Hi folks,

    Berthold asked about FakeCD... I did a little searching,  and found
almost nothing.  The few comments I found suggested that Virtual CD is a
real improvement over FakeCD.  Searching for Virtual CD gave me this link:

     http://www.iexpress.net.au/~mattmw/virtual.htm

    The actual download is about 1767 KBytes.

    As to the suggestion that using such a system will cut down on hard
drive use,  by minimizing "dead space":  There is something to this
argument.  Guide currently would consume 676 MBytes if DOS/Windows didn't
waste bytes in dead space.

    On a CD-ROM,  files are allocated in 2K clusters,  and this causes
Guide to consume 678 MBytes.

    The following assumes you're using the old DOS "FAT16" type of file
structure.  Many people are using the Win95 and greater FAT32 allocation,
which I believe evades the dead space issue pretty well (and means Virtual
PC won't do much for you).  If you're using FAT32,  you can ignore the
following three paragraphs:

    If you copied Guide onto hard drive partitions with 16K, 32K,  and 64K
cluster sizes,  the result would consume 691,  710,  or 748 MBytes.

    If the hard drive partition consumes less than one GByte,  you've got
16K clusters and are "wasting" about 25 MBytes in dead space.  On a drive
with more than one but less than 2 GBytes,  the waste goes up to 34 GBytes.
On one with more than 2 GBytes,  the waste is 72 GBytes.

    However,  this is still something to think about with other CDs.  Some
developers make CDs with millions of tiny files,  knowing that little
space will be wasted on the CD.  Copy it to the hard drive,  and it
can "expand" horribly.  RealSky disks are an example.  I've had a couple
of calls asking me why,  when copied to hard drive,  a 680 MByte RealSky
disk has consumed over 2 GBytes.

    Jost asked:  "How it's with running Guide on several computer systems,
but only one system at time (means taking the CD-ROM from the computer at
home to the computer at observatory)?"  People do this a bit... I don't
object very much.  As long as you're lugging the CD around,  you're
basically a "single-user licensee".

    A warning,  though:  I think my attitude in that regard is unusually
generous.  If you did this with Microsoft products,  I'm sure Bill Gates
would object.  So don't immediately try this with every program you own <grin>.

    Jost also mentioned:  "I would like, that you can give Guide the paths
of each CD (USNO, Real Sky, Clementine etc.) or better each data
file/path. Using Virtual CD-ROM you can put as much as 21 virtual CD-ROMs
onto your system!"  And the idea of putting all of USNO Ax.0 or of RealSky
on a hard drive is completely reasonable now.  It is certainly an issue
I will have to address.  I think most people would put,  say,  all the
Ax.0 data on one "normal" hard drive partition (the files are _enormous_,
and there will be little dead space).

    I've been thinking about the "satellite rise/set/in-shadow" listings
for a bit today...  the way to do it best is coming together in my mind,
and I expect it (along with the Czech version) to be the next update on
the Web site.

-- Bill

>
>The reason to use Virtual CD-ROM is, that this program is PACKING all data
>into one big file. So you save space by packing and by the saving of
>directory entries, because you have only ONE file, not several directories
>and files in those directories.

Could someone post the URLs of FakeCD. I would like to try it. Is it
shareware, freeware or payware?

Thanks

Berthold

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Hallo Philippe, am 29.11.99 meintest Du in /guide-user

> why al this trouble with CD-Rom-simulating software?
> I just copy the whole CD to a directory on my hard-drive, and then
> change the "drive"-statement (in the "startup.mar"-file). Instead
> of the usual d:/ or e:/ (or whatever your CD-Rom-letter is), it now
> shows something like "c:/astro/guide7" (the directory where you put
> it).

The reason to use Virtual CD-ROM is, that this program is PACKING all data
into one big file. So you save space by packing and by the saving of
directory entries, because you have only ONE file, not several directories
and files in those directories.

Additional you can use several CD-ROMs on one drive letter by simple
clicking the file into the VIRTUAL CD-Rom.

But each must know, how he is doing this.

> P.S.: I know I should not do that (technically I should be buying
> one copy for each computer), but its a great way of promoting

Hmh, I will not comment this, but I think you should indeed run Guide only
one one computer system.

A question to Bill: How it's with running Guide on several computer
systems, but only one system at time (means taking the CD-ROM from the
computer at home to the computer at observatory)?

Greetings

Jost
---

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Bill wrote

>    Michael mentioned "FakeCD" and "Virtual CD-ROM",  two programs
> that will let you install Guide on a hard drive.  I've heard of
> people doing this,  yes... still,  I know I'll need a good way to
> handle a two-CD-ROM program without asking people to swap disks all
> the time.  So Guide 8 will need options to store one CD-ROM to the
> hard drive,  or both,  or none. It will have to work if you have
> one CD-ROM drive,  or two,  or if you just want to run from
> whatever data happens to be stored on the hard drive at the time.

I would like, that you can give Guide the paths of each CD (USNO, Real
Sky, Clementine etc.) or better each data file/path. Using Virtual CD-ROM
you can put as much as 21 virtual CD-ROMs onto your system!

The best way indeed would be, that Guide is seraching all partitions
(=drive letters) for the appropiate CD-ROM without asking the user or
without putting the correct letter into the STARTUP file. I think that
Guide can do this by asking for the CD-ROM name and some files, which can
only be on THIS CD-ROM/partition.

This would also very helpful, if you install a second hard drive, because
Guide doesn't find the CD on D (bceuase the CD is then on E).

Greetings

Jost
---

Jost Jahn, Bodenteich, FAX: 0581-31165

Hi,

why al this trouble with CD-Rom-simulating software?
I just copy the whole CD to a directory on my hard-drive, and then change
the "drive"-statement (in the "startup.mar"-file). Instead of the usual d:/
or e:/ (or whatever your CD-Rom-letter is), it now shows something like
"c:/astro/guide7" (the directory where you put it).

It even works in a small network (I use it at my work, Public Observatory
MIRA): the files are on the file-server, but the program can be run on 3
"workstations".

P.S.: I know I should not do that (technically I should be buying one copy
for each computer), but its a great way of promoting Guide. Once our
volunteers are used to Guide at the observatory, they'll buy it for their
home-computers. So please forgive me Bill ;-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus-Michael Koeppl <km.koeppl@...>
To: <guide-user@eGroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 10:57 PM
Subject: [guide-user] Guide on hard drive


Hi Bill,

thanks for your detailed Guide 8 information. You mentioned that putting
Guide on a hard drive is "a somewhat clumsy system". I use a program
that
simulates one or more CD-ROM drives on my hard disk ("Virtual CD-ROM";
another program called "FakeCD" works in a comparable manner). After
copying the Guide-CD on the hard drive I "put" it in the virtual CD-ROM-
drive and start the setup procedure. Guide will be installed without any
problems and runs completely from my hard drive. Itīs a very practical
way
especially if you want to use Guide with your notebook (CD-ROM-drives
use
storage batteries in a very intensive way !)

Clear skies, Michael


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Regarding Iridium flares... I've considered doing this.  I've been
using IRIDFLAR myself from time to time.  It really would be difficult to
improve greatly on it,  in my humble opinion.  Still,  it would be pleasant
if Guide included this capability.

    I can't really claim that artificial satellites are a strong point in
Guide.  There are a _lot_ of improvements that could be made here.  I
started to write up an e-mail about it for this mailing list.  It grew
to the point that I decided it ought to go on my Web site,  on the list
of "ideas for the future".  It's now at:

http://www.projectpluto.com/future.htm#satellites

    Masaki Kouda wrote:  "I want to display viewing from Galileo with
ANIMATION."  Or Cassini,  or Voyagers 1 and 2.  I have been thinking
about this for a while,  and I may have found a solution.  These objects
are basically "artificial satellites",  and I think Guide can treat
them as such.  (I added some comments about this at the above link.)
Then,  I would have to allow you to set a satellite as your "observing
location".  This could be Mir,  or a geostationary satellite,  or...
Galileo.

    "...I wonder I need to get DVD-player in next year ?"  I would like
to do this,  yes.  It would not work well for Guide 8,  because DVD is
still rare.  But for Guide 9,  it will be a wonderful idea.

    Michael mentioned "FakeCD" and "Virtual CD-ROM",  two programs that
will let you install Guide on a hard drive.  I've heard of people doing
this,  yes... still,  I know I'll need a good way to handle a two-CD-ROM
program without asking people to swap disks all the time.  So Guide 8 will
need options to store one CD-ROM to the hard drive,  or both,  or none.
It will have to work if you have one CD-ROM drive,  or two,  or if you
just want to run from whatever data happens to be stored on the hard
drive at the time.

    "...It's a very practical way especially if you want to use Guide with
your notebook (CD-ROM-drives use storage batteries in a very intensive
way !)"  Yes,  that is the most common reason for putting it on a hard
drive.  I also hear from RealSky and Ax.0 users,  who do so in order to
avoid swapping disks all the time.

-- Bill

Hi Bill,

one interesting feature in Guide is the visibility of satellites by
using
the corresponding tle-files. Is it possible to predict iridium flare
events for the specified observerīs location as a new feature in Guide
? In the internet the URL http://www.heavens-above.com predicts iridium
flare events after editing the coordinates of the observerīs location.
Another effective but uncomfortable DOS-programm I found for this
purpose is Rob Matsons "Iridflar 1.65". I think that this new feature
would be very interesting for astrophotographers who want to avoid such
flares on long time exposures. Thanks for an answer,

         Michael

Hello, Bill.

     I watch guide8.htm and translated to Japanese to show my friends.
I'm suprised how GUIDE has change, though you wrote 'no big change'.
I wonder I nood to get DVD-player in next year ?
But it's delightful wonder.

    I want to display viewing from Galilleo with ANIMATION.
How wonderful viewing, I think.

Kouda

Hi Bill,

thanks for your detailed Guide 8 information. You mentioned that putting
Guide on a hard drive is "a somewhat clumsy system". I use a program
that
simulates one or more CD-ROM drives on my hard disk ("Virtual CD-ROM";
another program called "FakeCD" works in a comparable manner). After
copying the Guide-CD on the hard drive I "put" it in the virtual CD-ROM-
drive and start the setup procedure. Guide will be installed without any
problems and runs completely from my hard drive. Itīs a very practical
way
especially if you want to use Guide with your notebook (CD-ROM-drives
use
storage batteries in a very intensive way !)

Clear skies, Michael

Just a short note to anyone who notices that I posted a 'new version'
of the Guide software without announcing it:  I got an inquiry from a
gent who is translating Guide into Czech.  Guide expected a DOS character
set,  and his files were in a Windows character set.  The recent 'update'
includes some small fixes so that,  when run in Czech,  Guide will
treat his files correctly.  (I'll post those once we fix some other
small issues involving getting Czech to appear correctly in Guide.)

    Aside from that,  I'll mention that I've posted a discussion of Guide 8
on my Web site,  at...

http://www.projectpluto.com/guide8.htm

    The gist of it is that,  because I want to use some new datasets that
are not quite ready yet,  Guide 8 ought to be ready sometime this spring.

-- Bill

Mine too!

Jari
_________
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Plato

berthold hamburger <behamb-@...> wrote:
original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/guide-user/?start=19
> Hi Bill,
>
> Works fine on my machine too! Thanks.
>
> Berthold
>
> >   I checked with the GZip Web site (http://www.gzip.org) and found
> >that,  in addition to the DOS GZip I distributed,  there is now a
> >separate executable for Win95,  98,  and NT machines.  I've tried it
> >out,  and it seems to work just fine.
>
>
>
>

Hi Bill,

Works fine on my machine too! Thanks.

Berthold

>   I checked with the GZip Web site (http://www.gzip.org) and found
>that,  in addition to the DOS GZip I distributed,  there is now a
>separate executable for Win95,  98,  and NT machines.  I've tried it
>out,  and it seems to work just fine.




			 -------------------
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InterNet: b-hamburger@...
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9601

Hmmmm... It sounds very much as if,  this time,  I got everything
to 'work' except that GZIP386 is falling down on NT boxes.

    I checked with the GZip Web site (http://www.gzip.org) and found
that,  in addition to the DOS GZip I distributed,  there is now a
separate executable for Win95,  98,  and NT machines.  I've tried it
out,  and it seems to work just fine.

    So there is now yet another REALSKY.ZIP on my Web site.  It contains
the same GET_DSS.EXE as before,  but with the new GZip code.  (For
some reason,  the new GZip is smaller than the 'original' one,  so
REALSKY.ZIP is down to about 65 KBytes.)

    Jari wrote:  "...looks like you found a fast way to [render flattened
planets] as I can't see any reduction in the drawing speed."  Yes.  In the
past,  I'd expected to do a full-fledged 'line-intersecting-an-ellipsoid'
for each pixel.  Instead,  I figured out a way to slightly modify the
existing routine... it adds just a few operations per pixel.

-- Bill

I have the same problem with NT4 and SP5.
Gzip386 reports abnormal program termination and GET_DSS gets stuck.

Berthold

On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 02:36:54 -0800, you wrote:

>Sorry to say, but I still have problems with this on my work computer
>running NT4 with SP3.  The download proceeds OK, but the *.GZ package
>doesn't get decompressed and GET_DSS gets stuck on the taskbar (I have
>to kill it with the Task Manager).  As it is, I have to decompress the
>file and then choose Extras/Add DSS image.
>
>I tried with image sizes 2'x2', 5'x5', 10'x10', 20.1'x20.1', and
>25'x25' so it doesn't look like something relating to the file size.
>
>BTW, great that you implemented the true shape for planets!  Looks like
>you found a fast way to do it as I can't see any reduction in the
>drawing speed.
>
>Jari
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"jari suomela" <jimene-@...> wrote:

> BTW, great that you implemented the true shape for planets!  Looks
like
> you found a fast way to do it as I can't see any reduction in the
> drawing speed.

What I was trying to say was that there is no apparent slowing-down of
the rendering speed.  Anyway, great stuff, Bill! Now you only have to
add some anti-aliasing (?) code so that Saturn's rings and the limb
area of the Clementine lunar  bitmap doesn't have this annoying,
unrealistic jagged appearance:-)

Jari
_______
The purpose of life is the investigation of the Sun, the Moon, and the
heavens. - Anaxagoras

Sorry to say, but I still have problems with this on my work computer
running NT4 with SP3.  The download proceeds OK, but the *.GZ package
doesn't get decompressed and GET_DSS gets stuck on the taskbar (I have
to kill it with the Task Manager).  As it is, I have to decompress the
file and then choose Extras/Add DSS image.

I tried with image sizes 2'x2', 5'x5', 10'x10', 20.1'x20.1', and
25'x25' so it doesn't look like something relating to the file size.

BTW, great that you implemented the true shape for planets!  Looks like
you found a fast way to do it as I can't see any reduction in the
drawing speed.

Jari
---------
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of stars! - Arthur C. Clarke, 2001: A Space Odyssey

I downloaded updated 'realsky.zip' and get DSS image.
Problem was fixed ! (I think)  Thank you.

Kouda

My thanks for the replies on the DSS trouble.  The problem turned
out to be related partly to file size,  and partly to whether one moved
windows around,  and partly a totally random process.

    As I mentioned earlier,  Get_DSS would access a file from the STScI
site,  decompress it,  then rename it.  The problem turned out to be
that,  in some cases,  it would decide that the file must have been
decompressed,  when in fact it was only _partially_ decompressed.  My
code wasn't as clever about that as I thought it was.

    Anyway,  I've fixed it,  using a 'rigorous' method to check that the
decompression program has completed its work before continuing with the
remaining steps.  In addition,  I've modified Get_DSS a bit so that it
will give you a progress report telling you how many bytes have been
downloaded,  say,  "10 KBytes of (about) 56".

    The '(about)' arises because of the compression.  Get_DSS can't really
know in advance exactly how big the compressed file will be.  It guesses
that it will be 'about' half the size of the uncompressed image.  That
appears to be a decent estimate.

    To do this,  I had to rearrange the code a bit so that you do have to
start up your Internet connection before you request the image.  That's
the only "down side" to this change.

    Aside from that,  the only progress to report is that I got an updated
version of the Russian language files from Alexander Anikeev,  and that's
been posted to the site.

-- Bill

Hello

     Brian Adams wrote:
>The only pattern that I've discerned is that "larger" files aren't being
>renamed.  I tried importing several images of M34 of various sizes, starting
>with the default value of 20.1x20.1 arcminutes, and decreasing in size.  I
>was able to successfully download images of 5x5 arcminutes or smaller without
>renaming to a fits extension; anything larger didn't seem to work without
>renaming.

    DSS image I got first was M-57.  It size was 20' x 20' and NO extension.
Today I try to get some images.
M-13 as 10' x10' has NO extension and NOT displayed automatically.
M-27 as 5' x5' HAS EXTENSION and DISPLAYED automatically.
I hope this test will help Gray.

Kouda

>   The reports on this list indicate that the 'rename to a .FIT extension'
>step is falling down.  I gave it a try today,  and got it to fail _once_.
>Before and after that,  it worked just fine.  I'm still trying to figure
>out what was special about that failure,  and will post here when I've got
>something new.  (If anybody else spots a pattern regarding which cases
>work and which fail,  please let me know!)

Bill and others,

The only pattern that I've discerned is that "larger" files aren't being
renamed.  I tried importing several images of M34 of various sizes, starting
with the default value of 20.1x20.1 arcminutes, and decreasing in size.  I
was able to successfully download images of 5x5 arcminutes or smaller without
renaming to a fits extension; anything larger didn't seem to work without
renaming.

I don't know if this helps, but I thought I'd pass on my experiences.  Thanks.

Brian Adams

I read the assorted comments on DSS troubles this morning,  and did a
little experimenting.  I haven't really made much progress,  but thought
a progress report/explanation might be a good idea:

    In theory,  the 'Get_DSS' program should get a compressed image,  with
extension .GZ,  from the STScI server.  Then it decompresses it to a
file with no extension.  It renames it to have a .FIT extension,  and
imports it for display in Guide.

    The reports on this list indicate that the 'rename to a .FIT extension'
step is falling down.  I gave it a try today,  and got it to fail _once_.
Before and after that,  it worked just fine.  I'm still trying to figure
out what was special about that failure,  and will post here when I've got
something new.  (If anybody else spots a pattern regarding which cases
work and which fail,  please let me know!)

    Thanks for all the comments on this.  And my apologies:  I _thought_ I
had tested this code quite well!

    Also,  Jari mentioned that some sort of progress report would be
immensely helpful.  This is certainly true;  I'm still puzzling out how to
add that sort of information.  (I expect it to be a generally useful thing.
Now that Guide can grab files via the Internet,  it may be possible to have
an "update comets/asteroids" button that grabs relevant data from the Minor
Planet Center... or similar buttons to update supernova,  artificial
satellite,  and other data.)

-- Bill

Thank you for so many reply mail.

     I got correct 'realsky.zip' and can use new GET_DSS.EXE.
Then I scceed to get DSS image via internet.
I found these (3) image files are in my GUIDE directory,
and are not shown.  So I changed these file names to fit-files.

     This function is very useful.  I hope Mr.Gray fix this
program to add file extension.

     Thank you so much.
                                          Masaki Kouda

After downloading DSS files you will find them in your Guide directory
as a four number combination without any extension. Change the file
name in the
Guide directory using the Windows Explorer (for example change 0005 to
0005.fit) and the downloaded DSS images appear in the selected Guide
star field.

Hi I downloaded the corrected version of the software and it seems to work
OK for me. It may take some time to work but a little Get_DSS process
appears on th etask bar while it is connecting.

At 06:16 21/11/1999 -0200, you wrote:
>At 11/21/99 Sunday 12:00 AM, you wrote:
>>Hello.
>>I'm Japanese GUIDE user.  I'm enjoying GUIDE software from version 5.
>>
>>I downloaded new version updated on 18 Nov.  Ant I downloaded 'realsky.zip'
>>to do new feature to get DSS images via internet.
>>
>>But new downloaded 'realsky.zip' looks old, and NOT add new feature.
>>Did somebody scceed in new feature ?
>>                                                                    Masaki
>> Kouda
>
>Hello too, I am Paulo Cacella and use Guide since V5. Yes, I couldn't run
>the new feature :((
>
>
>
>Paulo Cacella
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At 11/21/99 Sunday 12:00 AM, you wrote:
>Hello.
>I'm Japanese GUIDE user.  I'm enjoying GUIDE software from version 5.
>
>I downloaded new version updated on 18 Nov.  Ant I downloaded 'realsky.zip'
>to do new feature to get DSS images via internet.
>
>But new downloaded 'realsky.zip' looks old, and NOT add new feature.
>Did somebody scceed in new feature ?
>                                                                    Masaki
> Kouda

Hello too, I am Paulo Cacella and use Guide since V5. Yes, I couldn't run
the new feature :((



Paulo Cacella
=====================
cacella@...

Masaki Kouda asked about problems with the new DSS access feature that
was posted on 18 November.  I made a mistake here,  and posted the wrong
file!  If you visit the Web site and download the current REALSKY.ZIP,
the problem will be fixed.

    The 18 November update on the Web site was the first in over two
months, and I find that I neglected to mention four small improvements
that appeared in that update.  These are now discussed at...

http://www.projectpluto.com/update7.htm#miscell_18_nov

-- Bill Gray

             ------------- Clip from Web site begins -------------
    Users looking _very_ closely at the new version of Guide would note
that:

  * Jupiter and Saturn,  when shown in 'bitmapped' mode,  are correctly
flattened now.  (So are the other planets,  but it is almost impossible
to tell the difference.)

  * 'Colored stars' were originally colored using spectral type data
(M=red, G=yellow, A=white, O=blue,  with gradations in between).  But
spectral types are available for only about 300000 stars.  In the current
version,  stars are instead colored using B-V magnitude data.  Thanks
to the Tycho catalog,  this is available for about a million stars.

  * When you ask for a list of  USNO A1.0 or A2.0  stars in a given
area,  an extra digit of precision is now given. This was done at the
request of a Guide user in Germany.  In truth, given the errors in
Ax.0,  this is at least one digit too many.  A2.0 is more accurate than
most earlier datasets,  but not _that_ much more accurate.  But this
extra digit allows you to recreate the data as it appeared in the
original catalog.

  * In the past,  certain lists of events (lunar phases,  Jovian
satellite events and GRS transits,  etc.) were uniformly provided
in UT.  Now, Guide pays attention to the time zone you have set.
             ------------- Clip from Web site ends -------------

Hi Masaki and other Guide users!

First a small intruduction: I live in Helsinki, Finland, and I've been
a Guide fan since version one quite a few years and features back.

I think that the problem you described has been corrected and the web
site now gives a zip file with the correct content.  However, I haven't
been successful in downloading images (tried twice) but can't really
say why - perhaps the server is busy and couldn't fulfill the request
or then there's a problem in the implementation.  What I'd like to have
is messages with the status of the request, like line speed, download
time and in and out going bytes. Bill?

Jari
_______
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. No use being
a damn fool about it. - W. C. Fields

"masaki kouda" <fp6m-ku-@...> wrote:
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> Hello.
> I'm Japanese GUIDE user.  I'm enjoying GUIDE software from version 5.
>
> I downloaded new version updated on 18 Nov.  Ant I downloaded
'realsky.zip'
> to do new feature to get DSS images via internet.
>
> But new downloaded 'realsky.zip' looks old, and NOT add new feature.
> Did somebody scceed in new feature ?
>
Masaki Kouda
> @Japan
>
>

Hello.
I'm Japanese GUIDE user.  I'm enjoying GUIDE software from version 5.

I downloaded new version updated on 18 Nov.  Ant I downloaded 'realsky.zip'
to do new feature to get DSS images via internet.

But new downloaded 'realsky.zip' looks old, and NOT add new feature.
Did somebody scceed in new feature ?
                                                                    Masaki Kouda
@Japan

Hi,

only one day after publishing this e-mail list by Bill, the group has
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I invite you to discuss about the program and your problems and
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My mother tongue is not English, but I think some others mother tongue
is not German :-)

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