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Re: [futarchy_discuss] Measuring Welfare

> tehom@... (Tom Breton (Tehom)) writes:
>>On the other hand, even though I summed it up in the word "happiness" or
>>"satisfaction", the phrase "better off", to me, would cue a response
>> about
>>my personal circumstances more than one about my emotions. How would you
>>cue respondents more strongly to focus away from their recollections of
>>their emotions?
>
> By not asking them to do intertemporal comparisons. You appear to have
> suggested doing those comparisons in order to solve problems associated
> with measuring emotions.
> For measuring circumstances other than emotions, it's unclear what
> problems
> you're worried about.

It seems to me that satisfaction reports are implicitly some sort of
intertemporal comparison. Or at least the alternative bases for
satisfaction reports are worse: interpersonal comparisons ("Keeping up
with the Joneses" as the foundation of GDP+?) and comparisons to
situations that have not actually been experienced.

Anyways, I suggested comparisons to specific times in order to eliminate
one source of variance. It's not so much that one person might baseline
their satisfaction against last year and another against 5 years ago, it's
that the collective baseline might change. If (say) society is going thru
a period of nostalogia for the 50's and therefore the 50's is felt to be a
natural baseline to a greater degree than it otherwise would be, that
shouldn't be reflected in GDP+.

Tom Breton (Tehom)




Tue Apr 1, 2008 1:59 am

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Bhutan is trying to define national welfare http://www.physorg.com/news125462439.html "The main concerns have been identified as psychological well-being,...
David Curran
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Mar 25, 2008
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... Life expectancy provides a fairly objective measure that is rather highly correlated with the concerns that I care about. Some care needs to be taken to...
Peter C. McCluskey
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Mar 26, 2008
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... I'm glad you asked that. I would include a component to measure self-reported satisfaction. Now, self-reported satisfaction ("happiness") is notoriously ...
Tom Breton (Tehom)
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Mar 27, 2008
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I see many problems with these suggested measures Lifespan can be extended in all sorts of authoritarian ways. Ban smoking is an obvious one. Is there any way...
David Curran
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Mar 27, 2008
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... The law of unintended consequences. This sort of discussion is largely an attempt to anticipate those consequences. ... Or, is there a way to measure...
Tom Breton (Tehom)
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Mar 27, 2008
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... well-being is what's being asked about. So the survey question would be something like "Are you better off than you were N years ago?" You could be better...
David Curran
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Mar 27, 2008
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... That is true. I'm tempted to suggest framing the question in a way that excluded mere age. Something like "Other than being N years older than you were,...
Tom Breton (Tehom)
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... If we had a good measure of psychological well-being, that should solve this problem. I doubt we can solve the problem without measuring psychological...
Peter C. McCluskey
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Mar 28, 2008
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... You make a good point. Especially "how they think they ought to have felt" - that's something I hadn't considered. On the other hand, even though I summed...
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Mar 29, 2008
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... By not asking them to do intertemporal comparisons. You appear to have suggested doing those comparisons in order to solve problems associated with...
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Mar 31, 2008
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... It seems to me that satisfaction reports are implicitly some sort of intertemporal comparison. Or at least the alternative bases for satisfaction reports...
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