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9945 Valulfr Vaerulsson
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Feb 2, 2008
8:52 pm
Hails alls, Though I am 'new' here at this time, it wasn't always so. This is Valulfr, and I have returned to enjoy to dialog here once again. I have a...
9946 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 3, 2008
5:09 am
... I think he just took the word already existent and changed its meaning. Adding the suffix –sl was not his way of forming new words afaik. It is generally...
9947 Georges Depeyrot
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Feb 3, 2008
12:56 pm
Dear colleagues, The website Moneta (Moneta bvba <http://www.cultura-net.com/moneta>) is updated with a new group of books in press. - Les monnaies et les...
9948 Valulfr_Vaerulsson@...
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Feb 3, 2008
3:29 pm
Hails Ualarauans, Thanks for clearing that up, I think I picked up the association from Grimm. After looking into this further I found this from the...
9949 llama_nom Offline Send Email Feb 3, 2008
9:47 pm
Hails, Walawulf! I can't see what direct etymological connection there could be between ON 'skyrsi' and Go. 'skohsl'. If there is any kinship, perhaps it's ...
9950 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 3, 2008
11:03 pm
... Interestingly, Slav. kusiti "to bite" comes from Go. kausjan "to test"....
9951 Sir Rutgur
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Feb 4, 2008
11:48 pm
Did the Goths have particular word their Warrior Class? .for the Leadership for their Warrior Class? I'm wondering if they had a functionally equivalent word...
9952 Ingemar Nordgren
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Feb 5, 2008
12:14 am
Hi Rutgur, An employed fighter/warrior (cf. German 'Knecht', Sw. 'knekt') is called 'skalks'. This, however, is in a household and if it has a bearing for...
9953 Valulfr_Vaerulsson@...
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Feb 5, 2008
12:34 am
Hail Rutgur and Ingemar, There is also the 'drauhtin' or 'war-lord'. I'm not sure what exactly the function was on the battle field, but I do that the word...
9954 Justïn
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Feb 5, 2008
2:39 am
Is there any way we would reconstruct the term "knight" or is that just too chronologically irresponsible?...
9955 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 5, 2008
3:45 am
Skalks is actually a slave (most often = Gr. DOULOS, also OIKETHS "domestic servant", PAIDARION "slave child"). Cf. also ga- skalki SUNDOULOS "Mitknecht" –...
9956 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 5, 2008
3:48 am
... exactly the ... into Old ... lord, and ... It didn't "come down", strictly spoken. It was inherited both by ON and Gothic from PGrm. The Gothic form...
9957 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 5, 2008
3:50 am
... just ... Exactly my point, Justïn. There were no knights yet in Gothic times. Ualarauans...
9958 Valulfr_Vaerulsson@...
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Feb 5, 2008
4:12 am
Hail Ualarauans Jah, that's what I meant, should have been more clear on that, thanks. Walawulf ... This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/...
9959 Justïn
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Feb 5, 2008
7:53 pm
So, where does Knight and Knecht come from? Can you trace those sources and backwords construct it using Proto-Germanic and predicting what the change would...
9960 llama_nom Offline Send Email Feb 6, 2008
12:10 am
The West Germanic forms point to Proto-Germanic *knehtaz, which would give Gothic *knaíhts. Icelandic uses a different word, 'riddari', a loan from North...
9961 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 6, 2008
4:15 am
Some thoughts on Gothic knights. In most European languages (all except English afaik) "knight" is "horseman", literally. Although the Goths didn't have...
9962 Justïn
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Feb 6, 2008
6:12 am
That was an awesome answer Lama, I actually have an obnoxious question the likes of which you would expect from an amateur Gothic enthusiast who's only had one...
9963 Justïn
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Feb 6, 2008
6:20 am
I definitely see the need for the semantic difference, but is there a reason I should prefer kaballareis over knaíhts? My first preference would be knaíhts...
9964 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 6, 2008
7:11 am
... there a ... Well, that's a matter of personal taste. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't use *knaihts because: 1. Its "real world" cognates are not attested...
9965 Ingemar Nordgren
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Feb 6, 2008
10:22 am
Hi, I must remark that knight is not the word used in Northgermanic. Except of Iceland also all the other Scandinavian countries use the word 'riddare'(Sw.)...
9966 llama_nom Offline Send Email Feb 6, 2008
7:27 pm
Another possibility would be to invent a Gothic *aihva-raida-manna to match Old English 'éoredmann'. I'm thinking of Tom Shippey's comments in The Road to...
9967 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 6, 2008
8:03 pm
... idiom. ... Never trust your eyes! I was just told by people competent in this stuff that Oss. baræg IS inherited. Namely it comes from *bâraka-, common...
9968 llama_nom Offline Send Email Feb 6, 2008
8:18 pm
... There are plenty of uncertainties in Proto-Germanic vocabulary! Generally speaking, the sound change rules are regular, but language being a human thing,...
9969 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 6, 2008
9:48 pm
Excellent, Llama! Can we save it as a FAQ, somehow? ... question ... enthusiast ... words. If ... Gothic ... blood ... Gothic ... where can I ... in and ... ...
9970 Justïn
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Feb 6, 2008
10:20 pm
Okay, I'm very excited about trying this out, but bear in mind I have NEVER reconstructed before and will likely embarrass myself. Could you give me a word to...
9971 Michael Erwin
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Feb 6, 2008
11:32 pm
I suppose western Goths - in Spain, Aquitaine or Italy - going into the High Middle Ages might use the terms interchangibly - but eastern Goths - in the...
9972 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 7, 2008
4:44 am
... From what I see in Köbler I can't determine whether it was *aihvaraida F.-o or *aihva-raiþ N.-a or maybe something else? A good illustration of what you...
9973 ualarauans Offline Send Email Feb 7, 2008
12:30 pm
... Not after 375, I guess. ... Why not *katafraktus? Or *kleibanareis (cf. "cataphracti equites quos clibanarios dictitant" in Ammianus Marcellinus)?...
9974 Michael Erwin
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Feb 7, 2008
3:09 pm
... Because the *Notitia* most often refers to equites catafractarii, and sometimes clibanarii, but not catafracti/catafractorum. I would either use -s or -us...
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