have difficulties in ensuring their survival.

It is possible that future generations will look back at our "modern" wind turbines and view them amongst the most beautiful things that man has ever produced. We look back on old styled windmills with nostalgia as we give respect to the great efforts that our ancestors made just to feed themselves. Future generations will look at our wind turbines with nostalgia knowing that the turbines were built to help secure their future.

Wind turbines need to be built but, more than that, they need to be successfully integrated into the power networks of our planet. The problem with wind turbines is that they only work when the wind blows. So what can we do? The best option would be to institute a tiered pricing structure for electricity and pass any necessary legislation so that our very high powered industries might only operate at times when green energy is available. If we had cheaperelectricity on windy days then these would be the days on which people would stay in to do the washing and to use their power tools. We could also have an industry that was based on a greener form of revolution.

more at Attempts at Survival
http://www.attempts.org.uk
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#33895 From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:18 pm
Subject: Re:
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                                        Natural Steam is used to cook food or to generate electrical energy in some parts of the world. Not widely available here in the US. but there are some place around this country that uses Natural Steam.            
 
John,


#33894 From: "waynegage2000" <waynegage@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:16 am
Subject: Re: It's too quiet!
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Free energy as in perpetual motion is not possible so no one is threatened by
this.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "John" <spacetrooper50@...> wrote:
>
> Free energy tend to threaten some group of people around this planet. I thik
since there are allot of strong opposition to what the people here is trying to
"do", we should do a head count on the member of this group. Some sort of
inventory just to make sure everyone made it trough the hunting season dont you
think?
>
> John,
>

#33893 From: "waynegage2000" <waynegage@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:11 am
Subject: Re: All Energy is Free until . . .
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You cannot name a single unconventional power source that works.
Those who bring us energy do a good job. If not for them you would be building a
fire daily to cook your food.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, "Wm. Scott Smith" <scott712@...> wrote:
>
>
> Perpetual Motion is a straw-man argument that is used to slander every
unconventional power source; nonetheless, all energy is free until someone takes
it away from the rest of us, seizes control of it and maintains artificially
high prices by means of contrived shortages.  In what sense do we repay nature
for any of the energy we take, except in the form of paying our debt to entropy?
>
>

#33892 From: "John" <spacetrooper50@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:04 am
Subject: It's too quiet!
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Free energy tend to threaten some group of people around this planet. I thik
since there are allot of strong opposition to what the people here is trying to
"do", we should do a head count on the member of this group. Some sort of
inventory just to make sure everyone made it trough the hunting season dont you
think?

John,

#33891 From: "argona369" <argona369@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:46 am
Subject: Signature of antimatter detected in lightning
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#33890 From: "Gregkaye" <gregoriousity@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 2:45 pm
Subject: The "beauty" of wind turbines (as will be recognised by future generations)
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We love windmills and there's no denying it - they definitely have a certain
appeal. They creaked noisily around in their charmingly inefficient way and did
an amazing thing.  They harnessed the power of the wind to facilitate activities
like the baking of bread.

Modern wind turbines are beautiful things. Within their graceful structures they
prove to be masterworks of form and function.  They whirl with a phenomenal
level of efficiency so as to prevent us from frying the planet. And the great
news is that the wind cannot be over farmed.  What's not to like?

At the end of the day we can note that all of our most notable sources of energy
are generated via the heavens and the earth. The nuclear fusion of small atom
allows energy to shine down on our planet, the nuclear fission of large atoms
continues to allow heat to rise up from below while gravitational attraction
between the moon and the Earth allows both objects to continue to spin around in
their merry way. There's just one problem. Nuclear fuels are a finite resource
and this begs the question as to what will happen when this fuel is gone. How
might future generations regard our generation once we've completed not only the
glazing of the atmosphere but also the stripping of the most valuable resources
that our planet has to offer.

The word atmosphere means sphere of water.  Perhaps the description is apt.  A
heated atmosphere may, depending on the weather, hold more water than a cold
atmosphere.  A heated earth could, onoccasion, turn into a form of steam room
while, on later occasions, it would become a shower.  Floods may be devastating
.  Winds may be high.  Future generations may want to build wind turbines but
they may have difficulties in ensuring their survival.

It is possible that future generations will look back at our "modern" wind
turbines and view them amongst the most beautiful things that man has ever
produced. We look back on old styled windmills with nostalgia as we give respect
to the great efforts that our ancestors made just to feed themselves. Future
generations will look at our wind turbines with nostalgia knowing that the
turbines were built to help secure their future.

Wind turbines need to be built but, more than that, they need to be successfully
integrated into the power networks of our planet.  The problem with wind
turbines is that they only work when the wind blows. So what can we do?  The
best option would be to institute a tiered pricing structure for electricity and
pass any necessary legislation so that our very high powered industries might
only operate at times when green energy is available.  If we had
cheaperelectricity on windy days then these would be the days on which people
would stay in to do the washing and to use their power tools.  We could also
have an industry that was based on a greener form of revolution.

more at Attempts at Survival
http://www.attempts.org.uk
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=149310585856

#33889 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sat Nov 7, 2009 3:44 pm
Subject: Electric Cars Recharge Available In Major UK Supermarkets
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Now in every major supermarket in UK has been installed a network of electric car recharging points outside the stores.So that consumers can recharge their electric car while shopping. Read more at http://earthalternate.blogspot.com/ 

#33888 From: "Kirk" <kirkmcloren@...>
Date: Sat Nov 7, 2009 1:48 am
Subject: verts papers
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made a folder labeled Vert and I think I got the stuff in there

enjoy!

#33887 From: Miklós Borbás <borbasmiklos@...>
Date: Sat Nov 7, 2009 6:20 am
Subject: ether thruster, possible solution for space travelling
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You can find informations from possible space travelling. Informations are
videos and explanation:

Most important videos from these thrusters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0nGiEGUErY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KMeGJ6t6rE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIu51H7zsNY

Full complett:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=borbasmiklos

Solution is presented in the first drawing on my links:

http://thruster.groupkos.com/unipolar.html
http://www.fw.hu/bmiklos2000/unipolar.html

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