--- In grapesrus@y..., studioxz@y... wrote:
> I have always been under the assumption that one doesn't really
> want too fertile a soil for their wine grapes.  Is it possible that
the vineyard in question is for table grapes and different viticulture
  may apply?

*Sticking my neck out... Grapes are grapes.
Manure is good, and well rounded.  But compensdate by less N aded, IF,
you fertilize.  Other soil microorganisms will like the manure.  Just
don't overdo it.  Soil tilth is improved so very slowly, at amounts
YOU would add in a seemingly "already ok clay soil," that tilth will
not seem to improve at all I bet.

But MAYBE you will enable the clay soil to continue at its present
good health. :>)  (I like a cheap test kit... $15 for 10 ea tests of
N, P, K, & pH.  Test at various depths.)

Poor conditions; soil, rocks, winter's approach, is what encourages
many fruit bearing plants to bear.  Moderation in both richness and
poverty... balance in all things... :>)
BillSF9c

> I mulch regularly, but avoid fertilizers for my clay-heavy soil.
> Should I maybe start thinking about a different tack? Vine growth
> has been good.
> Thanks,
> anders

FYI: (I have no financial interest in this company)

Just got the new Double A Vineyards (Fredonia, NY) catalog.

You can get the online version at:
http://www.rakgrape.com

It'a a well designed site.
I think they have the most extensive list of varieties I
have ever seen.

Not only that, they provide a chart with information (uses,
hardiness, diseases, etc.)  on most varieties they sell.
Handy to have it in one place.

If you are looking for a source of vines for next spring,
they probably have what you need.
They also have interesting varieties of other fruit such as
cherries and hardy peaches.

Dan

> FYI: (I have no financial interest in this company)
Me neither.

> Just got the new Double A Vineyards (Fredonia, NY) catalog.
>
> You can get the online version at:
> http://www.rakgrape.com
>
	 [good words snipped]

> If you are looking for a source of vines for next spring,
> they probably have what you need.
> They also have interesting varieties of other fruit such as
> cherries and hardy peaches.
>
I've dealt with Dennis Rak for 4 years, and he and his family are good
people to deal with.

g

Message text written by INTERNET:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
>Just got the new Double A Vineyards (Fredonia, NY) catalog.
<

Dan,

So did I and his catalog gets better every year, lots of descriptions of
grapes and their properties all in one spot.  I have discussed stuff and
ordered from Dennis in the past and he and his wife are most attentive and
supportive.

Dave Burley

I have also dealt w/ double A and find them very nice.
     Sonoma grapevines at
  SGI@... Has good selection of hard to fond
varieties and unusual rootstocks. Use my name when you order.
     UCD plant materials has almost everything, b/ they are difficult
to say the least.
     Burpee and Miller's have a limited supplyb/ but can be very
helpful in directing you to the right place.





--- In grapesrus@y..., Dave Burley <Dave_Burley@c...> wrote:
> Message text written by INTERNET:grapesrus@y...
> >Just got the new Double A Vineyards (Fredonia, NY) catalog.
> <
>
> Dan,
>
> So did I and his catalog gets better every year, lots of
descriptions of
> grapes and their properties all in one spot.  I have discussed
stuff and
> ordered from Dennis in the past and he and his wife are most
attentive and
> supportive.
>
> Dave Burley

--- In grapesrus@y..., Kim Daniels <kimdaniels@y...> wrote:
> It is now the end of ?August and I was just reading
> old mail from the group. I am interested if you've had
> success with your muscadines in the Houston area this
> summer? What is your sun exposure? Did your vines
> adapt to their new arbor?
>
> Good Luck,
> K. Daniels


Kim...

Hey there! I am happy to say that with time and some coaching from
this e-mail list, my Carolos Muskies are some happy campers!
I built an arbor, 10.5' x 5' out of 1.5" EMT Conduit pipe. the arbor
is 7' tall and located over 1/2 my patio. To assist the vines in
crawling acrossed the top, I wove a 1' square net with stainless
steel wire [electric fence type]acrossed the top. I have been
training the vine to cove the whole arbor and it is doing great...

Of course, due to my HARSH pruning at the wrong time of the year, I
will probably not have any grapes this year, but that will come....
I actually saw 1 grape yesterday when I was putting some vines back
up on the wires... But I am very happy with the way it is running
acrossed teh arbor, considering the massive pruning I gave it at the
end on June to start this little project...

The arbor/vine is located on the North/Northwest side of the house
and gets sun all most all day long, as soon as the sun clears the
roofline on the house.

But Joe is right...you can't kill these things!

I hope this answers your questions!

Thanks for asking...

Scott

Does anyone else have a problem with black rot on muscadines or scuppernongs?
  I have a continuing problem despite spraying.  I would like to know what
other growers spray their muscadines with.  Also, has anyone had any
experience with this new fungicide called Oxidate?

Paul Downs


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Scott, I am happy to hear that your success.

Chuck Butler
Cedar Creek Farm

--- In grapesrus@y..., clbutler@f... wrote:
> Scott, I am happy to hear that your success.
>
> Chuck Butler
> Cedar Creek Farm

Thanks Chuck!

Yup, the Carlos is "growin' like a weed"! I am going to let it go
wild until this winter before I do any training to it.

Thank for your suggestions also, it is doing well, and maybe next
year, I will get a grape or 2...but even if I don't, I will get some
shade for my patio!

Scott

Message text written by INTERNET:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
>Does anyone else have a problem with black rot on muscadines or
scuppernongs? <

Paul,

I don't think so, at least not in this part of the southern US and on the
several varieties I am sort of familiar with. The wide open "bunches"
inhibit this, I imagine.   I suggest you check Ison's Nursery in GA
770-599-6970 as a good source.

Dave Burley

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Hello,
I am pleased to inform you that your 2001-2002 Grape catalog from the USDA,
ARS Plant Genetic Resouces Unit has just arrived. Attached to this message
you should find an Adobe Acrobat .PDF file containing a searchable version
of the catalog. Using the Adobe Acrobat Reader program you can view, search,
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Hi Folks,

I know there are a lot of you Munson freaks out there, but Mike is
asking about one particular Munson variety (I *think* it'd be the
"R. W. Munson" variety, but what do I know).   If there's anyone
doing anything with this'n, you might want to compare notes with
Mike (I think he's got several acres of the stuff in VA, so I think
he's pretty serious about it).  His email address is also below.

-Jim Ward-
Eno River Vineyards
Durham, NC


In a message dated 9/4/2001 4:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mbseaton@... writes:


> From:    mbseaton@... (Mike Seaton)
>
> Fellow Growers: Anyone out there growing Munson?  I am looking for some
> comparisons on harvest chemistry numbers.
>





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> Ours is:    "peaceful@m..."

How about peaceful (at) misn.com

There is just "Munson", but that's a female variety.  R. W. Munson is a bit
low in sugar and acid to be that good a wine grape, though the flavor is
very nice, with little or no labrusca type flavor and a pleasant fruitiness.
  There were a number of other varieties with "Munson" in them - Mrs. Munson,
Fern Munson, etc.  George Gale - are you there?  George is most likely to
have good comparison data on the varieties.
-Lon Rombough
Grapes, writing, consulting, more, plus word on my grape book at
http://www.bunchgrapes.com

----------
>From: jimboward@...
>To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [grapesrus] Fwd: Munson Harvest Parameters
>Date: Tue, Sep 4, 2001, 7:10 PM
>

>Hi Folks,
>
>I know there are a lot of you Munson freaks out there, but Mike is
>asking about one particular Munson variety (I *think* it'd be the
>"R. W. Munson" variety, but what do I know).   If there's anyone
>doing anything with this'n, you might want to compare notes with
>Mike (I think he's got several acres of the stuff in VA, so I think
>he's pretty serious about it).  His email address is also below.
>
>-Jim Ward-
>Eno River Vineyards
>Durham, NC
>
>
>In a message dated 9/4/2001 4:04:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>mbseaton@... writes:
>
>
>> From:    mbseaton@... (Mike Seaton)
>>
>> Fellow Growers: Anyone out there growing Munson?  I am looking for some
>> comparisons on harvest chemistry numbers.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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>  There were a number of other varieties with "Munson" in them - Mrs.
> Munson,
> Fern Munson, etc.  George Gale - are you there?  George is most likely
> to
> have good comparison data on the varieties.
Hi Lon, yup I'm here. But I wasn't saying anything (for once) because I
don't know anything about any of Munson's grapes that had "Munson" in
their name.

I've grown a lot of his grapes, tho', and most of them are relatively
low sugar: getting above 17B is somewhat uncommon. But, for all that,
they were usually in balance with their acids. Some of the flavors are
very nice, indeed. "Captivator", for example, is the best tasting grape
I've ever sampled in my life. The wine tasted good too, but it was a
bugger to clean up.

"Bailey", which is one of his best wine grapes, rarely passed 20B. But
its acid was nice and balanced.

I guess my best shot at advice is to say: just shoot for the highest
sugar you can, and taste the grapes.

g

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Date: Wednesday, September 5, 2001
Time: 8:00PM - 9:00PM EDT (GMT-04:00)

Chat about grape growing with Debra Marshall of Ontario Canada

My Pinot Noir grapes are starting to ripen (on my residential sunny
southern-facing slope in Portland, OR).  Without that gizmo which holds
a grape so that you can look through it at the sky (how does that thing
work, and what is it called?), can you give me any guidance on how to
know that my grapes have reached maximum ripeness?  Are color and taste
my only guides?

Also, the ripening process is proceeding unevenly among the bunches, and
within the bunches, which leads me to wonder if I should be picking
individual berries, rather than bunches (which I understand is
impracticable for you larger-volume guys, but with my few plants, I
could do it).

Thanks,

Kenton Erwin



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Dave:

The variety that I am growing is the Janebell which comes from Isoms.  They
actually look more like grape clusters than bunches that you would typically
see on a muscadine or scuppernong.  They are pretty tight especially this
year with all of the rain that we have had in North Alabama.

Paul Downs


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Yes I get rots and anthracnose every year... its very hard to control.. I have
found that certain varieties resist it better than others..

Joe O'Neal
Bayou Lacroix Vineyard
http://www.Winemakersemporium.com
Tjoneal@...
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PMDowns@...
   To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:06 AM
   Subject: [grapesrus] Black rot on muscadine grapes


   Does anyone else have a problem with black rot on muscadines or scuppernongs?
   I have a continuing problem despite spraying.  I would like to know what
   other growers spray their muscadines with.  Also, has anyone had any
   experience with this new fungicide called Oxidate?

   Paul Downs


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George,

I just got my order in for some hopkins cuttings from the repository in Davis, I
spoke with Mr Pris there..  again he noted possible leaf roll virus, I dont
think this will be a problem introducing these cuttings into my vineyard will
it?

Hopkins -   can you fill me in on qualities, resistance, ease of rooting.. ect
on this variety again.. I cant find any information on the internet anywhere..

Joe O'Neal
Bayou Lacroix Vineyard
http://www.Winemakersemporium.com
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   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Gale, George
   To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:07 AM
   Subject: RE: [grapesrus] Fwd: Munson Harvest Parameters




   >  There were a number of other varieties with "Munson" in them - Mrs.
   > Munson,
   > Fern Munson, etc.  George Gale - are you there?  George is most likely
   > to
   > have good comparison data on the varieties.
   Hi Lon, yup I'm here. But I wasn't saying anything (for once) because I
   don't know anything about any of Munson's grapes that had "Munson" in
   their name.

   I've grown a lot of his grapes, tho', and most of them are relatively
   low sugar: getting above 17B is somewhat uncommon. But, for all that,
   they were usually in balance with their acids. Some of the flavors are
   very nice, indeed. "Captivator", for example, is the best tasting grape
   I've ever sampled in my life. The wine tasted good too, but it was a
   bugger to clean up.

   "Bailey", which is one of his best wine grapes, rarely passed 20B. But
   its acid was nice and balanced.

   I guess my best shot at advice is to say: just shoot for the highest
   sugar you can, and taste the grapes.

   g



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Message text written by INTERNET:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
>Without that gizmo which holds
a grape so that you can look through it at the sky (how does that thing
work, and what is it called?), can you give me any guidance on how to
know that my grapes have reached maximum ripeness?<

This Gizmo is a refractometer and it operates by measuring the angle light
is refracted (bent)  as it passes though a drop of grapes juice.  The angle
is directly related to the sugar content.

You can use some old timey techniques like tasting and feeling on the sides
of your tongue if there is a reaction ( acid), check the stem to see of
they have turned brown or are al least restricting the water flow into the
grapes at the top of the bunch and you can squeeze the grape in your fnger.
When it is no longer very resilient it is getting ripe.  A titration of
acidity is a good idea once you suspect the grapes are ready to pick. pH
meters  are a good idea and not too expensive.

Dave Burley

Message text written by INTERNET:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
>I dont think this will be a problem introducing these cuttings into my
vineyard will it?
<

Sure it will.  Leafrool is slow to advance, so probably not a serious
problem and Burgundy is 100% infected with LR virus.

Dave Burley

--- Dave Burley <Dave_Burley@...> wrote:
> Message text written by
> INTERNET:grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
> >Without that gizmo which holds
> a grape so that you can look through it at the sky
> (how does that thing
> work, and what is it called?), can you give me any
> guidance on how to
> know that my grapes have reached maximum ripeness?<
>
> This Gizmo is a refractometer and it operates by
> measuring the angle light
> is refracted (bent)  as it passes though a drop of
> grapes juice.  The angle
> is directly related to the sugar content.
>
> You can use some old timey techniques like tasting
> and feeling on the sides
> of your tongue if there is a reaction ( acid), check
> the stem to see of
> they have turned brown or are al least restricting
> the water flow into the
> grapes at the top of the bunch and you can squeeze
> the grape in your fnger.
> When it is no longer very resilient it is getting
> ripe.  A titration of
> acidity is a good idea once you suspect the grapes
> are ready to pick. pH
> meters  are a good idea and not too expensive.
>
> Dave Burley
>
someone else sent me this link for supplies and i have
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Joe,

I wouldn't worry about leaf-roll.

Hopkins is a Munson variety. [Joe, you need to get a copy of Munson's
book. The public library in Denison TX sells it--give 'em a call. You'd
*love* what you read therein!] What put me onto it was the evaluations
of the French in 1905--they rated its wine higher than Norton.

It's a cross between Norton and the best lincecumii that Munson ever
saw. More fruitful than Norton, with a larger berry and cluster; just as
healthy. Red juice.

I had three small cuttings, one rooted.

It's a grape you really have to try...

How'd your Norton do, anyway??

g

There is a cheaper way, but you will need to waste quite a few
grapes to get enough juice. You can measure the sugars by using a
floating hydrometer. But, you will need to use enough juice to float
a hydrometer. Otherwise, I would buckle down and spend the $100 or
so and buy a Refractometer. You'll have it for many years and it
will help you make great wine...

BTW, our Pinot has started veraison, we are about 5 weeks away from
harvesting ours...

Steve Snyder
Maury Island Vineyards

--- In grapesrus@y..., "Erwin, Kenton" <kenton.erwin@e...> wrote:
> My Pinot Noir grapes are starting to ripen (on my residential sunny
> southern-facing slope in Portland, OR).  Without that gizmo which
holds
> a grape so that you can look through it at the sky (how does that
thing
> work, and what is it called?), can you give me any guidance on how
to
> know that my grapes have reached maximum ripeness?  Are color and
taste
> my only guides?
>
> Also, the ripening process is proceeding unevenly among the
bunches, and
> within the bunches, which leads me to wonder if I should be picking
> individual berries, rather than bunches (which I understand is
> impracticable for you larger-volume guys, but with my few plants, I
> could do it).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kenton Erwin
>
>
>
>
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Here is a bit of news from a friend of mine in Minnesota who keeps in close
contact with Elmer Swenson.

By the way, I hosted a group of growers and winery owners from Quebec and
Central Ontario last week and we went out to see Elmer.  Great time.  Elmer
is going to name his 2-1-9 selection "Sabrevois" after a village near the
Richelieu River south of Montreal where the best 2-1-9 wine in Quebec
(actually the world ) is made.  There are about 50,000 vines of 2-1-9 under
cultivation in Quebec now and more plantings planned.

Kenton:

We're commercial growers in the Dundee Hills. There are a number of ways to
gauge ripeness that don't require a handheld refractometer. But, they mostly
require some field experience. If you'd like to contact me off the list at
cliffanderson@..., I'd be glad to give you a half hour brain dump
out at our place.

And, the uneven ripening we're all seeing this year is a function of the
confluence of drought and weird weather conditions in early August (see this
month's free Oregon Wine Newspaper for a discussion by Jeff Lamy about what
happened).

We're not sure what the entire result will be but have been more aggressive
than usual in dropping unripe clusters (don't bother with individual
berries, Pinot noir is too tightly clustered to do it without making a
mess). On the plants where we're reduced the load, the "clown clusters" have
blackened-up nicely.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Erwin, Kenton [mailto:kenton.erwin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:18 AM
To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [grapesrus] Question about Pinot Noir ripening


My Pinot Noir grapes are starting to ripen (on my residential sunny
southern-facing slope in Portland, OR).  Without that gizmo which holds
a grape so that you can look through it at the sky (how does that thing
work, and what is it called?), can you give me any guidance on how to
know that my grapes have reached maximum ripeness?  Are color and taste
my only guides?

Also, the ripening process is proceeding unevenly among the bunches, and
within the bunches, which leads me to wonder if I should be picking
individual berries, rather than bunches (which I understand is
impracticable for you larger-volume guys, but with my few plants, I
could do it).

Thanks,

Kenton Erwin



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--- In grapesrus@y..., Dave Burley <Dave_Burley@c...> wrote:
> Message text written by INTERNET:grapesrus@y...
> >Does anyone else have a problem with black rot on muscadines or
> scuppernongs? <
==========================separator------------------------
Black rot attacks the leaves of a few of my vines, but I lose very
little fruit. The Scuppernong is probably my most troublesome, a few
of those shrivel & mummy. Also, I have one black variety I started
from seeds that gets BR on the leaves, but it doesn't lose fruit.
Hope I helped,
C.D. Spradlin, Morgan County, TN

Thanks george, I will be getting cuttings of hopkins this winter and will look
forward to getting them in place.

The norton "vines" are doing well, the wine is still in MLF, so the jury is out
on that one.  All the vines have yellowing leafs because of constant every
single day rains now for months, but each are holding thier own.. Its been tough
to get anything done out there due to all the wet weather..My concern on the
hopkins is getting a good percentage of them rooted. I may send some to Double A
for rooting along with the marguerite cuttings as well...  If you can get me
some cuttings from your hopkins in a year or two I will purchase some from you..

Most of my 2001 vintages are clearing nicely and it should be a good year, of
course the norton, and chambourcin need some TLC..  I still have another 1/4 ton
of grapes outta california this year to process, and then I can settle down and
start working the vineyard again. Damn fire ants go nuts in all this wet
weather, I will find lots of mounds I am sure, also just keeping up with the
grass this year has been a MAJOR undertaking, having to mow 3-4 acres every
weekend just gets sooooo trivial... haha..

Joe O'Neal
Bayou Lacroix Vineyard
http://www.Winemakersemporium.com
Tjoneal@...
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Gale, George
   To: grapesrus@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:23 AM
   Subject: [grapesrus] Hopkins


   Joe,

   I wouldn't worry about leaf-roll.

   Hopkins is a Munson variety. [Joe, you need to get a copy of Munson's
   book. The public library in Denison TX sells it--give 'em a call. You'd
   *love* what you read therein!] What put me onto it was the evaluations
   of the French in 1905--they rated its wine higher than Norton.

   It's a cross between Norton and the best lincecumii that Munson ever
   saw. More fruitful than Norton, with a larger berry and cluster; just as
   healthy. Red juice.

   I had three small cuttings, one rooted.

   It's a grape you really have to try...

   How'd your Norton do, anyway??

   g

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