I have a few shoots that don't have any clusters on them .I was wondering if I
should keep them and see what they do next year or should I cut them back .I
spurr prun.

Kevin

Dear Group,

Keg Springs Winery has 2 presses for sale.

The yellow is a 3 phase, 1 ton vaslin screw press with juice trey and pumis
removal trey. $1000

The red stainless steel vertical blader press. $2000

For more info and more pics call or e-mail Brian or Gerald at 931-285-0589.


Keg Springs Winery is located in middle TN.  If you are interested in either of
these presses you can call them or e-mail them at wine@... .  Or let
me know and I'll get a hold of them.

Joey
Grinder's Switch Winery
www.gswinery.com


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From: Dellefave, Dawn [mailto:Dawn.Dellefave@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: 2009-2010 Grape/Vitis Catalog

Hello,

I am pleased to inform you that your 2009-2010 Vitis catalog from the USDA,
ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit has just arrived. Attached to this message
you should find an Adobe Acrobat .PDF file containing a searchable version
of the catalog. Using the Adobe Acrobat Reader program you can view, search,
and print any of all of the pages. Also found in the catalog are ordering
instructions, and the germplasm request form which you can fill out, and
return to us by mail or fax. Please note the changes in our ordering
procedures found in the opening cover letter.

If for some reason you have trouble receiving the attached file, the catalog
will soon be available on our web site at the following URL:

http://ars.usda.gov/naa/geneva/pgru

If you are unable to obtain and use the electronic format, please feel free
to get in touch with me so I can send you a hard copy of the catalog by
mail.
Regards,

Dawn Dellefave
Germplasm Program Assistant
USDA/ARS PGRU
630 West North St.
Geneva, N.Y. 14456
Voice Mail:  315-787-2292
Fax:  315-797-2339
Email:  dawn.dellefave@...


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Dan,

Would love to see the catalog. Can you forward the pdf to the list or me
privately? It's not on their website...

Steve Snyder
Hollywood Hill Vineyards




________________________________
From: Dan Strickland <strickd@...>
To: highcountrywinegrowers@yahoogroups.com
Cc: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:02:35 AM
Subject: [grapesrus] 2009-2010 Grape/Vitis Catalog


From: Dellefave, Dawn [mailto:Dawn.Dellefave@ ARS.USDA. GOV]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:26 PM
Subject: 2009-2010 Grape/Vitis Catalog

Hello,

I am pleased to inform you that your 2009-2010 Vitis catalog from the USDA,
ARS Plant Genetic Resources Unit has just arrived. Attached to this message
you should find an Adobe Acrobat .PDF file containing a searchable version
of the catalog. Using the Adobe Acrobat Reader program you can view, search,
and print any of all of the pages. Also found in the catalog are ordering
instructions, and the germplasm request form which you can fill out, and
return to us by mail or fax. Please note the changes in our ordering
procedures found in the opening cover letter.

If for some reason you have trouble receiving the attached file, the catalog
will soon be available on our web site at the following URL:

http://ars.usda. gov/naa/geneva/ pgru

If you are unable to obtain and use the electronic format, please feel free
to get in touch with me so I can send you a hard copy of the catalog by
mail.
Regards,

Dawn Dellefave
Germplasm Program Assistant
USDA/ARS PGRU
630 West North St.
Geneva, N.Y. 14456
Voice Mail:  315-787-2292
Fax:  315-797-2339
Email: dawn.dellefave@ ars.usda. gov

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Steve,
You can request a copy be sent to you.
Lon just got one sent to him.

It will be posted to their site soon, hopefully.

Dan

________________________________

From: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Snyder
Subject: Re: [grapesrus] 2009-2010 Grape/Vitis Catalog

Dan,
Would love to see the catalog. Can you forward the pdf to the list or me
privately? It's not on their website...
Steve Snyder
Hollywood Hill Vineyards

Anyone in need of grapes near Michigan can contact me off list.  I have quite a
bit of chardonnay and some riesling.  Starting varaision by labor day, ready by
mid oct. I need it picked and hauled for fair market price. Thank you.
victoriacreek@...

After some discussions with an Italian friend and my attempt at strawberry wine,
I was surprised to find that the Italian wine Fragolino was actually the grape
Isabella.
This would explain a broke up conversation I had in Italy with a bar owner. He
spoke no english but proudly offered his finest, what I discounted as a
strawberry wine, but must have been Fragolino.
I have really got to practice my Italian!!

With this new knowledge I am curious to try growing some Isabella.  Are there
any sources for this that are true to the original "strawberry" grape?  What
zone can they be grown in?  Are there other issues about growing it?
Thanks,
Scott

Fragolino is indeed Isabella, which is also grown in Austria, where it is
called Uhudler. Although the European Union tried to eliminate these old
American grapes, grown since the 1870s right after the phylloxera crisis,
local traditions resisted the Œgrape policeı--as they have in France as
well--and there now are exceptions to the law which allow the cultivation,
wine production and limited sales of these types of wines.

Iıve grown and made Isabella wine. The grape is bullet-proof (which explains
its success in Europe!) and the vine is beautiful. I donıt know of any
source for rooted vines, but it roots easily from cuttings. You can get
cuttings from the USDA grape repository in Geneva.

g


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Hereıs the URL for the catalogue at Geneva:

http://ars.usda.gov/naa/geneva/pgru

They indeed have Isabella.

g


On 9/5/09 12:37 PM, "George Gale" <GaleG@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Fragolino is indeed Isabella, which is also grown in Austria, where it is
> called Uhudler. Although the European Union tried to eliminate these old
> American grapes, grown since the 1870s right after the phylloxera crisis,
> local traditions resisted the Œgrape policeı--as they have in France as
> well--and there now are exceptions to the law which allow the cultivation,
> wine production and limited sales of these types of wines.
>
> Iıve grown and made Isabella wine. The grape is bullet-proof (which explains
> its success in Europe!) and the vine is beautiful. I donıt know of any
> source for rooted vines, but it roots easily from cuttings. You can get
> cuttings from the USDA grape repository in Geneva.
>
> g
>
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>
>
>
>
>




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Hey george, is Isabella bullet proof against PD?

Joe
BLV..




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> Havenıt a clue Joe. Itıs vinifera x labrusca, IIRC, so wouldnıt expect so.
>
> g



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Double-A has stock called Isabella.  Does anyone know if it is the same variety.
Has anyone made wine with their variety?

--- In grapesrus@yahoogroups.com, George Gale <GaleG@...> wrote:
>
> > Havenıt a clue Joe. Itıs vinifera x labrusca, IIRC, so wouldnıt expect so.
> >
> > g
>
>
>
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>

> Iıve made wine from Isabella. Itıs most definitely labrusca in character, but
> itıs not raw and unpleasant like Concord. No question that a pleasant,
> easily-marketed wine can be made from Isabella. Donıt know if Double-Aıs
> Isabella is the original, but Iıd suspect so.
>
> g



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Does anyone use Elevate with a small backpack sprayer?  Curious how much to add
to a three-gallon tank.

Thanks in advance,
Eric
www.CalabooseCellars.com

The 2009 Cellarmasters 36th Annual US Amateur Winemaking Competition will be
held on November 15, 2009.

Entries must be received between 10/1/2009 and 10/31/2009 at the Home Beer, Wine
and Cheesemaking Shop in Woodland Hills, CA. (www.homebeerwinecheese.com)

Entry forms and rules are posted on our website at:
http://www.cellarmastersla.org/WineCompetitionentryform-35th.pdf
(Use last year's 2008 forms if the 2009 forms have not yet been uploaded to the
site.)

Cellarmasters has been running this competition since the club was founded 36
years ago.

The competition is an all-volunteer endeavor on our part and it's one of, if not
the, oldest home wine competitions in the US.

Thank you for your time.

Good luck to all!
Andy

Howdy,

I am about to start my first batches of wine.  I have the following varieties
available to me - and some from multiple sources:

Chambourcin
Norton
Foch
Frontenac

Traminette
Villard Blanc

Would anyone care to comment on the scale of optimum-to-acceptable chemistry of
any of these varieties or, if necessary,  direct me to another forum where such
a discussion would be appropriate?

Thanks!

Where do you live, this information would be helpful?

Mike





-----Original Message-----
From: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of piasagrapes
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:02 PM
To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [grapesrus] first timer





Howdy,

I am about to start my first batches of wine. I have the following varieties
available to me - and some from multiple sources:

Chambourcin
Norton
Foch
Frontenac

Traminette
Villard Blanc

Would anyone care to comment on the scale of optimum-to-acceptable chemistry
of any of these varieties or, if necessary, direct me to another forum where
such a discussion would be appropriate?

Thanks!





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You want to join the enologists group.

http://tinyurl.com/l95qld

Looks like you live in MO or AR or southern IL! :)

g


On 10/1/09 8:42 AM, "Mike" <scn@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Where do you live, this information would be helpful?
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com <mailto:grapesrus%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com <mailto:grapesrus%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> Of piasagrapes
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:02 PM
> To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com <mailto:grapesrus%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [grapesrus] first timer
>
> Howdy,
>
> I am about to start my first batches of wine. I have the following varieties
> available to me - and some from multiple sources:
>
> Chambourcin
> Norton
> Foch
> Frontenac
>
> Traminette
> Villard Blanc
>
> Would anyone care to comment on the scale of optimum-to-acceptable chemistry
> of any of these varieties or, if necessary, direct me to another forum where
> such a discussion would be appropriate?
>
> Thanks!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>



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FOR SALE - SINGLE PHASE 3HP DESTEMMER

I bought this from a nearby winery a couple years ago and no longer need it. 
It's a destemmer only, no crusher (even though it says "CRUSHER" on the side.)
Runs good.  Don't know the tons/hr rating but probably in the 3-6 ton
range...maybe more.

Painted steel.
Overall length = 56"
Height = 43"
Hopper = 41" X 23"
Single phase motor
115/208-230 V
20/14.5 A
60hz
3hp

Price = $500

Pick up at Grinder's Switch Winery (about 1 hr west of Nashville.)

Call if interested: 931-729-3690

Joey
Grinder's Switch Winery
www.gswinery.com



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I'm in need of about a dozen Norton vines for spring planting....it appears that
herbicide drift has damaged many of my vines.  Does anyone have any available or
can you point me in the right direction?
Thanks for the help,
Brian

If you can use own-rooted vines then Double A
(http://www.rakgrape.com/abc_vines.php?get=C
<http://www.rakgrape.com/abc_vines.php?get=C&stnum=20&av> &stnum=20&av=) has
them.

Carl

   _____

From: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of brianboru11
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 6:55 AM
To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [grapesrus] Norton vines for sale?




I'm in need of about a dozen Norton vines for spring planting....it appears
that herbicide drift has damaged many of my vines. Does anyone have any
available or can you point me in the right direction?
Thanks for the help,
Brian





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I know there have been some discussions about cider and growing apples here
before, so I thought Iıd add a bit of information that, with the help of
Peter Cousins at Geneva, I recovered in my old, feeble brain.

Growing cider apples is easy, making cider is even easier. The best place to
get cider apple trees is

http://www.cumminsnursery.com/

started by Jim Cummins, formerly an apple rootstock breeder at Geneva. These
people *really* know what theyıre doing, theyıre wonderful to deal with, and
they have the best catalogue of varieties in the country, so far as I know.
Give it a thought.

g


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The entries are piling in, keep 'em coming and good luck!

Andy

--- In grapesrus@yahoogroups.com, "acorad2003" <acorad@...> wrote:
>
> The 2009 Cellarmasters 36th Annual US Amateur Winemaking Competition will be
held on November 15, 2009.
>
> Entries must be received between 10/1/2009 and 10/31/2009 at the Home Beer,
Wine and Cheesemaking Shop in Woodland Hills, CA. (www.homebeerwinecheese.com)
>
> Entry forms and rules are posted on our website at:
http://www.cellarmastersla.org/WineCompetitionentryform-35th.pdf
> (Use last year's 2008 forms if the 2009 forms have not yet been uploaded to
the site.)
>
> Cellarmasters has been running this competition since the club was founded 36
years ago.
>
> The competition is an all-volunteer endeavor on our part and it's one of, if
not the, oldest home wine competitions in the US.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Good luck to all!
> Andy
>

Hey Dan,

Sorry, but you completely misunderstood my (now historic - lol) set of
questions.

I was looking for background info so I could offer you guys help/advice.

I've been a winegrower & winemaker on Long Island (NY) since the mid 80's.

Cheers!


--- In grapesrus@yahoogroups.com, "Dan Strickland" <strickd@...> wrote:
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: yquem50@... [mailto:yquem50@...]
> > JUST JOINED,MANY Q'S
>
> If I may be blunt, yquem, this list is more suited to intermediate or
> advanced growers.
>
> The questions you ask might be more readily addressed in the "growgrapes"
> group, which is more suited for beginners.
>
> Join that group at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/growgrapes
>
>
> Dan
>

Never sprayed Elevate with a backpack & I'm sure I'm too late to help, but  >>>

a half oz/3 gal would be ~ 1#/100 gal @ a rate of 100 gal/acre.

How much acreage are you (did you) try to cover?  At my above #'s, at the 100
gal/acre rate, your 3 gal backpack should do about 150' of row (this is
calculated on 9' rows).


--- In grapesrus@yahoogroups.com, "andrewsncwine" <eric@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone use Elevate with a small backpack sprayer?  Curious how much to
add to a three-gallon tank.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Eric
> www.CalabooseCellars.com
>

Has anyone effectively fought Japanese Beetles and their Grubs by using
Milky Spore Bacteria spray.
Please advise,
God Bless,
Martin


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Due to popular demand the deadline's been pushed back 1 week to 11/7/2009.

Good luck!

Andy

Does anyone see a problem with say prunning some vines to canes and then the
ones that got dis-combobulated this past year I would like to head prune them
until they establish better canes to lay on the wire. Some of the blanc vines
this year would do better prunning say to 8-10 spurs near the head of the vine.
Does anyone see a problem with this when it needs to be done? thanks

Joe
BLV..

300 L Water Press for Sale

For sale:

Water Press
Model BP300-S/S

Asking $4999.  Like new condition, very clean and well maintained.  Perfect for
a small winery, wine club or serious home winemaker.  This press was used for
two seasons before we out grew it. Stainless steel including lid and basin.
Nylon liner and Plastic cover included. The frame (which is painted steel) has 4
wheels for easy moving and also tilts for easy cleaning. Hoist for removing lid.
Basket is 36.5" H x 25.5" D. Overall dimensions are 41"x 43" x 85" H.

Capacity (lbs):
Whole grapes 450
Fresh destemmed grapes—Whites 1500
Fermented grapes—Reds 2100

I also have a new replacement blatter available for $499.

Blatter can be shipped but press will need to be picked up in Winslow,NJ.  Check
out this website for detailed information.
http://stpats.com/Presses.htm

Please contact me at larry@... if interested.

Larry Sharrott
www.sharrottwinery.com

--- In grapesrus@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <tjoneal.mail@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone see a problem with say prunning some vines to canes and
then the ones that got dis-combobulated this past year I would like to
head prune them until they establish better canes to lay on the wire.
Some of the blanc vines this year would do better prunning say to 8-10
spurs near the head of the vine. Does anyone see a problem with this
when it needs to be done? thanks
>
> Joe
> BLV..
>
This is the least intuitive forum I have been on! that said I will try
to comment on the pruning question. Two things(for the main part) have
to do with pruning. one, the shape and style of the vine, and the other,
how and where the fruit will be placed in the comming year. If you want
fruit spread out down the wire , then by all means,  lay the cane down
the wire and let the buds fall where they will.  If you want the fruit
to lie at the head of the main trunk, try the second choice.  I like the
middle of the road on small plantings. If you have a cane   that can be
strung along the wire and spread out the fruit, the do it! If the other
side of the vine is not so lucky, take the buds that you can and let
them bear fruit  and leave the last bud to extend the cordon for next
year.   Good luck on your planting,

bob