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#28043 From: "chrissis111" <chrissis111@...>
Date: Fri Jul 2, 2010 8:21 pm
Subject: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
chrissis111
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I have Frontpage 2003 and am ready to move up.  Most jobs in my area that I see
refer to Dreamweaver as being a program that they want you to know.  I figured I
should get that one, but went to Lynda.com to learn how before I made the jump.

Dreamweaver seemed very complicated and code-based.  I took the whole 21 hour
course and didn't see much in the way of WYSIWYG designing.

I am now taking the Expression course and Expression seems to be much more
organized, much easier to learn and gives more options to someone who is design
oriented.

What am I missing?  Why is Dreamweaver so popular?

My goal is to be able to do small websites on a freelance basis.  If I go with
Expression, will I be going down the wrong road regarding employment or getting
work?

Thank you in advance for anyone who can offer me a little advice.

Regina

#28044 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Fri Jul 2, 2010 10:00 pm
Subject: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
tinaalice
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>I have Frontpage 2003 and am ready to move up.  Most jobs in my area that I
>see refer to Dreamweaver as being a program that they want you to know.  I
>figured I should get that one, but went to Lynda.com to learn how before I
>made the jump.
>
> Dreamweaver seemed very complicated and code-based.  I took the whole 21
> hour course and didn't see much in the way of WYSIWYG designing.
>
> I am now taking the Expression course and Expression seems to be much more
> organized, much easier to learn and gives more options to someone who is
> design oriented.
>
> What am I missing?  Why is Dreamweaver so popular?

   1. it costs a lot so only 'professionals' are supposed to be able to
afford to buy it.

its a snob thing ... when all that really matters is the brain behind it
just because someone owns dw does not mean they can code properly...dw is
overly complicated it apparently does a few things better than ew .... but
not that much.... they are more or less on equal terms nowadays. When asked
do you know dw reply ... that you certainly know how to code.

> My goal is to be able to do small websites on a freelance basis.  If I go
> with Expression, will I be going down the wrong road regarding employment
> or getting work?
>
> Thank you in advance for anyone who can offer me a little advice.
>
> Regina

if you are freelance its the end results that matter ... unless you are
using a dwt no one will know the difference and you can also put the
template you designed in ew in dw and crate a dwt from it. .. .I think you
can move from ew to dw regarding dwts.

You are best learning html and css not just the programs the programs are
there as a tool for a professional designer ..Learn both. .. learn ew first
as its easier and you will gain an understanding that will allow you to
figure out dw a lot more easily.

Tina
Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web Ebook v2.0 - on sale at $22
Find out how to transition from fp to ew with ease with our SUMMER SALE
http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/ebook.html

#28045 From: "Cheryl D Wise" <cdwise@...>
Date: Fri Jul 2, 2010 10:22 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
cwiserasey
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I disagree with Tina. There are many thing you can do with Dreamweaver that
you cannot do with Expression Web like see the output of CMS like Joomla or
blogs like WordPress in the live view panel while you are editing or
creating templates. There are thousands of extensions available for
Dreamweaver that can speed your productivity.

Major differences is that you can't work with ASP.NET 2.0 or later in
Dreamweaver though its php tools are superior. Expression Web has a workflow
that is more familiar to those who use Windows/MS applications.

Both Dreamweaver and Expression Web will require you to learn HTML & CSS,
probably need to learn some DOM & javascript/jQuery as well if you intend to
be a successful freelancer. You CANNOT rely on any WYSIWYG editor or even
those type tools otherwise you will sooner or later run into browser
compatibility issues you will not be able to resolve. Tina is 100% on target
with that recommendation.

It really shouldn't matter whether you use Dreamweaver or Expression Web,
what matters is that you know how to make cross browser & cross platform
websites that are accessible and usable.

Cheryl D Wise
http://wiserways.com
http://by-expression.com
Twitter: cdwise



-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Clarke

> I am now taking the Expression course and Expression seems to be much
> more organized, much easier to learn and gives more options to someone
> who is design oriented.
>
> What am I missing?  Why is Dreamweaver so popular?

   1. it costs a lot so only 'professionals' are supposed to be able to
afford to buy it.

its a snob thing ... when all that really matters is the brain behind it
just because someone owns dw does not mean they can code properly...dw is
overly complicated it apparently does a few things better than ew .... but
not that much.... they are more or less on equal terms nowadays. When asked
do you know dw reply ... that you certainly know how to code.

> My goal is to be able to do small websites on a freelance basis.  If I
> go with Expression, will I be going down the wrong road regarding
> employment or getting work?

if you are freelance its the end results that matter ... unless you are
using a dwt no one will know the difference and you can also put the
template you designed in ew in dw and crate a dwt from it. .. .I think you
can move from ew to dw regarding dwts.

You are best learning html and css not just the programs the programs are
there as a tool for a professional designer ..Learn both. .. learn ew first
as its easier and you will gain an understanding that will allow you to
figure out dw a lot more easily.

#28046 From: "Steve Fredette" <Tech@...>
Date: Sat Jul 3, 2010 6:16 am
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
geekspeaking...
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To add on, to what Tine and Cheryl have said.

	 When clients ask what I use, I give them the story of a carpenter
building there house. He may use a Stanley and/or Craftsman hammer, but
neither really matter to the homeowner, as long as the Craftsman knows his
trade.

	 What you want to stay away from is being known to using only one. I
actually use EW, DW and Notepad depending on the site.

	 To answer why DW is so popular, Tina is partially correct in it's a
snob thing, BUT DW was putting out clean code long before FP was. EW has
gone back to hiding code, like earlier versions of FP, so DW is once again
gaining popularity due to this.


Cordially,
Steven Fredette
http://www.prowebsites.net
Indianapolis, Indiana. USA (-5 GMT/UT)
"For Your Internet Wants and Needs" Since 1997


.


-----Original Message-----
From: frontpage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:frontpage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of chrissis111
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 16:21
To: frontpage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [frontpage] Expression v. Dreamweaver?

I have Frontpage 2003 and am ready to move up.  Most jobs in my area that I
see refer to Dreamweaver as being a program that they want you to know.  I
figured I should get that one, but went to Lynda.com to learn how before I
made the jump.

Dreamweaver seemed very complicated and code-based.  I took the whole 21
hour course and didn't see much in the way of WYSIWYG designing.

I am now taking the Expression course and Expression seems to be much more
organized, much easier to learn and gives more options to someone who is
design oriented.

What am I missing?  Why is Dreamweaver so popular?

My goal is to be able to do small websites on a freelance basis.  If I go
with Expression, will I be going down the wrong road regarding employment or
getting work?

Thank you in advance for anyone who can offer me a little advice.

Regina

#28047 From: "Cheryl D Wise" <cdwise@...>
Date: Sat Jul 3, 2010 12:29 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
cwiserasey
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Are you crazy? How & where does EW ever hide code? I work in split view and
have never once had EW hide anything from me. Nor have I ever in 4 years
since the first version of EW ever heard a claim that Expression Web "hides"
code.

Sure there is legacy support for a small subset of FPSE bots, notably the
forms processor and you can continue to use design time includes and there
are FP rollover buttons (which hopefully will go away in some future version
like layout tables.

Now that v4 has a decent extensibility model I expect to see more extensions
but I doubt it will ever has as many as Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver has been
the undisputed tool of choice for web designers for over 10 years. It was
always several quantum leaps ahead of its competition, what little there was
of it. Adobe tried to compete with GoLive (failed). FrontPage was aimed at
the "information worker" who would be creating sites for intranet/IE without
much care about any other browser. True non-pros use both and FP was much
easier to use but far more limiting in what you could do without using it as
a glorified code editor. There are folks who have switched from Dreamweaver
to Expression as their primary editor. Which is something I never thought
I'd ever see - happy Dreamweaver users switching to an MS web design
program. Personally, I'll continue to use both for the strengths and
weaknesses of each along with other tools that need to be in my repertoire
if I'm going to be a successful web professional/

Cheryl D Wise
http://wiserways.com
http://by-expression.com
Twitter: cdwise


-----Original Message-----
From:  Steve Fredette

	 To answer why DW is so popular, Tina is partially correct in it's a
snob thing, BUT DW was putting out clean code long before FP was. EW has
gone back to hiding code, like earlier versions of FP, so DW is once again
gaining popularity due to this.

#28048 From: "Steve Fredette" <Tech@...>
Date: Sat Jul 3, 2010 3:20 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
geekspeaking...
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I have a lot planned for this weekend, but will get back to you with
proof you can try on your end, then open in notepad to see.

	 Though I could have sworn I posted on one of these lists about it
last year...


Cordially,
Steven Fredette
http://www.prowebsites.net
Indianapolis, Indiana. USA (-5 GMT/UT)
"For Your Internet Wants and Needs" Since 1997




-----Original Message-----
From: frontpage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:frontpage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl D Wise
Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 08:30
To: frontpage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [frontpage] Expression v. Dreamweaver?

Are you crazy? How & where does EW ever hide code? I work in split view and
have never once had EW hide anything from me. Nor have I ever in 4 years
since the first version of EW ever heard a claim that Expression Web "hides"
code.

Sure there is legacy support for a small subset of FPSE bots, notably the
forms processor and you can continue to use design time includes and there
are FP rollover buttons (which hopefully will go away in some future version
like layout tables.

Now that v4 has a decent extensibility model I expect to see more extensions
but I doubt it will ever has as many as Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver has been
the undisputed tool of choice for web designers for over 10 years. It was
always several quantum leaps ahead of its competition, what little there was
of it. Adobe tried to compete with GoLive (failed). FrontPage was aimed at
the "information worker" who would be creating sites for intranet/IE without
much care about any other browser. True non-pros use both and FP was much
easier to use but far more limiting in what you could do without using it as
a glorified code editor. There are folks who have switched from Dreamweaver
to Expression as their primary editor. Which is something I never thought
I'd ever see - happy Dreamweaver users switching to an MS web design
program. Personally, I'll continue to use both for the strengths and
weaknesses of each along with other tools that need to be in my repertoire
if I'm going to be a successful web professional/

Cheryl D Wise
http://wiserways.com
http://by-expression.com
Twitter: cdwise


-----Original Message-----
From:  Steve Fredette

	 To answer why DW is so popular, Tina is partially correct in it's a
snob thing, BUT DW was putting out clean code long before FP was. EW has
gone back to hiding code, like earlier versions of FP, so DW is once again
gaining popularity due to this.

#28049 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Sat Jul 3, 2010 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
tinaalice
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I was going off your comments in the past Cheryl that you used dw only 5% of
the time nowadays instead of 50% of the time. I did say its better for some
things.. again based on what you have said... but I couldnt remember what
they are.

The op can always get both trials and decide which is best for them... then
choose based on the pocket.

Personally its a no contest for me .... ew does what i want and  even if I
paid the full whack its still the cheaper of the two.

thank goodness for trials so one can decide before one buys.

Tina

#28050 From: "Cheryl D Wise" <cdwise@...>
Date: Sat Jul 3, 2010 6:31 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
cwiserasey
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It's the "snob" statement that I found objectionable. There are good reasons
why Dreamweaver has long been the industry standard and it has nothing to do
with being a "snob".


Cheryl D Wise
http://wiserways.com
http://by-expression.com
Twitter: cdwise

-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Clarke

I was going off your comments in the past Cheryl that you used dw only 5% of
the time nowadays instead of 50% of the time. I did say its better for some
things.. again based on what you have said... but I couldnt remember what
they are.

#28051 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 12:03 pm
Subject: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
tinaalice
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> It's the "snob" statement that I found objectionable. There are good
> reasons
> why Dreamweaver has long been the industry standard and it has nothing to
> do
> with being a "snob".
>

In that case you must'nt have had the amount of conversations I've had over
the years. I've  been talking about the people using it not the actual tool.

As I  just said on another list ex-fp and ew users know, its the nut behind
the wheel that does the driving.... 98% of dw users I come across don't
understand that, though i see attitudes changing with ew. Your milage may
defer. - note I am not referring to you in the 98%.

all anyone can do is try out a tool.. there have been new fp users that
can't cope with it and instantly take to dw ....
so i will leave it at that.

Tina

#28052 From: "Steve Fredette" <Tech@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:14 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
geekspeaking...
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From: frontpage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:frontpage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tina Clarke

[In that case you must'nt have had the amount of conversations I've had over

the years. I've  been talking about the people using it not the actual tool.

As I  just said on another list ex-fp and ew users know, its the nut behind
the wheel that does the driving.... 98% of dw users I come across don't
understand that, though i see attitudes changing with ew. Your milage may
defer. - note I am not referring to you in the 98%.

all anyone can do is try out a tool.. there have been new fp users that
can't cope with it and instantly take to dw ....
so i will leave it at that.

Tina]


	 No need to explain, the rest of us knew what you meant and have seen
the snobbish attitude from some that use DW.

	 One has to remember Cheryl comes from the lawyer world, hence
probably lives for the next argument. I tend to take her at the level of a
grain of sand and move on.

Cordially,
Steven Fredette
http://www.prowebsites.net
Indianapolis, Indiana. USA (-5 GMT/UT)
"For Your Internet Wants and Needs" Since 1997

#28053 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
tinaalice
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> No need to explain, the rest of us knew what you meant and have seen
> the snobbish attitude from some that use DW.
>
> One has to remember Cheryl comes from the lawyer world, hence
> probably lives for the next argument. I tend to take her at the level of a
> grain of sand and move on.
>
> Cordially,
> Steven Fredette
> http://www.prowebsites.net
> Indianapolis, Indiana. USA (-5 GMT/UT)
> "For Your Internet Wants and Needs" Since 1997

I rather think Cheryl likes to be precise as do I:) I respect Cheryl's
thoughts on the matter and most everything else she talks about, I would not
have got as far as I have without her help. Actually I find Cheryl to be far
far more diplomatic than I and she rein's me in quite a bit on occasion or
everyone would have far more lashes from my red hair moments LOL.

Tina

#28054 From: "James S. Huggins \(dot com\)" <YGroupModerator@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 2:48 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
ygroup_moder...
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========================
everyone would have far more lashes from my red hair moments LOL.
========================

Didn't know you had Red Hair.

Is there a picture of you anywhere that shows your Red Hair?

#28055 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
tinaalice
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========================
> everyone would have far more lashes from my red hair moments LOL.
> ========================
>
> Didn't know you had Red Hair.
>
> Is there a picture of you anywhere that shows your Red Hair?

Well James that tells me you have never read any of my Expression Web
tutorials! They are on them all.

Just see my about page.
http://any-expression.com/about.htm
needs updating a bit.

Tina

#28056 From: "Steve Fredette" <Tech@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 4:39 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
geekspeaking...
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From: frontpage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:frontpage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Tina Clarke

[I rather think Cheryl likes to be precise as do I:) I respect Cheryl's
thoughts on the matter and most everything else she talks about, I would not

have got as far as I have without her help. Actually I find Cheryl to be far

far more diplomatic than I and she rein's me in quite a bit on occasion or
everyone would have far more lashes from my red hair moments LOL.

Tina]

	 I think you mistook my meaning. An argument as in liken to a debate,
not flaming. Though, I do disagree on it's just her being precise. It's in
her nature to debate, plain and simple.

	 I just prefer to do my debating in other realms, than Web design.
Hence, the reason for my remark that I take her at a grain of sand. I've
caught her on one or two posts over the years that we could have debated ad
nauseum. But to what end? Now if she wants to debate politics or religion in
another forum, I'd be more than happy to oblige her. I just prefer not to
debate points in this realm, is all.

	 I love your "red haired" moments! Though, like James said, I don't
believe I've ever seen a pic of you with red hair :-)


Cordially,
Steven Fredette
http://www.prowebsites.net
Indianapolis, Indiana. USA (-5 GMT/UT)
"For Your Internet Wants and Needs" Since 1997

#28057 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 4:51 pm
Subject: WAS: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver? Now OT: Red Hair Moments
tinaalice
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> I love your "red haired" moments! Though, like James said, I don't
> believe I've ever seen a pic of you with red hair :-)
>
>
> Cordially,
> Steven Fredette
> http://www.prowebsites.net
> Indianapolis, Indiana. USA (-5 GMT/UT)
> "For Your Internet Wants and Needs" Since 1997

Oh dear .. not that you need to read my tutorials Steven but another one who
hasn't read my tutorials.... I must be doing something wrong!

I only have ONE picture of me on the net ... family have attempted to upload
'caught' pictures of me at family events but they are told sternly to take
em down. ..:)

Tina

#28058 From: "James S. Huggins \(dot com\)" <YGroupModerator@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 5:16 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
ygroup_moder...
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==========================
Well James that tells me you have never read any of my Expression Web
tutorials! They are on them all.
==========================

Nope. Just tells you that on my monitor it looks brown.

James

#28059 From: "imagination94112" <lois@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 6:37 pm
Subject: FrontPage for 64 bit
imagination9...
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I created my website in Frontpage 2003. I just got a new 64 bit workstation and
am using Windows 7 and Office 2010. Will Frontpage 2003 run on my new
workstation? My FP 2003 is installed as an upgrade from Office 2000, I think.
What problems might I run into?

If I can no longer run frontpage then what will be easier and faster for me to
transition to  Expression or Dreamweaver? How smoothly do FP 2003 open up in
Expression. Is Expression similar at all to fP 2003?

#28060 From: COURYHOUSE@...
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 3:14 pm
Subject: I need to know if i can use front page 2000 even earlier with windows7 64 bit!
couryhousesmecc
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I need to know if i can use front page 2000 even earlier  with   windows  7!
ed sharpe

In a message dated 7/4/2010 11:37:58 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
lois@... writes:


and Office 2010. Will Frontpage 2003 run on my new workstation? My FP 2003
is installed as an upgrade from Office 2000, I think. What problems might I
  run into?

If I can no longer run frontpage then what will be easier  and faster for
me to transition to Expression or Dreamweaver? How smoothly do  FP 2003 open
up in Expression. Is Expression similar at all to fP 2003?








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#28061 From: H Davis <hdavis1@...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
grinlap
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Yes, it should work fine if it has no 16 bit code left over from older
versions. All new Windows computers have a 64 bit processor and most are
shipped with the 64 bit version of the Win7 operating system. 32 bit
applications (most existing programs) will work on a 64 bit operating
system. There is one caveat however; if your application needs an
external device like a printer, scanner, etc, that device must have a 64
bit driver to install properly in a 64 bit operating system. Many legacy
hardware items don't have such a driver available and the vendors have
no plans to provide one. This means if you had a perfectly good printer
that doesn't have a 64 bit driver available you're out of luck (the
Ultimate version, I think, of Win7 provides a work around using WinXP as
a virtual machine).

But see this quick rundown
<http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/32-bit-and-64-bit-explained.htm>
for details.

H Davis



imagination94112 wrote:
>
>
> I created my website in Frontpage 2003. I just got a new 64 bit
> workstation and am using Windows 7 and Office 2010. Will Frontpage
> 2003 run on my new workstation? My FP 2003 is installed as an upgrade
> from Office 2000, I think. What problems might I run into?
>
> If I can no longer run frontpage then what will be easier and faster
> for me to transition to Expression or Dreamweaver? How smoothly do FP
> 2003 open up in Expression. Is Expression similar at all to fP 2003?
>
>

--
H Davis   hdavis1@...



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#28062 From: COURYHOUSE@...
Date: Sun Jul 4, 2010 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
couryhousesmecc
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what about fp 2000 though???


versions. All new Windows computers have a 64 bit processor and most  are
shipped with the 64 bit version of the Win7 operating system. 32 bit
applications (most existing programs) will work on a 64 bit operating
system. There is one caveat however; if your application needs an
external device like a printer, scanner, etc, that device must have a 64
bit driver to install properly in a 64 bit operating system. Many legacy
hardware items don't have such a driver available and the vendors have
no plans to provide one. This means if you had a perfectly good printer
that doesn't have a 64 bit driver available you're out of luck (the
Ultimate version, I think, of Win7 provides a work around using WinXP as
a virtual machine).

But see this quick rundown
<_http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/32-bit-and-64-bit-explained.htm_
(http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/32-bit-and-64-bit-explained.htm) >
for details.

H Davis




Thanks,

Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC

See the Museum's Web Site at _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org/)


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#28063 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
tinaalice
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> Nope. Just tells you that on my monitor it looks brown.
>
> James

Nope 100% red WITH freckles too boot!

Tina

#28064 From: "James S. Huggins \(dot com\)" <YGroupModerator@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 2:30 pm
Subject: RE: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
ygroup_moder...
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========================
> Nope. Just tells you that on my monitor it looks brown.
>
> James

Nope 100% red WITH freckles too boot!

Tina
========================

Can you send me your photo?

JHuggins -at- JamesSHuggins.com

#28065 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
tinaalice
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>I created my website in Frontpage 2003. I just got a new 64 bit workstation
>and am using Windows 7 and Office 2010. Will Frontpage 2003 run on my new
>workstation? My FP 2003 is installed as an upgrade from Office 2000, I
>think. What problems might I run into?
>
> If I can no longer run frontpage then what will be easier and faster for
> me to transition to  Expression or Dreamweaver? How smoothly do FP 2003
> open up in Expression. Is Expression similar at all to fP 2003?

Well this question seems to be coming up quite a bit lately.

1. Money no object? Get DW around 600 to 800 I think.
2. Full new learning curve and plenty of time? Get DW

1. Upgrade price is about $80 to Expression Web 4.0
2. ... if you have been using themes nav bots and other bots in either case
expect a learning curve but expect a bigger one with dw. If not then its
just a matter (if you were using fp03) of learning where new buttons are a
few new names and some great new features like a built in css editor which
is like topstyle (the css editor we recommend fp users use .. cos there was
a lite version) the css properties is really easy to use and helps you learn
css really quick. Code error reporting which is a huge boon and several
other helpful things.

Get both trials Expression Web 4.0 has 60 days and check them out for
yourself.. providing in the first place you are willing to pay the full
whack for dreamweaver of course.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7b10272b-2f96-4250-aede\
-3fcfadf26f34&displaylang=en

With the full monty (not sure if you get this in the trial or not) you also
get Expression Design and Expressin Encoder .. .there are other packages
available with more as well.

Read about that here http://www.microsoft.com/expression/try-it/Default.aspx

hope this helps

Tina
Migrating from FrontPage to Expression Web Ebook v2.0 - on sale at $22
Find out how to transition from fp to ew with ease with our SUMMER SALE
http://www.frontpage-to-expression.com/ebook.html

#28066 From: "Tina Clarke" <TinaClarke@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 2:56 pm
Subject: Re: Expression v. Dreamweaver?
tinaalice
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> Can you send me your photo?
>
> JHuggins -at- JamesSHuggins.com

James, that is totally weird!

besides the same one isn't going to look any different on the moniter is it?

suffice to say I do have red hair.

Tina

#28067 From: "Lois DeCastro" <lois@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
imagination9...
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Thanks for the help on the 64 bit  OS and  Frontpage 2003 compatibility
question. Really appreciate it.



Lois



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#28068 From: COURYHOUSE@...
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
couryhousesmecc
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I still need to know about  2000  though    ...  I  am using that...and
2000 is older than 2003

Thanks,

Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC

See the Museum's Web Site at _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org/)

We are always looking for  items to add to the museum's display and ref.
library - please advise if you  have anything we can use.

Coury House / SMECC
5802 W. Palmaire Ave.  Phone 623-435-1522
Glendale Az 85301 USA



In a message dated 7/5/2010 3:34:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
lois@... writes:

Thanks  for the help on the 64 bit OS and Frontpage 2003 compatibility
question.  Really appreciate it.

Lois

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#28069 From: Patricia Geary <patgeary@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 11:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
gearyhome2003
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At 07:13 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote:
>I still need to know about  2000  though    ...  I  am using that...and
>2000 is older than 2003


I am using Win 7 with fp2003 and a number of other programs that were
not built for 64 bit sustems. I find that win 7 installs then under
Programs (86 bit) if I remember off the top of my head. All you can
do is try and install it and see what happens.

Pat





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#28070 From: "James S. Huggins" <YGroupModerator@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 11:47 pm
Subject: RE: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
ygroup_moder...
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================================
All you can
do is try and install it and see what happens.
================================

Always makes me feel like the bomb disposal instructor said ... all you can
do is try.

#28071 From: H Davis <hdavis1@...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 2010 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
grinlap
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Ed,

The general rule, as I said, is that if the program has only 32 bit code
it will run on a 64 bit MS OS. The older a program is the more likely it
is to have some legacy 16 bit code from the era when software was making
the transition from 16 bit to 32 bit processors. Unfortunately, it's not
easy to tell if a program has any legacy 16 bit code. I suggest you
inquire on some MS forums for the program of interest. It's possible
that MS might have a list of programs, especially its own programs, that
will run on the new 64 bit versions of Win7. Hunt around on the MS site.

H Davis

COURYHOUSE@... wrote:
>
>
> I still need to know about 2000 though ... I am using that...and
> 2000 is older than 2003
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC
>
> See the Museum's Web Site at _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org/)
>
> We are always looking for items to add to the museum's display and ref.
> library - please advise if you have anything we can use.
>
> Coury House / SMECC
> 5802 W. Palmaire Ave. Phone 623-435-1522
> Glendale Az 85301 USA
>
> In a message dated 7/5/2010 3:34:52 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> lois@... <mailto:lois%40afternoonarts.com> writes:
>
> Thanks for the help on the 64 bit OS and Frontpage 2003 compatibility
> question. Really appreciate it.
>
> Lois
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

--
H Davis   hdavis1@...



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#28072 From: COURYHOUSE@...
Date: Tue Jul 6, 2010 2:19 am
Subject: Re: Re: FrontPage for 64 bit
couryhousesmecc
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no reason to  change now...
as long as I have fp extensions..

thanks  I will check  some  'Ed#

In a message dated 7/5/2010 4:52:27 P.M. US  Mountain Standard Time,
hdavis1@... writes:



The  general rule, as I said, is that if the program has only 32 bit code
it  will run on a 64 bit MS OS. The older a program is the more likely it
is  to have some legacy 16 bit code from the era when software was making
the  transition from 16 bit to 32 bit processors. Unfortunately, it's not
easy  to tell if a program has any legacy 16 bit code. I suggest you
inquire on  some MS forums for the program of interest. It's possible
that MS might  have a list of programs, especially its own programs, that
will run on the  new 64 bit versions of Win7. Hunt around on the MS site.

H  Davis

_COURYHOUSE@..._ (mailto:COURYHOUSE@...)  wrote:
>
>
> I still need to know about 2000 though ... I am using  that...and
> 2000 is older than  2003



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