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[harmonic] Re: Representing a vector field with two scalar fields

Hello again,

It may be illuminating to look at this 1957 paper by Chandrasekhar and Kendall on vector wave equation solutions and their relation to scalar wave equation solutions (in the context of force free magnetic field evolution in fluids, thus involving no fluid motion) to further this discussion on scalars shedding curls, shedding divergences. I include the paper below. See in particular, eqns. 5 to 8. 



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In this 1957 paper, there is also the explicit construction of poloidal and toroidal components of the vector field which is very much a Morse & Feshbach Vol II type specialty (1930's - 1950's technology). 

Note finally, that this topic isl in the news (ie fashionable of late) in relation to knotted EM fields (see Linked and knotted beams of light William T. M. Irvine et al., Nature Physics 4, 716 (2008)) and the separate subject of the illusive tracking of helicity in turbulence which then makes a link (if not a knot) with Navier-Stokes and harmonic analysis.

Bedros


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On Apr 20, 2009, at 10:55 AM, sxsw@... wrote:



Dear All,

Let me ask a related question here:

What are the characteristics/properties of a vector field that can be expressed
as $\hat{b}\times\nabla\Phi$ and/or $\hat{b} \times (\hat{b} \times \nabla \Psi)$ ?

For example, any vector field that can be expressed as $\nabla\Phi$ has the property $\nabla\times\nabla\Phi=0$, so we can check the validity of the expression by taking curl with that vector field.

Are there such properties we can check for $\hat{b}\times\nabla\Phi$ and/or $\hat{b} \times (\hat{b} \times \nabla \Psi)$ ?

Thanks!

--- In harmonicanalysis@yahoogroups.com, "sxsw@..." <sxsw@...> wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Suppose I have a known 3-D vector field $\hat{b}$, is it always possible to express another vector field(Let's call it A) which is perpendicular to this vector field in the following form:
> 
> \begin{equation}
> \vec{A}=\hat{b} \times \nabla \Phi + \hat{b} \times (\hat{b} \times \nabla \Psi)
> \end{equation}
> 
> We can see the above representation certainly guarantees that $\vec{A}$ is perpendicular to $\hat{b}$.
> 
> If the answer is yes, how should one represent $\Phi$ or $\Psi$ in terms of $\vec{A}$?
> 
> If the answer is no, what is the criteria for such representation to be appropriate?
> 
> Thanks!
>






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Hi all, Suppose I have a known 3-D vector field $\hat{b}$, is it always possible to express another vector field(Let's call it A) which is perpendicular to...
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Dear All, Let me ask a related question here: What are the characteristics/properties of a vector field that can be expressed as $\hat{b}\times\nabla\Phi$...
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Dear SXSW, Are you aware of the Helmholtz theorem on general decompositions of vector fields into potentials that are curl free and divergence free (sometimes...
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Apr 20, 2009
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Hi Dr. Afeyan, Yes, I am well aware of that. I totally agree that the field perpendicular to $\hat{b}$ can be decomposed into $\nabla\Phi +...
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Dear All, I think I can put my original question in a cleaner, equivalent form: Given an arbitrary vector field in 3-D, $\vec{A}$, is it always possible to...
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Hello again, It may be illuminating to look at this 1957 paper by Chandrasekhar and Kendall on vector wave equation solutions and their relation to scalar wave...
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