... and ... Procopius ... is ... #### Hi Dirk. You might be right. That indicates that the number could have been more than 200 as well as possibly less than...
In answer to the question how you say, for example, "the lair of the wolf" etc: Assuming it reasonable to use Gothic ligrs for English lair, we might expect sa...
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... This, however does not square with them being abused and chased away by Gepids, after facing famine in Rugiland. The number of 4,500 is not supported by...
... I ... Hi Einar, I strongly recommend you read the recent book by Walter Pohl, called 'Die Voelkerwanderung', and his monograph-type publication about...
Hi Einar and Dirk I do not intend to join your discussion, but please read the translated Procopius before you discuss – both of you: "For this reason the...
... *****GK: The famine has nothing to do with numbers, and you seem to forget that there was no famine in the area next to the Gepides. If your "army" is more...
... Hi Troels, rest assure, I read the passage many times;-) ... they ... place. ... barren ... place ... from ... them. ... region" ... them, ... but ... with...
... I think we can interpret and speculate a lot about the 'what ifs and what if nots'. Based on Procopius' report, I think 4,500 Herulic warriors would have...
Just a few comments on the side since some of this material pertains to issues that I raised before. ... Maybe the Varnians did not want ... *****GK: More...
... *****GK: It is more reasonable to assume that the "rapes" etc. were isolated incidents involving relatively few victims, and that the choice was then taken...
(To Dirk) The part of your message dealing with the "mass slaughter" of Burgundians by the Huns in 437 was truncated in reply. But it's worth a brief comment ...
... This is worth a thought. Our other source of this battle, Paulus Diaconis, who knew Procopius' version or his source, told another story about the...
... From: Larry Carpenter To: gothic-l Moderator <gothic-l-owner@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, January 02, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Welcome to gothic-l ...
... have joined. As my e-mail address indicates . . . I'm half Goth. In fact I have double cousins that way. My father's sister married my mother's brother....
... George, we have absolutely no evidence that their where Eruli of Varinain origin or that the Varnians accepted any Eruli. I don't know where you got that...
... We know that most of the Burgundians (army and civilians) were killed by the Huns. While sources stating that the Burgundians figured over 200,000 people...
... *****GK: One shouldn't make too much of the non-Germanic names however. Note the following in Jordanes(GETICA IX): "nemo qui nesciat animadvertat usu...
... of ... George, we have absolutely no evidence that their where Eruli of Varinain origin or that the Varnians accepted any Eruli. I don't know where you got...
... The problem is that we have no knowledge of their ethnic composition, but our best guess must be that they contained non-Germanic steppe nomads (perhaps...
... hundreds ... heterogeneous ... the ... Danubian ... families ... The problem is that we have no knowledge of their ethnic composition, but our best guess...
... I am not sure this point is so good. First of all no other people would join the weak people Dirk describes as you also indicate, and secondly Procopius...
... of all no ... *****GK: Your counter point is good if Dirk has not in fact changed his mind about the insignificance of the Illyrian Eruli. In any case one...
... That is of course true. However, no other Germanic royal dynasty of that period resorted to foreign names (including Persian and Roman names) as the...
... Troels, we simply lack any basis for these kinds of interpretations. Procopius' characterisations are one thing, his army strenght are another. We have...
... *****GK: There is a difference between "ethnic connection" (either traditional name-giving patterns or the result of current marriage contacts) and "ethnic...
... While Procopius described the people escaping at last to the Romans as perplexed loosers (here I agree with Dirk execpt about the numbers), he described...
... ******GK: A comment in passing. The "joiners" would have been very few indeed, since otherwise this would have precipitated a social crisis. So in a very...
... George, this is a completely empty argument it seems to me. Just because you assume that this would cause a 'social crisis' you reject the possibility of...
... royal ... least ... is ... satisfied ... of ... societies ... at ... been ... Not really, firstly we cannot make a case that dissatisfied Thurgingians,...
... Romans ... groups ... the ... happened ... above. ... Eastern ... pagan ... It is always interesting to analyze the motives of a writer - and it is a part...
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