Sarah, You might be right about that. It's not clear to me from the email either.  At any case, any harvest of animals or plants for any purposes should...
 And all animals should be killed humanely and as quick as possible. For larger fishes, anesthetics / sedatives maybe used to reduce pain and struggling.  ...
Hello Sarah, Forgive me, I also assumed that the person asking for identifications was a scientist of some sort. But having said that, the point that people...
Hi all, I think I may contribute to this trend. When I made my first large field collection, in North Sulawesi (still analysing data...) I killed many fishes. ...
Gianluca, Your message was very interesting. Your decision to switch from using cold to kill small fishes to using clove oil is mirrored by my own practises. ...
Thank you Gianluca and Neale for very good posts.  Neale,  I've had the same experience with microbiology. Nowadays the young scientists know everything...
Dennis, Glad I'm not the only one! I fear science funding encourages this sort of thing. By focusing on 2-3 year projects, and by expecting young scientists to...
I do agree. Molecular biology is a useful tool to get insight into biological mechanisms and processes. Nonetheless, neither answers nor questions can be ...
Balkrishna - these are two blennies, Omobranchus probably O. punctatus at a guess. Am nowhere near my references (travelling). <')////==< Dr Helen K. Larson ...
these ones are gobies - a Parachaeturichthys polynema (black spot on tail fin) and two pics of an Oxyurichthys, possibly O. ophthalnema, can't tell from photo....
Helen, True: fin clips per se cannot always tell us what species is the fish. Specifically, they can't tell whether the fin clip is of a species which was only...
Oh, God. I have received more than ten emails (messages) for this (and the previous) topic!? Can we stop arguing to kill or not to kill!? As all of us know,...
I wrote: "And certainly I am not talking of type specimens, whose usefulness is apparent". I was talking of taxonomic ID for ethological/ecological studies:...
Hello Tony, I couldn't disagree more strongly. For one thing, this mailing list often seems nothing more than a succession of photos from collectors who want...
Hi, Monks and Polgar, Thanks for your explanation. I think the point I don't really know is that this forum would contain a large amount of (or some) non-fish...
Hi Tony, Â In regard to your original post, I'm unsure as to whether you've actually been reading all the messages, as there has actually been very little...
Hi, Sarah, I am also glad that you begin to understand the ethics behind, and give us a chance to communicate on this topic. To be honest, in our team, killing...
Hi Sarah and How, I meant I anesthetized them to spare their life. That was the plan... and it worked. No problem for the small size: it's only a matter of...
Hi Tony, there is a mailing lists exclusively dedicated to goby specialists (gobiidae@yahoogroups.com). For some reasons, this one is mixed and much more...
Hello Tony, Good to hear there's a consensus here. Makes this sort of discussion more pleasant. Forgive me for using the phrase "liberal democracy" in a way...
Hi, Gianluca and Neale, I am also happy to discuss with all you people. That's why I am still here. Thanks Gianluca for the new mail list and I will try. Tony...
With all this talk about to kill or not to kill I think that folks need to step back a little bit and consider the broader picture. Many folks here are...
Hello Peter, I agree 100% with what you're saying here. However, to play devil's advocate for a moment. One issue is that fishermen are catching fish to eat;...
G'day Neale ... I see your point, but I don't fully agree. Clearly though public education and appreciation are important points. Fisherman will often toss...
hello I am away from my office and country (am using Brazilian keyboard) and reading emails intermittently. Have just had a fascinated read-through of the most...
Hello Helen, It was I who said that "taxonomy has moved on". And I agree with you, yes, that's from the perspective of the money. My PhD and post-doc were in...
There is a long way to public understanding of the meaning and utility of the biodiversity thinking. But if this is true and therefore worthwhile, we should...
Hi fellow members! I've very much enjoyed following this conversation. It's good to know that everyone has these ethical questions in mind while they persue...
Very cool videos! Thanks for sharing. A general question: did gobies evolve their sucker-like pelvic fins in the sea or in freshwater? Does the fossil or...
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