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Representing a vector field with two scalar fields   Message List  
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Re: Representing a vector field with two scalar fields

Hi Dr. Afeyan,

Yes, I am well aware of that. I totally agree that the field perpendicular to
$\hat{b}$ can be decomposed into
$\nabla\Phi + \nabla\times\vec{A}$ with one constraint
$(\nabla\Phi + \nabla\times\vec{A}) \cdot \hat{b} = 0$.

The question is whether we can represent it with two scalar fields,
in the form of $\hat{b}\times\nabla\Phi$ and/or $\hat{b} \times (\hat{b} \times
\nabla \Psi)$.

Thank you.

--- In harmonicanalysis@yahoogroups.com, Bedros Afeyan <bedros@...> wrote:
>
> Dear SXSW,
>
> Are you aware of the Helmholtz theorem on general decompositions of
> vector fields into potentials that are curl free and divergence free
> (sometimes called the fundamental theorem of vector calculus)? Here is
> a way in:
>
> http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node37.html
> or
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_decomposition
>
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> On Apr 20, 2009, at 10:55 AM, sxsw@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Let me ask a related question here:
> >
> > What are the characteristics/properties of a vector field that can
> > be expressed
> > as $\hat{b}\times\nabla\Phi$ and/or $\hat{b} \times (\hat{b} \times
> > \nabla \Psi)$ ?
> >
> > For example, any vector field that can be expressed as $\nabla\Phi$
> > has the property $\nabla\times\nabla\Phi=0$, so we can check the
> > validity of the expression by taking curl with that vector field.
> >
> > Are there such properties we can check for $\hat{b}\times\nabla\Phi$
> > and/or $\hat{b} \times (\hat{b} \times \nabla \Psi)$ ?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --- In harmonicanalysis@yahoogroups.com, "sxsw@" <sxsw@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Suppose I have a known 3-D vector field $\hat{b}$, is it always
> > possible to express another vector field(Let's call it A) which is
> > perpendicular to this vector field in the following form:
> > >
> > > \begin{equation}
> > > \vec{A}=\hat{b} \times \nabla \Phi + \hat{b} \times (\hat{b}
> > \times \nabla \Psi)
> > > \end{equation}
> > >
> > > We can see the above representation certainly guarantees that $
> > \vec{A}$ is perpendicular to $\hat{b}$.
> > >
> > > If the answer is yes, how should one represent $\Phi$ or $\Psi$ in
> > terms of $\vec{A}$?
> > >
> > > If the answer is no, what is the criteria for such representation
> > to be appropriate?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>





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Hi all, Suppose I have a known 3-D vector field $\hat{b}$, is it always possible to express another vector field(Let's call it A) which is perpendicular to...
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Dear All, Let me ask a related question here: What are the characteristics/properties of a vector field that can be expressed as $\hat{b}\times\nabla\Phi$...
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Dear SXSW, Are you aware of the Helmholtz theorem on general decompositions of vector fields into potentials that are curl free and divergence free (sometimes...
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Hi Dr. Afeyan, Yes, I am well aware of that. I totally agree that the field perpendicular to $\hat{b}$ can be decomposed into $\nabla\Phi +...
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Dear All, I think I can put my original question in a cleaner, equivalent form: Given an arbitrary vector field in 3-D, $\vec{A}$, is it always possible to...
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Hello again, It may be illuminating to look at this 1957 paper by Chandrasekhar and Kendall on vector wave equation solutions and their relation to scalar wave...
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