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Re: [frontierkernel] My comment on UserLand's statement

On 2/9/05, Dave Winer said:

>You guys are being drama queens.

Yeah! I love a good insult. Something matters to us that doesn't
matter to you. Or maybe you just don't want us to talk about it.

Why not just say that, instead of calling us names?

>Let's talk about making the software better. UserLand will take care
>of itself. You guys don't have a clue about saving their ass, I
>promise you.

My comments (which you weren't responding to, but they're part of the
thread) had nothing to do with wanting to save any of their body
parts.

It's about unifying the community and our efforts. They have
experienced kernel developers. We have one or two experienced kernel
developers, and more that are learning as fast as their schedules
allow.

I'm not worried about incompatible versions at this point... our
stable release will move too slowly to diverge from anything on its
own, and Userland moves almost as slowly as we do. If they come out
with some significant changes, we'll still be compatible with 99.9% of
the installed base.

So again, I'm just arguing for the sake of unified development
efforts. Working together, we don't all have to work on the same
problems. I can work on the long address bug while Andre works on the
table optimizations while Jake works on support for long filenames
while Thomas works on CVS issues... etc., etc., etc.

Under the current confusing situation, what are people going to do if
(for example) Userland fixes the long filename bug but we fix the long
address bug and optimize tables? You won't be able to get it all in
one place.

Maybe you don't care about this stuff. I do.

Seth



Wed Feb 9, 2005 8:58 pm

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Well, I had to say something. In case you didn't see it: http://frontier.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$13936 I think it represents how many of us feel....
David Gewirtz
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Feb 9, 2005
5:26 pm

... Not me. This is all based on choice. If you don't want to participate you don't have to, same with UserLand, same with Microsoft, same with anyone. You're...
Dave Winer
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Feb 9, 2005
8:39 pm

... Yeah! I love a good insult. Something matters to us that doesn't matter to you. Or maybe you just don't want us to talk about it. Why not just say that,...
Seth Dillingham
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Feb 9, 2005
8:58 pm

... Ouch. Actually, I'm far less concerned about taking care of UserLand or whether it'll take care of itself than I am about how my use of UserLand products...
David Gewirtz
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Feb 9, 2005
9:32 pm

... Dave, Since it seems you have the inside-track, I'd like to ask a question (or two). Does the fact that UserLand is choosing not to participate in the Open...
Scott Greiff
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Feb 9, 2005
9:47 pm

... And apparently, neither did you Dave. Ok, that's a cheap shot, but please, don't think you can piss all over people in your usual fashion and not get...
Bill Kearney
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Feb 9, 2005
9:31 pm

. Please stop. Please do not confuse which dave you are talking about. Please stop....
Jack Foster Mancilla
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Feb 9, 2005
9:47 pm

... I think you have all answered your own question here. In the last few days, a commercial firm was compelled to make an unequivocal statement - and the only...
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Feb 9, 2005
9:54 pm

Your fallacy is about everyone working together. That just isn't in the cards, never has been part of the Frontier community, although a lot of people have...
Dave Winer
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Feb 9, 2005
9:59 pm

I don't speak for UserLand Scott, haven't worked there for 2.5 years. Dave ... From: Scott Greiff To: frontierkernel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February...
Dave Winer
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Feb 9, 2005
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Reflecting on yesterday's discussion, it seems that a major concern is that some of the technical docs still reside on UserLand servers, and you're not...
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Feb 10, 2005
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