Ron,

The electrolyzer that I will be selling next month generates
9,000 liters of gas per hour. Retail cost $139.95
Wholesale $79.95

Regards, Bruce P.




--- In freenergy@yahoogroups.com, "Ronald W. Frazier"
<c3mlistforward@...> wrote:
>
> There has been a good bit of publicity lately for Denny Klein and
his
> Aquygen water car. The HHO gas he's producing to run in his car
has almost
> all the same attributes and benefits as Brown's Gas, which he
didn't
> invent. Brown's Gas has been around since the 60's. George
Wiseman at
> Eagle Research has been doing pioneering work on Brown's Gas for
about a
> decade. He developed most of the concepts that other people are
> using. George builds Browns Gas machines that can do essentially
the same
> thing as Denny Klein's, but with higher efficiency, as far as I can
> tell. I sent George a note about Denny. George says he knows
about him.
>
> Check out George's websites at: http://www.eagle-research.com/ and
> http://www.watertorch.com/ .
>
> If you want to look at Denny Klein's site, it's at:
http://hytechapps.com/ .
>
> In one of the videos on the Denny Klein's site, they say it costs
about
> $0.70 to operate the machine for 1 hour and it produces 1500 liters
of
> gas. Now, if electricity is $0.10 / KWH then they're using about 7
KW for
> that hour. In that case they're getting 1500 L / 7 KW = 241 L /
KW. If
> electricity is $0.07 / KWH then they're using about 10 KW for the
hour. In
> that case, they're getting 1500 L / 10 KW = 150 L / KW. I cannot
find any
> technical specs on the site.
>
> For comparison, on George's website, he says in one place that
producing
> 3000 L / HR would require 9 KW. So, he's getting 3000 L / 9 KW =
333 L /
> KW. So, comparing 333 L / KW to 241 L / KW, George's machine is at
least
> 38% more efficient than Denny's, unless Denny is paying much more
for
> electricity.
>
> By the way, Denny's Aquygen machine costs $6995 for 1500 L / HR and
> George's Brown's Gas machine costs $3700 for 1200 L / HR. So the
cost of
> Denny's machine is $6995 / 1500L = $4.66 / L and the cost of
George's
> machine is $3700 / 1200L = $3.08 / L, or 34% less.
>
> Now, in terms of running the car. Some of the news reports about
Denny's
> car have stated that he can run it on only water. As far as I can
tell, he
> doesn't say that on his website. He claims a 30-50% increase in
fuel
> economy, which is the same claim George makes for Brown's Gas
injection.
>
> Also, if you look at this lab report
> http://hytechapps.com/aquygen/international_journal.pdf from
Denny's
> website, you can see what effects injecting HHO into an engine have
on the
> exhaust. When mixing HHO with Natural Gas, the test lab found the
> following. I would suspect similar results for Brown's Gas.
>
> Carbon Monoxide (CO) - Decreased almost to nothing - GOOD
> Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - INCREASED slightly - BAD
> Hydrocarbons (HC) - Decreased substantially - GOOD
> Oxygen (O2) - Increased substantially - GOOD
> Nitrous Oxides (NOx) - Decreased substantially - GOOD
>
> From this I draw the following conclusions, Aquygen (HHO) (and
probably
> also Brown's Gas) can be injected into engines and will
significantly
> improve fuel economy, and will substantially reduce pollution
EXCEPT carbon
> dioxide, and will substantially increase oxygen output. So, we
could use
> this to help reduce our need of fossil fuels, to help reduce
dependence on
> foreign oil, and to clean the atmosphere. However, because the
output of
> carbon dioxide is slightly increased, using Aquygen or Brown's Gas
will
> probably either do nothing directly for global warming or make it
slightly
> worse. I'm not adamant about that, since you will be burning less
> fuel. Someone with knowledge of combustion systems could elaborate
on
> total carbon output under these conditions. It might have an
indirect
> benefit on global warming, since users would burn less fuel and
could
> potentially use some of the savings to invest in conservation or
buy carbon
> credits, etc.
>
> Now, here's another point to ponder. On the FAQ on George's
website, he
> responds to a question about running an engine solely on Brown's
Gas. He
> says it would take 3000L / HR to idle a 140 CI engine at 500 RPM
without
> doing any work. Producing the gas would take 9 KW. He says that's
not
> practical. But, just hypothetically, suppose you have an engine
that's
> doing nothing but driving a generator. Suppose the engine can
produce 180
> HP and that it takes 10 X the gas to run it. So, that's 30,000 L /
HR of
> gas to run the engine and 90 KW of power to power the gas generator
(s). It
> sounds like you could make it self running. Anyone have any
thoughts on
> that. P.S. I know the gas generators would be very expensive. I'm
just
> exploring the concept.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ron Frazier
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