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From: guru@...

To: grapesrus@eGroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 2:58 PM

Subject: [grapesrus] Re: viticulture videos

Miss Baron, I forgot to add the only video link to that page which is: http://www.msue.msu.edu/learnnet/videolist.htm The videos refer to the online videos that a few webmasters and I are going to have online... The problem was that we didnt have a site that could host RealVideo, but this will be solved in the next 3 days or so....and then we will have online videos available at http://www.grapeseek.com and at http://www.grapechat.com Sorry for the inconvenience! I feel for you...as my mother and wife are both teachers... Sincerely, Michel White jane baron wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/grapesrus/?start=31 > Dear GG: I looked at your page promising a list of books and videos. I > didn't see any videos listed. Did I miss something? I am going to > substitute teach a horticulture class next week and would like to have a > visual aid. I can describe my vineyard and talk about a year in the > life of a vine, but I think the students would learn more with the help > of a video. Any suggestions? > > Thanks so much, > Jane Baron >

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Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 3:38 PM

Subject: [grapesrus] Please post your links at the digest

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Dear GG:  I looked at your page promising a list of books and videos.  I
didn't see any videos listed.  Did I miss something?   I am going to
substitute teach a horticulture class next week and would like to have a
visual aid.  I can describe my vineyard and talk about a year in the
life of a vine, but I think the students would learn more with the help
of a video.  Any suggestions?

Thanks so much,
Jane Baron

W Buist

It probably is related to your pruning ( or non pruning) as you suspect. You
just can't let the vine grow and get decent grapes. Somewhere you have to cut
canes or spurs back to two buds to encourage new young growth. The grapes
don't grow on second year growth, they grow on new canes or spurs from second
year and older growth. Get the Jeff Cox book as suggested.

Bob B

Hi,
I understand your dilema. I find that the book by Jeff Cox titled " Vines
into Wine " was a great help. It will answer your questions using everyday
language. ( there are a few minor mistakes). Also the books by Phillip Wagner
are even better!
Good luck
                               John

Dear sir.

I do not know the name of my vine, but the colour of the grapes are greish
green when ripe. I never get any fair amount of grapes at all and I blame
it to my way of pruning. I was told the fruit comes on the 2nd year wood,
but I must have failed to discern the proper type of wood as they do not
differ much in colour ans size.
Could you give me some advise?
                                      Yours    W. Buist

Hi Michel & List.
Scenario:
I'm a newbie from S.W. Oz.  Local climate is similar to San Diego (USA) and
Cape Town (S.Afr.) viz classic mediterranean.  Summer highs moderated by a
cooling s.w. breeze off the southern Indian Ocean.  (nice white beaches
too!!!)
I'm at a low 5.6 m above sea level [viz Aust. Height Datum =AHD] and
drainage is not the best viz saturated soils <5 days at a time, for >3
months in winter. Mounds and drains help, and a fall of 1:200 seems to shed
the worst of it.
Soils are brown earths/loam to clay and occassional deposits of leached
white sands. (I'm on the bend of a sluggish ancient river that has changed
course many times and there have been many depositional phases=various
layers upon layers.)
2.5 acres targeted for vine trial is primarily on brown earth/loam. pH is
average of 5.
Advice is use of Ramsey rootstock ex UCLA (Davis).  I guess I'll need to add
heaps of AgLime & dolomite to raise pH.
Also quite high iron levels in soils and artesian water supply; and
manganese in soil (I believe).
Conditions reminded me of the milieu in Prof. Bob Poole's "Grape Production
in New York" linked to one of your sites. {Tho climate obviously more like
Cal)
Has me wondering if a V.lambruscana rootstock variety with the resistance
features of Ramsey might be better for my soil types, particularly in view
of low pH.
Any ideas/contribution from self or others would be most appreciated.
I like to learn!
Regards from West Oz, where its getting warm (and we worry about the East
Timor tragedy), John Allen. <aviark@...>

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Michel,
     I suspect that it's just a matter of getting the kinks worked out, but
you sent this chat notification at 9:34 PM (EDT?) which was to be held: Time:
  2:00 pm - 2:30 pm!
     Regards,
         Fred Jackson

Will increasing the alkalinity of the soil reduce the acidity of the
grapes?
Keith Sibley, Sydney, Nova Scotia.

Michel:   Please in the future when identifying a chat time, be sure
to indicate what time zone.

Bob


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Bob
I dont know how many messages will remain, but
I accidently noticed that it said something about
5000 messages....but I think it must depend on
webspace....I guess we'll just have to see.
Michel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: bennett9@... [mailto:bennett9@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 5:01 PM
> To: grapesrus@egroups.com
> Subject:
>
>
> "michel white" <gur-@...> wrote:
> original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/grapesrus/?start=11
> Subject: [grapesrus] Re: info
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> &gt; John,
> &gt; This is not George's email address:
> &gt; I'm Michel White, the owner of
> &gt; grapeguru.com
> &gt; grapeseek.com
> &gt; grapepictures.com
> &gt; grapechat.com
> &gt; planetofthegrapes.com
> &gt; grapeauctions.com
> &gt;
> &gt; The grapechat site will soon be up and the last two
> &gt; are in reserve right now...
> &gt;
> Michel
> Thanks for the brief bio. Approximately how long will the message posts
> on egroups remain before they drop off?
>
> Bob
> &gt; I'm from Massachusetts originally, moved to NB, Canada
> &gt; and have been in the military since 1991 and am now
> &gt; permanently in Germany.
> &gt; GrapeGrowing has been my passion/hobby since I was a kid
> &gt; (about 20 years now) and I spend most of my time trying
> &gt; to improve the websites and help people with grape
> &gt; growing problems...I have a small tract of land in the
> &gt; Stuttgart area where I test many varieties and expect
> &gt; to purchase my own 5 acre vineyard here as soon as I
> &gt; find one available in one piece...
> &gt;
> &gt; George is from Maryland and is a friend and partner
> &gt; and has a website:
> &gt; http://www.erols.com/gmead
> &gt; and he consults more than I do and has more vines...
> &gt; We work together on GrapePictures.com and he will
> &gt; be working on PlanetOftheGrapes.com where we will
> &gt; have all the growing info for all of the varieties
> &gt; listed at http://www.grapepictures.com
> &gt;
> &gt; I hope that's a start...and George will be glad to
> &gt; hear from you at gmead@...
> &gt;
> &gt; Also, if you just post your list ideas to the list,
> &gt; ( grapesrus@egroups.com )
> &gt; instead of to me, then we'll all get to know each
> &gt; other better....
> &gt;
> &gt; Have a grape day!
> &gt; Michel
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
> &gt; &gt; From: Foristhall@... [mailto:Foristhall@...]
> &gt; &gt; Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:18 PM
> &gt; &gt; To: guru@...
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> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; Hi George,
> &gt; &gt; I would be interested in the background of you and your
> &gt; &gt; associates. It might
> &gt; &gt; make communication more meaningful and let us know what part of
> &gt; &gt; the country
> &gt; &gt; you are from.
> &gt; &gt; Also, please encourage the participants to identify
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> John,
> This is not George's email address:
> I'm Michel White, the owner of
> grapeguru.com
> grapeseek.com
> grapepictures.com
> grapechat.com
> planetofthegrapes.com
> grapeauctions.com
>
> The grapechat site will soon be up and the last two
> are in reserve right now...
>
Michel
Thanks for the brief bio. Approximately how long will the message posts
on egroups remain before they drop off?

Bob
> I'm from Massachusetts originally, moved to NB, Canada
> and have been in the military since 1991 and am now
> permanently in Germany.
> GrapeGrowing has been my passion/hobby since I was a kid
> (about 20 years now) and I spend most of my time trying
> to improve the websites and help people with grape
> growing problems...I have a small tract of land in the
> Stuttgart area where I test many varieties and expect
> to purchase my own 5 acre vineyard here as soon as I
> find one available in one piece...
>
> George is from Maryland and is a friend and partner
> and has a website:
> http://www.erols.com/gmead
> and he consults more than I do and has more vines...
> We work together on GrapePictures.com and he will
> be working on PlanetOftheGrapes.com where we will
> have all the growing info for all of the varieties
> listed at http://www.grapepictures.com
>
> I hope that's a start...and George will be glad to
> hear from you at gmead@...
>
> Also, if you just post your list ideas to the list,
> ( grapesrus@egroups.com )
> instead of to me, then we'll all get to know each
> other better....
>
> Have a grape day!
> Michel
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Foristhall@... [mailto:Foristhall@...]
> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:18 PM
> > To: guru@...
> > Subject: info
> >
> >
> > Hi George,
> > I would be interested in the background of you and your
> > associates. It might
> > make communication more meaningful and let us know what part of
> > the country
> > you are from.
> > Also, please encourage the participants to identify thier part of
> > the country.
> >                       John Hall
> >

I own and operate a dry land wheat ranch in north central oregon along
the banks of the columbia river, at the east end of the columbia river
gorge near the mouth of the john day river.The place where I have
chosen for my experiment is 1000 feet in elevation with deep soil (fine
sandy loam) at ph level 6.8 anually we recieve aroun 14-16 inches per
year. the vinyard will be planted next spring into this years crop
residue after spring tillage. I anticipate 12 ft between rows due to
the size of my equipment and to take advantage of moisure holding
capacity of our soil. intend to drip irrigate as necessary. I know
absolutely nothing about vinyards and am playing catch up this winter
any suggestions about my project are welcome. My plan is to try and
establish 2 or so acres then if succesful and also if we are successful
in finding buyers (i would prefer long term with a winery that could
also act as a consultant) we will drill another well and plant as many
acres as we can get water for.

John,
This is not George's email address:
I'm Michel White, the owner of
grapeguru.com
grapeseek.com
grapepictures.com
grapechat.com
planetofthegrapes.com
grapeauctions.com

The grapechat site will soon be up and the last two
are in reserve right now...

I'm from Massachusetts originally, moved to NB, Canada
and have been in the military since 1991 and am now
permanently in Germany.
GrapeGrowing has been my passion/hobby since I was a kid
(about 20 years now) and I spend most of my time trying
to improve the websites and help people with grape
growing problems...I have a small tract of land in the
Stuttgart area where I test many varieties and expect
to purchase my own 5 acre vineyard here as soon as I
find one available in one piece...

George is from Maryland and is a friend and partner
and has a website:
http://www.erols.com/gmead
and he consults more than I do and has more vines...
We work together on GrapePictures.com and he will
be working on PlanetOftheGrapes.com where we will
have all the growing info for all of the varieties
listed at http://www.grapepictures.com

I hope that's a start...and George will be glad to
hear from you at gmead@...

Also, if you just post your list ideas to the list,
( grapesrus@egroups.com )
instead of to me, then we'll all get to know each
other better....

Have a grape day!
Michel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foristhall@... [mailto:Foristhall@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 1999 2:18 PM
> To: guru@...
> Subject: info
>
>
> Hi George,
> I would be interested in the background of you and your
> associates. It might
> make communication more meaningful and let us know what part of
> the country
> you are from.
> Also, please encourage the participants to identify thier part of
> the country.
>                       John Hall
>

I am contemplating planting a couple of acreof grapes next spring as an
experiment to see how well they do and wheater or not I can make any
money. how far apart should my plants be?

I know that there is a trend among growers to switch over to Organic
growing methods.  If you are an Organic grower, what products are you
using with your Organic grapes?  Also, what did you have to go through
with your plants to qualify your plants as grapes that are Organically
grown?  What is done in your state to make certain that your cultural
practices are in line with Organic growing methods?

Best Regards,

Thomas Giannou
T&J Enterprises
2328 W. Providence Ave
Spokane, Wa  99205
509-327-7670