SchemeOS development team has decided to abandon SchemeOS and try to use the design ideas in the context of vapour. Vapour ca be found at sourceforge.net. -- ...
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Nadav Har'El
nyh@...
Nov 1, 2000 1:26 pm
... Just a small correction: readline is a GNU library which any interactive program can use to support line editing and history. Bash uses it, and gnuplot and...
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Omer Mussaev
omerm@...
Nov 1, 2000 4:00 pm
... Wow:)) thats very nice:) ... Ooops. My mistake. ... Besides that, eval may be intriguing and very useful...
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Shlomi Fish
shlomif@...
Nov 1, 2000 4:44 pm
... Good point. I'll keep that in mind. ... You are right. It should be "echo $A" and "echo $B". ... I'll tell users about both forms and explain the pros and...
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Shlomi Fish
shlomif@...
Nov 1, 2000 4:55 pm
... I am going to cover eval at a later stage. I once had to use it. I wanted to write a program that loads all the modules my soundcard needed to operate, and...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 1, 2000 5:17 pm
... Or in Generalized form: Never implement yourself using shell what is already implemented with C....
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Shlomi Fish
shlomif@...
Nov 1, 2000 5:47 pm
I opened a mailing-list to discuss the Extended SQL initiative, which aims to extend the SQL standard so there actually will be significant database ...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 1, 2000 5:52 pm
... I was wondering, anyonw knows of any case where an Open-Source oriented group set a standard that became widely used in the commercial world?...
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Shlomi Fish
shlomif@...
Nov 1, 2000 6:04 pm
Well, you can find it on the lecture's homepage: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/Bash/ But since people here seem to like it being posted and...
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Shlomi Fish
shlomif@...
Nov 1, 2000 6:05 pm
... The W3C is fairly Open-Source, or at least their standards are publicly available for free. Anyway, I welcome commercial DB vendors to join the X-SQL...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 1, 2000 6:12 pm
... It has memebers both from Microsoft and Netscape forming 2/5 of its deciding board. What I mean is that by publishing on LWN and /. you may get the...
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Nadav Har'El
nyh@...
Nov 1, 2000 6:34 pm
... This is a tautology, and a biased one at that (if you remove the words "shell" and "C", the sentence will still be true, and all you did was added a bias ...
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Moshe Zadka
moshez@...
Nov 1, 2000 6:39 pm
... Though one should not forget the companion lesson: never implement in C, what can be easily implemented with shell. the big paradox! -- Moshe Zadka...
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mulix
mulix@...
Nov 1, 2000 7:08 pm
both of these can be abstracted as "use the right tool for the task at hand" or its negation "to a man with only a hammer, everything looks like a nail" which...
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Nadav Har'El
nyh@...
Nov 1, 2000 7:54 pm
... Obviously, in some cases it is not clear if it is best to use C, shell, perl, awk, or whatever. But in many cases one language has a definate advantage...
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Adi Stav
stav@...
Nov 1, 2000 8:07 pm
... Berkley sockets. And what about X11, by the way? Was it a similar story? Also looks like Jabber is heading in that direction....
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Adi Stav
stav@...
Nov 1, 2000 8:19 pm
... If you're mentioning ';', you might as well mention '&&' and '||'. [ conditions ] && command is very useful and will be familiar to Perl people. Also brace...
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Moshe Zadka
moshez@...
Nov 1, 2000 10:29 pm
... Actually, rm -rf / is not that harmful: as long as anyone remembers never to try out shell code he's not sure of as root, there's plenty of time to CTRL-C ...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 2, 2000 6:52 am
... not necessarily - if something is implemented in C - you may be able to do a better job implementing it in C yourself. Same thing if something is in shell....
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Gaal Yahas
gaal@...
Nov 2, 2000 6:54 am
... In case you haven't read it yet, take a look at Neal Stephenson's essay, In the Beginning was the Comamnd Line. It has been published in book form (Hearst,...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 2, 2000 6:59 am
... Not really. C is most usefull when someone else already implemented it for you :-) And when you have purify at hand. Which reminds me of 2 projects I...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:06 am
... if you have the same knowledge and experience in both, and both are 100% fitting to the task, you can consider the following things: 1) maintainability:...
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Moshe Zadka
moshez@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:16 am
... Ummmmmm.....weigh which advantages and disadvantages are most crucial, based on my previous experiences? Which is another way of saying that there is no...
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Moshe Zadka
moshez@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:36 am
... That's because real engineers write in Fortran. Including string and list processing. -- Moshe Zadka <moshez@...> -- 95855124 ...
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Moshe Zadka
moshez@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:37 am
... Not to speak of the classical make && run idiom -- Moshe Zadka <moshez@...> -- 95855124 http://advogato.org/person/moshez...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:41 am
... So lets keep real engineers away from strings, the way it meant to be. BTW if list processing is lisp, then string processing must be strip?...
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Moshe Zadka
moshez@...
Nov 2, 2000 7:43 am
... Two strings walk into an engineer... -- Moshe Zadka <moshez@...> -- 95855124 http://advogato.org/person/moshez...
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Nadav Har'El
nyh@...
Nov 2, 2000 8:25 am
... I don't know of a free Purify lookalike, but Digital Unix (a.k.a. OSF/1 or Tru64 - they change its name every year...) has a very good utility called ...
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Moshe Zadka
moshez@...
Nov 2, 2000 8:29 am
... GC them too...it's not like it's impossible. (only a bit tricky <wink>) Even with copy-collection, usually it is possible to go and check for uncopied...
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Chen Shapira
chen@...
Nov 2, 2000 8:56 am
... Many things that are problematic aren't really bugs, but you still want to catch them. This shouldn't prevent compilation, just pop a small warning. Same...
