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Independents,
Yama, I don't believe an unpaid invoice can be deducted as a business loss.
Only legal expenses to sue for payment.
It's a crazy LA, Ca. flake story based on the Mgr's arrogance that the other consultant ( her favorite with the Easy Button) could handle the load. She ran out of budget and decided to cut me loose and use Mr. Easy Button. So, when things went south, I was the "scapegoat" in absentia.
She pulled the same tactic against some Microsoft Consultants too and got away with it ( not paying the bill ).
Of course, when you have a non-tech savvy group running the show there are always a lot of surprises (spec changes) and you need someone to quickly "glue" it all together.
I had to put up with ...
Why is it taking so long ... is it really that complicated ?.
( translation: I didn't budget for this .. )
It wasn't a matter of milestones on the Side Project. I was paid by the Bus Group for the side project out of their budget appropriately 1/2 at midway and 1/2 at the end.
It was the Hilton's mgr decision to not pay me bill and use the money to continue paying Mr. Easy.
So, when a "Manager" doesn't understand the business requirements and the complexity of the development and the talent level of people working for her and running out of budget then you are really in for it ...
Paul
On 3/22/06, Yama Kamyar <yama@...> wrote:
Actually I do NOT believe in lawsuits in any form. I think us consultants should rely on our tax deductions. Of course a proof for the deduction will help; henceforth, your lawsuit was an excellent proof for a tax deduction. Excellent decision.Yama Kamyar
From: going_independent@yahoogroups.com [mailto: going_independent@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sahil Malik
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:11 PMSubject: Re: [SPAM-MED] Re: [going_independent] I didn't get paid
Is this in the Washington DC area?
I have a suggestion - use your spare time to create a website -
www.igotscrewed.com .
Over there folks like us can anonymously talk about companies we got
mistreated in. I think that would be kinda cool.
SM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yama Kamyar" < yama@...>
To: < going_independent@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: [SPAM-MED] Re: [going_independent] I didn't get paid
> That is unblievable... Poor work??? After 1.5 years??? They should
> consider
> the worst in the future for they used poor and poor is what they will get
> in
> the end without you. Trust me in my career as a consultant I have seen
> many
> unexpeirenced manager make poor decisions and I'd bet you anything your
> Hilton managers were nothing but very poor decision makers.
>
> Yama Kamyar
>
> _____
>
> From: going_independent@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:going_independent@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Chase
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:14 PM
> To: going_independent@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [SPAM-MED] Re: [going_independent] I didn't get paid
>
>
> I'm so sorry you are going through this.
>
> In the future do you have the flexibility to work off of milestone
> payments
> instead of by hourly rate? This works out well for me and seems to weed
> out
> the flakes. What you do is divide the project up into milestones where
> each
> milestone has deliverables. Milestones of course have start dates and
> completion dates associated with them, but the best part is the milestone
> fee. You can ask for that up front. Usually the first milestone payment is
> low, but it gets you paid for doing things like a design spec, database
> schema, and PDF or images of the pages/forms you are going to create.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> _____
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> From: going_independent@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:going_independent@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul G. Chu
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:49 PM
> To: going_independent@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [SPAM-MED] Re: [going_independent] I didn't get paid
>
>
> Yeah,
>
> The worst part of this is that the Liability Ins is NOT protecting me and
> the emotional cost.
>
> You have to put specific wording in the contract about written
> notification
> about unsatisfactory work and give a time frame to cure it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 3/22/06, Michael Maddox < Michael.P.Maddox@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, interesting story, thanks for sharing.
>
> I've come close to not getting paid a couple of times, but in the end
> I've always been paid.
>
> Good luck!
>
> -Michael Maddox
> http://www.capprime.com <http://www.capprime.com/>
>
>
> On 3/21/06, getsmartpaul86 < paulchu7@...
> <mailto: paulchu7@...>
>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Things have been quiet here ... It must mean everyone is busy.
>>
>> I thought I would tell my story as it is pertinent to those of us
>> who write code for a living as consultants to major corporations.
>>
>> I worked for Hilton Hotels for 1 1/2 years as an hourly contractor
>> (direct) as a website developer. I also did a small side project for
>> the Financial Rpt dept.
>> At the end, they found another contractor they liked better and
>> decided to keep him and let me go.
>> Trouble is, I was never paid for my last 2 invoices.
>> After 5 months , I send a demand letter and get back a Hilton
>> response that my work was poor and that they hired another outside
>> consultant to fix it. Thus, they said they were not paying ( 25%
>> settlement offer ) my invoices to offset poor work on the side
>> project.
>>
>> There was never any mention of poor work etc etc etc and everything
>> was working when I left.
>>
>> My contract was hourly. The side project was fixed price.
>> My personal integrity does not allow me to let this bully get away
>> with this.
>>
>> So, the case finally went to court now almost 2.5 yrs later.
>>
>> Anyway, my Prof Liability Insurer said originally that the coverage
>> did NOT cover unpaid invoices.
>>
>> But, now that Hilton is trying to use Poor Development Work as the
>> reason, I believe this would now fall in the Errors and Omissions
>> category ( although this too is bogus).
>>
>> So, we had our trial finally ( just 2 hrs ) cut short by Court
>> scheduling.
>> We now have to do our final closing statements via email believe it
>> or not. So, I don't know what the outcome is.
>>
>> I "hope" my insurer will have a change of heart and cover me if
>> somehow I lose this case.
>>
>> Paul
>>
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