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Can anybody tell me why does Gimp 1.0.x copy the palettes dir? The logical
way will be not to do so, and copy those palettes that are modified (same
name so user ones takes precedence, or different so you can access all
versions). Like plugins or patterns.

Thanks in advance.

GSR

I ate the fortune cookie first, then read what nolot Florent wrote:
> Hi,
> i have a problem with the jpeg format. When i save an image in this
> format, after make a flatten image, the quality of the image is not the
> same that the original image, even i choose quality one. The color
> change.
>
> Have you a solution?
> Thanks
>
> Florent Nolot  nolot_fl@...
> France

If your eyes are really good, you'll probably notice the difference no
matter what you do.  In JPEG the math is more important than the bits.
So, some images really do look better and store smaller as GIFs - usually
because they either have a lot of mostly-same color patches, they see
enough optimization from left-to-right GIF compression (and maybe speed
from top-to-bottom loading and interlacing), or something is so subtle in
the image that you're better off losing colors than image details.

In a GIF you can customize the palette, or even force the palette to your
selection.  (I assume the destination is web;  if not, maybe you should try
other file formats too.)

I'm not sure of the source of your JPEG, and whether you have been mixing
parts from multiple images together, so this may not apply to you.  But,
when working with layered content, I seem to see better results when I
"merge visible layers" instead of flatten.  So, ever since my experience
with that, I don't use flatten.

(Well, I used it once to get a weird effect.  But never mind that.)

When my destination is GIF or JPEG, I -always- save the XCF I got started
in.  It contains a lot more information than either of these formats, and
if my client doesn't like the results, I can go back and modify the
offending layer(s) easily, index using another palette, try to get the
"same" effect using slightly different features, etc.

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nolot Florent wrote:

> Hi,
> i have a problem with the jpeg format. When i save an image in this
> format, after make a flatten image, the quality of the image is not the
> same that the original image, even i choose quality one. The color
> change.
>
> Have you a solution?
> Thanks
>

When you save an image as a jpeg in the gimp, the options box gives you a
place where you can choose the compression percentage from 0 to 100 (zero
is totally compressed and 100 is uncompressed - different graphics programs
approach this in different ways - in another program I have, this would be
backwards). In gimp, I usually get a pretty good result by setting it to
around 85 - not too much loss of quality while still getting a decent file
size. Another thing to remember is that jpegs lose quality each time they
are edited and resaved, so you only want to save as a jpeg when you are
certain you're finished editing the picture. Also, jpegs have a tendency to
look bad if you have large areas of solid color. If you still have your
original image that still looks good, try making copies of it and saving it
at several different compression levels between around 70 to 100 and see
what happens.

-Wildflower

On 22 May, 1999 - nolot Florent sent me these 0,3K bytes:

> Hi,
> i have a problem with the jpeg format. When i save an image in this
> format, after make a flatten image, the quality of the image is not the
> same that the original image, even i choose quality one. The color
> change.

JPEG compression is based on getting rid of some information your eye
might not see. That's why you get worse quality.

PNG or Tiff might be a better suggestion, depending on what you are
going to do with the images.

/Tomas
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Hi,
i have a problem with the jpeg format. When i save an image in this
format, after make a flatten image, the quality of the image is not the
same that the original image, even i choose quality one. The color
change.

Have you a solution?
Thanks

Florent Nolot  nolot_fl@...
France

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Dear Future Associate,

You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours.  Start earning Big
Money in a short time

                                     NO Newspaper Advertising!

Your job will be to stuff and mail envelopes for our company. You
will receive $.25 for each and every envelope you stuff and mail
out.

Just follow our simple instructions and you will be making money
as easy as
1… 2… 3

For example stuff and mail 200 envelopes and you will receive
$50.00. Stuff and mail 1000 and you will receive $250.00. Stuff
and mail 2000 and you will receive $500.00 and more

Never before has there been an easier way to make money from
home!

Our Company's Home Mailing Program is designed for people with
little or no experience and provides simple, step by step
instructions.

There is no prior experience or special skills necessary on your
part, Just stuffing envelopes.

We need the help of honest and reliable home workers like you.
Because we are overloaded with work and have more than our staff
can handle. We have now expanded our mailing program and are
expecting to reach millions more with our offers throughout the
US and Canada.

Our system of stuffing and mailing envelopes is very simple and
easy to do!
You will not be required to buy envelopes or postage stamps.

We will gladly furnish all circulars at no cost to you. We assure
you that as a participant in our program you will never have to
mail anything objective or offensive.

There are no quotas to meet, and there no contracts to sign. You
can work as much, or as little as you want. Payment for each
envelope you send out is Guaranteed!

Here is what you will receive when you get your first Package.
Inside you will find 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales
letters ready to stuff and mail

As soon as you are done with stuffing and mailing these first
letters, your payment will arrive shortly, thereafter. All you
have to do is to order more free supplies and stuff and mail more
envelopes to make more money.

Our sales literature which you will be stuffing and mailing will
contain
information outlining our highly informative manuals that we are
advertising nationwide.  As a free gift you will receive a
special manual valued at  $24.95, absolutely free, just for
joining our Home Mailers Program.

Plus you will get your own special code number, so that we will
know how much you are to get paid.  And to make re-ordering of
more envelopes, that our company supplies very simple for you.

We are giving you this free bonus because we want you to be
confident in our company and to ensure that we will be doing
business with you for a long time.

Benefits Of This Job:

1. You do not have to quit your present job, to earn more money
at home
2. You can make between $2,500 to $4,500 a month depending on the
amount of time you are willing to spend stuffing and mailing
envelopes
3. This is a great opportunity for the students, mothers,
disabled persons or those who are home bodies.

To secure your position and to show us that you are serious about
earning extra income at home we require a one-time registration
fee of $35.00.
This fee covers the cost of your initial start up package,  which
includes 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters and a
manual, your registration fee will be refunded back to you
shortly thereafter.

Money Back Guarantee!

We guarantee that as soon as you stuff and mail your first 300
envelopes You will be paid $75.00 and your registration fee will
be refunded.

Many of you wonder why it is necessary to pay a deposit to get a
job. It is because we are looking for people that seriously want
to work from home.

*  If 3.000 people told us they wanted to start working from home
and we sent out 3.000 packages free to every one.  And then half
of the people decided not to work, this would be a potential loss
of more than $60,000 in supply's and shipping that we have sent
out to people that don't want to work

We have instituted this policy to make sure that you really want
to work and at least finish your first package.

To Get Started Today Please Enclose Your Registration Fee of $35
Check,Cash Or Money Order and fill out the application below and
mail to:

AHWA CO
425 S Fairfax Blvd., STE 306
Los Angeles, CA 90036

Name_____________________________________________________

Address___________________________________________________

City____________________________________ State______________

Zip Code________________

Telephone Number(s)_________________________________________

E-mail Address______________________________________________



For all orders, please allow seven (7) days for delivery and up
to 10 days. Cash and Money Orders will result in faster shipping of your
package.

I have just installed Redhat 5.2, including Gimp "out of the box".

When I start up Gimp, I get a bunch of messages:

"file gtkpreview.c line 563 gtk_preview_draw_row
preview_class -> info.visual != NULL"

As I said, it's "out of the box" so no configuration has been done.
Can't find any logs or additional diagnostics. Looks to me like
something is missing but gtk is there according to glint.

Anyone got any ideas where to look for the answer.

Cheers,

Cliff
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Email: cliff_p@...  Phone: 025 246 7747

Okay. We have a date and room and time:

Heres the relevant info, mark your calenders.

What: GIMP Developers & Users Meeting, Siggraph99, LA
Location: Wilshire Grand Hotel (4 blks from convention center)
Room: Del Mar/Verdugo
Time: Tues,10 August  5:30 pm - 7:30 pm

If you have comments, or suggestions about what we
should do at our meeting, you can email:

gimpsiggraph@...

I believe we will be listed in the program/buyer guides
as well.

Calvin

I need some help.  TheGimp.com is short an Artist of the Month this month.
I contacted a couple of people but their schedules just didn't give them
time to work on the required info (which really isn't that much).  I had
hoped to have this months issue up by today, but thats not going to happen
now.  If I can't find someone quick, I'm stuck showcasing my own work again
- and I already did that just 2 months ago.

So, does anyone know someone (including yourself) who would be interested
in being this months Artist of the Month?  The basic requiremenst are:

1. 1 small image for the main page, with a full size version linked from
there (I'm willing to drop the large version, or just make the small
version myself if you can't/don't know how/etc).

2. A description of the processes you go through to make your images,
preferrably the one you went through to make this particular image.

3. A description of your hardware configuration.

You can look at the current issues artist, Johnny Taporg, for an example of the
info I need.

One additional requirement this month:  I need this info by tonight (friday
night, USA), or I'm going to have to spend the weekend coming up with another
image of my own.

If you want to nominate someone else, I need a URL to see samples of their
artwork and a working email address (I got several nominations previously that
had no valid email - so couldn't contact the artist).  If you want to
nominate yourself I need an URL of your artwork.  Please don't send artwork
just yet - I only have a 33.6 modem!

BTW, this upcoming issue has a sneak peak at the status of the 1.2 release,
a tutorial on making your friends into aliens, and a slew of tip
comparisons between Photoshop and the Gimp.  Plus a spotlight on some lucky
artist! :-)
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On Wed, 19 May 1999, Michael Starkie wrote:

> I just installed gimp-1.0.4 and gtk-1.2 on Solaris 5.6.
> When I try to open a .xpm or .tif file I get an open error dialog.  I
> can read a .gif file however.
> I can also open the same .tif files in XV but not the .xpm files. I
> received no compiliation errors when compiling gimp so I assume the tif
> and xpm libraries were built and installed correctly as part of the gimp
> packages.

The TIFF and XPM librarys are not a part of the gimp distribution. You
should look at the configure output. If configure doesnt find the
appropriate librarys, the plugins for TIFF and XPM will not be build.
There are no explicite error messages at the compile process.

    Jens
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>Hello all...
>I have been asked a question I sort of know the answer to but cannot make
>work.  Someone wondered if a picture of a server taken at a slight angle
>could be rotated to get a straight on shot.  There are so many parallel
>lines that are in the wrong place that I cannot get it right.  I tried just
>cropping the stuff I don't want, but that still isn't quite right.  When I
>use the perspective tool, I get a ton of smear and cannot get the
>parallelogram right.  Is there a way to do this that yields more
>staisfactory results?  All wrongs and no rights make me exasperated.
>I have the image if someone would likme to take a crack at it.

You can correct any perspective error using my plug-in
'Panorama Tools'.

Regds

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Free Panorama Software
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Hello Jim,

If I am not mistaken the first use of morphing (warping) was precisely that.
I think They added depth information on all morphpoints on the grid.
which gives you more or less a 3D model, and then giving it an other angle
is easy( You rotate your 3D grid, project it again and morph).
but since most morphing tools don't handle additional info like that ,
you to do the modifications on the grid yourself.
But if you dont mind the manual work,I think it could be a quick fix.

Gaetan Maerten.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Clark [mailto:eanna@...]
Sent: woensdag 19 mei 1999 23:22
To: gimp user mailing list
Subject: More questions than answers recently


Hello all...
I have been asked a question I sort of know the answer to but cannot make
work.  Someone wondered if a picture of a server taken at a slight angle
could be rotated to get a straight on shot.  There are so many parallel
lines that are in the wrong place that I cannot get it right.  I tried just
cropping the stuff I don't want, but that still isn't quite right.  When I
use the perspective tool, I get a ton of smear and cannot get the
parallelogram right.  Is there a way to do this that yields more
staisfactory results?  All wrongs and no rights make me exasperated.
I have the image if someone would likme to take a crack at it.
Thanks--
Jim Clark
eanna@...
And coming soon--the all-GIMP home page of the USDA RMA (crop
insurance--exciting stuff..but getting some good graphics and logos with
more to come at http://www.act.fcic.usda.gov/

Hello all...
I have been asked a question I sort of know the answer to but cannot make
work.  Someone wondered if a picture of a server taken at a slight angle
could be rotated to get a straight on shot.  There are so many parallel
lines that are in the wrong place that I cannot get it right.  I tried just
cropping the stuff I don't want, but that still isn't quite right.  When I
use the perspective tool, I get a ton of smear and cannot get the
parallelogram right.  Is there a way to do this that yields more
staisfactory results?  All wrongs and no rights make me exasperated.
I have the image if someone would likme to take a crack at it.
Thanks--
Jim Clark
eanna@...
And coming soon--the all-GIMP home page of the USDA RMA (crop
insurance--exciting stuff..but getting some good graphics and logos with
more to come at http://www.act.fcic.usda.gov/

I just installed gimp-1.0.4 and gtk-1.2 on Solaris 5.6.
When I try to open a .xpm or .tif file I get an open error dialog.  I
can read a .gif file however.
I can also open the same .tif files in XV but not the .xpm files. I
received no compiliation errors when compiling gimp so I assume the tif
and xpm libraries were built and installed correctly as part of the gimp
packages. Also how do I install the patch-1.0.3-1.0.4 patch and where do
the fonts go?

Regards,
Mike

I have the gimp 1.0.1 of Mandrake 5.3 (Red Hat 5.2), and Sane rpm from
mandrakes' site wich put automaticaly a shortcut for xscanimage in the
Gimp
plug-ins folder.



Chris Bitmead a écrit :

> Are you using gimp 1.0.4? Are you sure you compiled xsane with gimp
> support?
>
> Patrice HARDOUIN wrote:
> >
> > I can't launch xscanimage with Gimp, it reply :
> > # gimp
> > ~/.gimp/plug-ins/xscanimage: GIMP support missing.
> > wire-read: unexpected EOF (plug-in crashed?)
> >
> > Anybody can help me ?
> >
> > (Patrice HARDOUIN, HP scanjet 5p at /dev/sgc, xscanimage avalaible)
> >
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I ate the fortune cookie first, then read what Michael J. Hammel wrote:
> Thus spoke Heather Stern
> > This is pretty much true of X.  It expects a keyboard to exist, and it
> > expects a pointer to exist, when the session is established, or the server
> > will consider the absence fatal, and drop back out.  (I've also seen it fail
> > on missing a few critical font names.)  This is server dependent, of course,
> > but I think it stems from wanting to establish raw access to those devices,
> > and then drop priveleges.
>
> Actually, the success/failure of the X server to start based on the
> availability of a pointing device is pretty much X server dependent.

I *did* say this.  I even conjectured why.

> Xi
> Graphics server, for example, will start if it doesn't see a mouse.  This
> is useful for applications that use keyboard interfaces only (like some
> kiosks implementations).

I could see it being real handy during presentations setup,  get your box
up fast so that your audience sees color and knows they're in the right
place.... and leave the pointer gadget unplugged until you're actually
ready to roll, so nobody can screw it up.

>>   Ob gimp:  how do I assign a keystroke to toggling resize-on-zoom, the
>>   dialog is a pain and it's on the second tab too.  Alternatively, I do use
>>   a nice big screen, is it possible I could get a prefs box that isn't
>>   layered so I can just get all my prefs at once?
>
> Not without reprogramming the interface.  The size of the prefs box is not
> a preference option.  :-)

Oh well.  I was kind of hoping those tab dialogs were something like Fvwm's
"swallowed" objects, that maybe they could be unswallowed.

I love gradients, gradients are my friend :)  By mixing and matching gradient
on different layers, you can get really impressive "painting like" perspective
which is quite unlike real perspective.

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greetings and salutations...
i am having a somewhat frustrating problem-
whenever i open a new window (including the main window when i run
gimp), it shows up minimized (iconified?). i had this happen before with
gimp 1.1.?, and kde 1.0, but when i un-installed 1.1.? and reinstalled
1.0.2, the problem went away... thusly, i assumed that it was related to
the 1.1.x versions.
i am running gimp 1.0.4 (the only big difference i remember noticing is
the tile-based hooah), and kde 1.1
i sure would love to fix this problems, since (as i am sure you can
imagine) having every filter, tool, etc. window minimized to start with
gets tiresome pretty fast during any serious project.
tia.

your ever-so-humble-compatriot-in-gimping,

cailen

Thus spoke Heather Stern
> This is pretty much true of X.  It expects a keyboard to exist, and it
> expects a pointer to exist, when the session is established, or the server
> will consider the absence fatal, and drop back out.  (I've also seen it fail
> on missing a few critical font names.)  This is server dependent, of course,
> but I think it stems from wanting to establish raw access to those devices,
> and then drop priveleges.

Actually, the success/failure of the X server to start based on the
availability of a pointing device is pretty much X server dependent.  Xi
Graphics server, for example, will start if it doesn't see a mouse.  This
is useful for applications that use keyboard interfaces only (like some
kiosks implementations).

>    Ob gimp:  how do I assign a keystroke to toggling resize-on-zoom, the
>    dialog is a pain and it's on the second tab too.  Alternatively, I do use
>    a nice big screen, is it possible I could get a prefs box that isn't
>    layered so I can just get all my prefs at once?

Not without reprogramming the interface.  The size of the prefs box is not
a preference option.  :-)
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