Hi
I CC this to gnubies-il. I think this is a very Frequently Asked Question.
As for reading hebrew mail: I used the fribidi executable from the fribidi
package. In pine I piped the content of the message (using '|' in the
message view screen) to 'fribidi -charset 8859-8 -rtl'.
אין לי מושג איך ההודעה הזו תראה בארכיון הרשימה
http://www.egroups.com/group/gnubies-il
On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Itsick Moallem wrote:
> הי צפריר
> רציתי לדעת אם תוכל להפנות אותי לאתר שיש בו גופנים בעיברית שמתאימים גם
> ל-RH 6.1 KDEאו GNOME ושבאמצעותם אני אוכל לראות עיברית באינטרנט ןאם אפשר
> אז גם במערכת ההפעלה עצמה
התמיכה בעברית היא ב-X. אם ב-X מוגדרים פונטים עבריים אז אפשר להשתמש בהם
בגנום ובKDE. כנ"ל לגבי מקלדת עברית.
מלבד זאת KDE כולל שני דברים קטנים נוספים:
בגנו הם בחרו להשתמש בתמיכת מיפוי המקלדת של X (ישנה תוכנית קטנה בשם gkb
שיושבת בפנל של גנום ודואגת לקרוא לxkxkb או לxmodmap לצורך שינוי מיפוי
המקלדת.(. בKDE הם בחרו לבנות משהו עצמאי )kikbd - K Internatioan Keyboard(.
בשל העובדה שיש כמה בעיות טכניות קטנות עם מיפוי xkb לעברית, וכן שמיפוי
xmodmap לעברית שמגיע עם גנום אינו תקין, gkb כיום אינו שמיש למיפוי מקלדת
עברית ללא כמה שינויי קונפיגורציה נוספים.
קצת פרטים נוספים אפשר למצוא ב:
http://www.linux.org.il/faq/cache/56.html
מישהו טרח לתרגם חלקים מהממשק של KDE לעברית. הסיבה היחידה שזה לא נעשה גם
לגנום, ולתוכנות אחרות, הוא עצלנות של המשתמשים כותבי העברית, שלא טרחו לעשות
את העבודה הזו גם עבור תוכנות אחרות.
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/HebLocale/
> אם תוכל להסביר לי איך להתקין אותם אני אודה לך כי באמת אין לי מושג
> אני במייל:
> itsick@...
> itzick1@...
> אני מבקש ממך כי דברים אחרים שניסיתי להוריד לא הצליחו לי כל כך בהתקנה
> תודה מראש
> איציק
>
ולתשובה עצמה (לא היה לי כוח לשכתב אותה בעברית):
First of all - try the rpms I have made of Eli Marmor's fonts:
ftp://ftp.linux.org.il/pub/local-dev/tzafrir/00INDEX.html#hebfonts
(look under ElMar fonts. Use version 3.3-3).
Also - have a look under MS fonts for some instructions on how to install
TrueType fonts from windows. You can also find there a small pcript that
attempts to install some of them.
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mailto:tzafrir@...
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
Hi!
I want to get a SIMPLE explanation on how to be able to read hebrew E-mails
under Red Hat Linux 6.2, I use a Pentium III computer with 8GB hard drive,
and 64Mb RAM, with dual boot between Windows 95 and Linux 6.2 (RedHat).
Is it possible to write/read hebrew e-mails under Netscape Communicator? is
it possible to read/write/create hebrew filenames and hebrew ASCII text
files?
Thanks,
Yuval.
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, yuval khalifa wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I want to get a SIMPLE explanation on how to be able to read hebrew E-mails
> under Red Hat Linux 6.2, I use a Pentium III computer with 8GB hard drive,
> and 64Mb RAM, with dual boot between Windows 95 and Linux 6.2 (RedHat).
> Is it possible to write/read hebrew e-mails under Netscape Communicator? is
> it possible to read/write/create hebrew filenames and hebrew ASCII text
> files?
>
> Thanks,
> Yuval.
>
Try hebpine. And I don't think Communicator will work, at least not at
present. I believe Tzafrir Cohen is more knowledgable about that than I
am.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
>
>
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The prefix "God Said" has the extraordinary logical property of
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Hi !
Thanks, Tzafrir is on my contact list in ICQ so I asked him and he told me
to ask you... gee, how modest are you? (-;
Yuval.
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> From: Shlomi Fish [SMTP:shlomif@...]
> Sent: ג אוגוסט 22 2000 16:43
> To: 'gnubies-il@egroups.com'
> Subject: Re: [gnubies-il] Hi... I have a question....
>
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, yuval khalifa wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I want to get a SIMPLE explanation on how to be able to read hebrew
> E-mails
> > under Red Hat Linux 6.2, I use a Pentium III computer with 8GB hard
> drive,
> > and 64Mb RAM, with dual boot between Windows 95 and Linux 6.2 (RedHat).
> > Is it possible to write/read hebrew e-mails under Netscape Communicator?
> is
> > it possible to read/write/create hebrew filenames and hebrew ASCII text
> > files?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Yuval.
> >
>
> Try hebpine. And I don't think Communicator will work, at least not at
> present. I believe Tzafrir Cohen is more knowledgable about that than I
> am.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > gnubies-il-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Hi
I don't have a decent web connection at the moment, so I can't give you
any verified links. Anyway...
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, yuval khalifa wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I want to get a SIMPLE explanation on how to be able to read hebrew E-mails
> under Red Hat Linux 6.2, I use a Pentium III computer with 8GB hard drive,
> and 64Mb RAM, with dual boot between Windows 95 and Linux 6.2 (RedHat).
> Is it possible to write/read hebrew e-mails under Netscape Communicator?
I haven't tried it, but it seems that reading and writing mail in NS is
possible, only you'll see the hebrew reveresed. You'll probably also have
to set the character-set of your message.
If the message is encoded in unicode (UTF8) - netscape will not even show
the characters correctly.
Generally - NS is not that good as a mail client. I suggest you try mutt,
pine and XFMail (any other recommended?) - it is a big bloat, that crashes
too often.
As for writing - you can try writing the message in a text editor with
better Hebrew support (maybe try gtkbidi with some editor,see
http://linux.org.il/pub/Hebrew/00INDEX.html#gtkbidi )
In the linux-il FAQ I described what procedure I use to read and write
Hebrew email with pine. I believe most of it can be appied to others (or
maybe simply copy the text from the mail client to gtkbidi gedit to read
it).
BTW: don't use hebpine. It uses visual Hebrew, which is basically wrong,
and would probably be misinterpeted by any mail client that supports
Hebrew (although I believe Outlook Express is the only one at the moment).
> is
> it possible to read/write/create hebrew filenames
It is possible, but I would advise against it, as some programs may suume
filenames are ASCII chars (that is - chars at the range 32-127). I never
noticed any problem, though.
> and hebrew ASCII text
> files?
Certainly. All you need is a way to type in Hebrew chars. Either use X or
console keyboard mapping, or use an editor like vim (or emacs with Hebrew
mode). There's information about all of those in the FAQ
(http://linux.org.il/faq/), however I don't remember the exact page, and
how well organized it is.
--
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mailto:tzafrir@...
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
Hello all,
I am a real NewBie in linux-PC (not Unix).Just intalled Red Hat 6.2,
but I have a major problem:
I run Win98 / Linux (booting Linux using a diskette, not LILO):
my problem is :hardware:
1) I have a USB mouse ("Microsoft IntelliEye") and don't know how to
get it works under Linux.
2) I have a "MOTOROLA SM56 pci" modem and I can't work with it. I
think Linux does not support this modem - Is there anything I can
still do to connect to the internet ?
Thank U all.
Yuval Nardi
Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Department of Statistics
02-5348739
Hi!
Yuval Nardi wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am a real NewBie in linux-PC (not Unix).Just intalled Red Hat 6.2,
> but I have a major problem:
>
> I run Win98 / Linux (booting Linux using a diskette, not LILO):
> my problem is :hardware:
>
> 1) I have a USB mouse ("Microsoft IntelliEye") and don't know how to
> get it works under Linux.
Sorry, I dunno.
> 2) I have a "MOTOROLA SM56 pci" modem and I can't work with it. I
> think Linux does not support this modem - Is there anything I can
> still do to connect to the internet ?
It is a winmodem so it won't work under Linux.
Get yourself, a modem that isn't winmodem, my suggestion is USR 56k modem,
be sure to get the NOT winmodem edition of it.
> Thank U all.
>
> Yuval Nardi
> Hebrew University of Jerusalem
> Department of Statistics
> 02-5348739
>
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Yuval Nardi wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am a real NewBie in linux-PC (not Unix).Just intalled Red Hat 6.2,
> but I have a major problem:
>
> I run Win98 / Linux (booting Linux using a diskette, not LILO):
> my problem is :hardware:
>
> 1) I have a USB mouse ("Microsoft IntelliEye") and don't know how to
> get it works under Linux.
>
Well, you will need to install the USB support. Mandrake included it by
default but I don't think that RedHat does, at least not on version 6.2.
In any case, check:
http://www.suse.cz/development/usb-backport/
for the USB support in kernel 2.2.x which ships with RH 6.2. I can't
promise it will work, because I myself had no experience with it.
In any case, you should consider buying a PS/2 or serial mouse. They are
not very pricey.
> 2) I have a "MOTOROLA SM56 pci" modem and I can't work with it. I
> think Linux does not support this modem - Is there anything I can
> still do to connect to the internet ?
>
Not as far as I know, unless the modem vendor supplies drivers for Linux
too. And like Boris said, you can buy another modem.
Hope it helps,
Shlomi Fish
> Thank U all.
>
> Yuval Nardi
> Hebrew University of Jerusalem
> Department of Statistics
> 02-5348739
>
>
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The prefix "God Said" has the extraordinary logical property of
converting any statement that follows it into a true one.
Shalom everybody (pronounce the 'r' like in hebrew plz!)
As shortly explained in subject i'm a newbie, my name is Chaoul, i'm
french, i'm 25 and i'm a NT administrator. I fell on Linux after years i
didn't want lishbor et harosh on it. LINUX RULES!!! I've the Mandrake 7.1,
installed for one week, I've had to do it 20 times but now it's ok, i've
got no more problemz but be sure I'll have some soon :-)
So, shanah tovah you all!
PS: Of course thx for creating such a list!
Chaoul@...
--- In gnubies-il@egroups.com, chaoul@c... wrote:
>
> Shalom everybody (pronounce the 'r' like in hebrew plz!)
> As shortly explained in subject i'm a newbie, my name is Chaoul, i'm
> french, i'm 25 and i'm a NT administrator. I fell on Linux after
years i
> didn't want lishbor et harosh on it. LINUX RULES!!! I've the
Mandrake 7.1,
> installed for one week, I've had to do it 20 times but now it's ok,
i've
> got no more problemz but be sure I'll have some soon :-)
> So, shanah tovah you all!
> PS: Of course thx for creating such a list!
> Chaoul@c...
SHANA TOVA GAM LECHA.
YuVaL NaRdI
I made a symlink from my home directory to /usr/local and it would'nt
work.I placed mozilla M18 in /usr/local and then made a symlink to the
mozilla executable file called mozilla.When I run
/usr/local/package/mozilla from my Xterm it works fine.When I try my
symlink which I called moz and tried to run it as ./moz it replied
file not found-yet the symlink is set up to the correct file.
thanks for any ideas
stephen s fine wrote:
>
> I made a symlink from my home directory to /usr/local and it would'nt
> work.I placed mozilla M18 in /usr/local and then made a symlink to the
> mozilla executable file called mozilla.When I run
> /usr/local/package/mozilla from my Xterm it works fine.When I try my
> symlink which I called moz and tried to run it as ./moz it replied
> file not found-yet the symlink is set up to the correct file.
> thanks for any ideas
>
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(I dont have much to say, but since none has replied yet, I'll give my words):
According to your description it looks as if it should work.
Double check your links. you should have run something like (as root):
ln -s /usr/local/package/mozilla /home/stephen/moz
and then check the permissions of you to run this.
This should do it. (or am I wrong ?)
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Boaz Rymland wrote:
> stephen s fine wrote:
> >
> > I made a symlink from my home directory to /usr/local and it would'nt
> > work.
I don't understand exactly:
Did you have /usr/local which is a symlink that points to /home/stephen ?
> I placed mozilla M18 in /usr/local and then made a symlink to the
> > mozilla executable file called mozilla.When I run
> > /usr/local/package/mozillafrom my Xterm it works fine.When I try my
> > symlink which I called moz and tried to run it as ./moz it replied
> > file not found-yet the symlink is set up to the correct file.
I assume you double checkeed the correctness of the link with:
ls -l ~/moz
> > thanks for any ideas
>
> (I dont have much to say, but since none has replied yet, I'll give my words):
If you still cannot find the solution, please post the outputs of
ls -l /home/stephen/moz
ls -l /usr/local/package/mozilla
{ cd /home/stephen/ ; ./moz }
(the last line: simly run ./moz, and make sure it is from /home/stephen )
BTW: why not put this symlink in ~/bin/ instead of the home directory?
~/bin is (I believe) added to you PATH in the init scripts.
>
> According to your description it looks as if it should work.
> Double check your links. you should have run something like(as root):
>
> ln -s /usr/local/package/mozilla /home/stephen/moz
I the link is to be created in /home/stephen, and therefore can be created
by stephen as well. No need for root.
> and then check the permissions of you to run this.
Would a permissions problem yeald a "file not found" error?
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/home/fine/bin/run-mozilla.sh /home/fine/bin/mozilla-bin: No such file
or directory (this is message I get when I run mozilla from xterm)
lrwxrwxrwx 1 fine fine 34 Oct 20 16:34 mozilla ->
/usr/local/mozilla/package/mozilla (symlink as with ls -la)
-rwxrwxr-x 1 8482 uucp 1656 Jun 17 03:54 mozilla
-rwxrwxr-x 1 8482 uucp 63032 Oct 11 02:17 mozilla-bin
-rwxrwxr-x 1 8482 uucp 7990 Sep 14 23:58 run-mozilla.sh
(permissions on files)
I made a~/bin directory as suggested and made a symlink called mozilla
The above is the info I get.
Does any of this help? By the way I am using Libranet -Debian 2.2
Hi
On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, stephen s fine wrote:
> /home/fine/bin/run-mozilla.sh /home/fine/bin/mozilla-bin: No such file
> or directory (this is message I get when I run mozilla from xterm)
It seems to me that the he script gets to run. The symlink is OK. But it
doesn't run in the right environment.
Aren't you suppose to run the mozilla script from the package directory?
Puting it in /usr/local/package is not such a good choice, either. Perhaps
you should put it under /usr/local/mozilla , or somewhere under your home
directory (this is not a metter of making it run. It is only a matter of
keeping your system from too much mess).
Please see the README of mozilla.
If that is the case, put the following script in, say, ~/bin :
#!/bin/sh
cd /usr/local/package
./mozilla
(don't forget 'chmod +x' and stuff). This will runthe script mozilla (last
time I read that README they instructed there to run "mozilla", and not
"run-mozilla". But I'm not exactly sure about that).
HTH
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http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
Yes that solved the problem.Thanks very much.By the way is there
a rule when to use /usr/local.I have compiled kernels here without
a problem.Is this OK ?
On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, stephen s fine wrote:
> Yes that solved the problem.Thanks very much.By the way is there
> a rule when to use /usr/local.I have compiled kernels here without
> a problem.Is this OK ?
>
You can use /usr/local for whatever you want. Be warned that installing
stuff under /usr/local (which is usually the default option if you are
compilining an autoconf piece of software) can be problematic.
For instance, on Mandrake it doesn't load shared libraries installed under
/usr/local/lib by default.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
>
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The prefix "God Said" has the extraordinary logical property of
converting any statement that follows it into a true one.
I thought it may be of use to someone to make a little list
of some of my favourite sites for Linuxnewbies
1 ) http://linuxtoday.com This site
provides upto date news on everything to do with Linux.
2)www.linuxgazette.com .This is an
absolute must to read.The archives are a gold mine of information
particularly the early ones.
3)www.arstechnica.com.These guys support
Linux and their forum -Linux kung-fu is terrific.
4)www.eunuchs.com.A personal site of
Michael Holwe.Has a bit of everything.His linux coffee cup forum and
his unix tip of the day are always of interest
5)www.linux.com.Has everything.Watch it
regularly
6 )www.linuxnewbie.org.This is self
explanatory.It is however more than just for newbies.These guys are
great.
Does anybody else have some good sites to suggest ?
Enjoy
Steve
Linux-IL maintains a link hierarchy on its site. I'll add those links when
I find some time, but if you wish to add more you can use its interface to
suggest them, and I'll accept them when I find some time.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, stephen s fine wrote:
> I thought it may be of use to someone to make a little list
> of some of my favourite sites for Linuxnewbies
> 1 ) http://linuxtoday.com This site
> provides upto date news on everything to do with Linux.
> 2)www.linuxgazette.com .This is an
> absolute must to read.The archives are a gold mine of information
> particularly the early ones.
> 3)www.arstechnica.com.These guys support
> Linux and their forum -Linux kung-fu is terrific.
> 4)www.eunuchs.com.A personal site of
> Michael Holwe.Has a bit of everything.His linux coffee cup forum and
> his unix tip of the day are always of interest
> 5)www.linux.com.Has everything.Watch it
> regularly
> 6 )www.linuxnewbie.org.This is self
> explanatory.It is however more than just for newbies.These guys are
> great.
> Does anybody else have some good sites to suggest ?
> Enjoy
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
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The prefix "God Said" has the extraordinary logical property of
converting any statement that follows it into a true one.
stephen s fine wrote:
>
> I thought it may be of use to someone to make a little list
> of some of my favourite sites for Linuxnewbies
> 1 ) http://linuxtoday.com This site
> provides upto date news on everything to do with Linux.
> 2)www.linuxgazette.com .This is an
> absolute must to read.The archives are a gold mine of information
> particularly the early ones.
> 3)www.arstechnica.com.These guys support
> Linux and their forum -Linux kung-fu is terrific.
> 4)www.eunuchs.com.A personal site of
> Michael Holwe.Has a bit of everything.His linux coffee cup forum and
> his unix tip of the day are always of interest
> 5)www.linux.com.Has everything.Watch it
> regularly
> 6 )www.linuxnewbie.org.This is self
> explanatory.It is however more than just for newbies.These guys are
> great.
> Does anybody else have some good sites to suggest ?
> Enjoy
> Steve
>
>
>
>
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One omportant site:
http://www.iglu.org.il : This is not some faked local patriotism. This is one of
my favorite sites for documentation. One of the most useful things on IGLU is
the LinuxDOC mirror. This is an EXCELLENT site for beginners, intermediate and
proffessionals too. It has priceless books/docs/tutorials/references/etc' all
for free from the community people to the community people.
boaz.
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I have a question to ask.Lets presume I want to backup my entire
system to another partition which I have mounted and called /mnt/ste.
I now cd into / and run the following command
tar cfpS - . | tar xvfpS - -C /mnt/ste.This should begin to copy / to
/mnt/ste.My question is what happens when the copying reaches /mnt/ste
which is in /mnt.Is a continuing copying loop setup or will everything
be OK?I have frequently used this tar command to copy /usr to another
partition with no problem but have hesitated to use it on my /
partition.
Any feedback gratefully accepted.
regards
Steve
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, stephen s fine wrote:
> I have a question to ask.Lets presume I want to backup my entire
> system to another partition which I have mounted and called /mnt/ste.
> I now cd into / and run the following command
> tar cfpS - . | tar xvfpS - -C /mnt/ste.This should begin to copy / to
> /mnt/ste.My question is what happens when the copying reaches /mnt/ste
> which is in /mnt.Is a continuing copying loop setup or will everything
> be OK?I have frequently used this tar command to copy /usr to another
> partition with no problem but have hesitated to use it on my /
> partition.
> Any feedback gratefully accepted.
>
Use tar's --exclude option. (read "tar --help")
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
> regards
> Steve
>
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, stephen s fine wrote:
> I have a question to ask.Lets presume I want to backup my entire
> system to another partition which I have mounted and called /mnt/ste.
> I now cd into / and run the following command
> tar cfpS - . | tar xvfpS - -C /mnt/ste.This should begin to copy / to
> /mnt/ste.My question is what happens when the copying reaches /mnt/ste
> which is in /mnt.Is a continuing copying loop setup or will everything
> be OK?I have frequently used this tar command to copy /usr to another
> partition with no problem but have hesitated to use it on my /
> partition.
> Any feedback gratefully accepted.
A couple of comments:
1. don't forget to exclude /proc , as it is not really a file system. The
same goes for /dev/pts (or the whole of /dev, when devfs will become the
standard)
2. consider excluding some other directories, such as /tmp, and ofcourse
/mnt/ste , as said in a previous answer
3. you use the v (verbose) option. This means that you won't be able to
easily spot error messages. Either don't use it, or redirect standard
output frm the second tar to a file, and follow it in another terminal:
tar c...| tar xv.. >/tmp/backup.log
and in another terminal:
tail -f /tmp/backup.log
BTW: for smaller jobs, there is 'cp -a'. Much simpler, and somewhat
faster.
BTW(2):what exactly does the '-p' option of tar preserve, beyond the
default?
Is it perserved with 'cp -a' ?
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here is one answer why tar is prefered-from the IGLU archives.I am
still working on the -p option
On Sun, 28 May 2000, Omer Mussaev wrote:
> > Any reason why not to use cp -a that I'm not aware of?
>
> first: using tar is POSIX compliant, thus you can use tar method on
> any POSIX(applications) compliant machine.
> second: this is the Unix way.
Let me add my own reason for why I like the tar|tar trick better: it's
standard. No, not in UNIX: in programmer think. You know what the
standard
way is to copy objects in Java? Why, serialize/deserialize. You know
what
the standard way is to copy objects in Python? Why, pickle/unpickle.
The *correct* way to copy in a pointer-isomorphic way, is by a
serialize/deserialize mechanism. But that's *exactly* the meaning of
tar.
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On Sun, 28 May 2000, Alex Shnitman wrote:
> > tar cspBf - . | (cd /mnt; tar xvvspBf -)
>
> Any reason why not to use cp -a that I'm not aware of?
in theory you have one process writing and one reading, so in an SMP
machine, copying between two different partitions on two different
drives on two different controllers, you could have a HUGE speed
gain! :-)))
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-p when `tar' is extracting an archive,it normally subtracts the
users umask from the permissions specified in the archive and uses
that number as the permissions to create the destination
file.Specifying this option instructs `tar' that it should use
permissions directly from the archive.
Beside the above I remember reading somewhere that cp -a is fine for
small directories but not for really large ones.I hope some of this
will be of help.The info on -p I took from the tar manual in info
from the options section.
regards
Steve
stephen s fine wrote:
>
> On Sun, 28 May 2000, Alex Shnitman wrote:
>
> > > tar cspBf - . | (cd /mnt; tar xvvspBf -)
> >
> > Any reason why not to use cp -a that I'm not aware of?
>
> in theory you have one process writing and one reading, so in an SMP
> machine, copying between two different partitions on two different
> drives on two different controllers, you could have a HUGE speed
> gain! :-)))
>
A few useful remarks, IMO:
1. When taring special files like /dev files, dont forget to use the "p" option
to tar. Not doing so will result in a /dev directory with many, too many,
useless files and countless problems on your machine, from unusable printer to
non-existing mouse devices - all in one big surprise!... (more info on tar's
manual page).
2. Not using the "--exclude" option of tar (or it's similar variants, AFAIK) can
result, like it resulted to me, in copying a nice file of the kernel image or
something, under the /proc dir'. This file was a few hundreds megabyte big... So
it is indeed preferred not to cause yourself such embarrassments, when you need
that server up, ASAP... :-) (even if your talking about a small home
machine...).
3. There is another reason to use this sort of method to copy FS (tar vf - ... |
tar vf - ...):
The educational benefit. This is a common method of doing things on Unix.
Running one command and pouring it's output to a different command's standard
input via a pipeline, on the fly. One thing possible doing like that is to dump
complete disk on other empty disk. I cant recall the exact details but I
remember once I had to copy a SCSI disk and for some reason the only avail'
option was "dump -f - ...| restore -f - ..." . Learning and using it once
pushes into one's head that method of performing tasks on Unix.
Boaz.
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