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Re: [hercules-390] Re: posting styles and licensing   Message List  
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Re: [hercules-advocacy] Re: [hercules-390] Re: posting styles and licensing

Jay Maynard wrote:

>I'm certain that if someone is able to say why,
>they'll tell us. Until that point, the pestering and haranguing that goes on
>is neither useful nor appropriate.
>
Your expression of certainty is the logical flaw. Take for instance
eduard@..., the poster with the subject line "I can't ipl from my
OS390 V2.10 using hercules V300". He insisted to the list he had a
license for use on Herc, but the latest to me is he (Eduard Fernández)
after double checking admits " I misunderstand that it was possible to
obtain a specific license for Hercules". So its not the case as you
claim that "if someone is able to say why, they'll tell us". Only
through subsequent questioning is one able to get the true story.

>Stop putting words in my mouth, please.
>
>What I was referring to was IBM's lack of any form of personal-use
>licensing, which is an obvious failing to nearly everyone present on the
>hercules-390 list.
>
>
Funny, the poster was referring to the use of the free loan IBM stack
for commercial development purposes on any linux box, but your claim now
is that your comments in response to his post were about personal-use
licensing. I can't imagine how I got so confused ....

>If someone admits they're running the struff unlicensed, then I doubt
>they'll get any help, as the membership of the list has been quite
>adequately sensitized to the issue.
>
Steve Arnet's earlier post of two days ago: "As for running illegal
code on the Hercules platform, I am 100% guilty and am not afraid to
admit such."

Steve Arnet's latest post an hour ago: "Greg responded with a tip for
tracking down my OS/390 2.8 problem(thanks Greg!) and I am currently
trying to do just that.

Seems your certainty is misplaced there too...


>In the absence of such an admission, we
>do not have sufficient information to reach an informed conclusion, and so I
>leave it up to each individual poster to decide.
>

The question was not about the absence of such an admission, but rather
the policy in the PRESENCE of such an admission, such as Steve's above.
So the question remains:

What do you suggest by way of Herc list policy regarding offering
assistance in the event someone reveals that they are using the software
without a license?





Fri Oct 10, 2003 5:15 pm

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... I'm saying that there's been a lot of folks pestering people who say they're licensed to run IBM software on Hercules. Those people may or may not be able...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 10, 2003
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... Your expression of certainty is the logical flaw. Take for instance eduard@..., the poster with the subject line "I can't ipl from my OS390 V2.10...
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 10, 2003
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... Hello Peter, I almost responded to this specific question on the main list, then thought it would serve no purpose there. So, without further ado. Does the...
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Oct 10, 2003
7:39 pm

... - - - snipped - - - ... - - - snipped - - - I assume that Greg supplied help before Steve posted that he was running illegally. I don't believe that Greg...
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Oct 11, 2003
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... Steve's post wasn't specific on identity, but if we're talking about Greg Smith then I too would assume as you have. ... I've had backchatter on this idea...
Peter D. Ward
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... Steve's later posts were more specific on his identify. IBM should be able to find him. ... I would love to know what FunSoft thinks they are paying for?...
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Oct 12, 2003
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I'm not sure you read my response carefully. Please read it again and then see comments interspersed below -- ... By "identity" I meant Steve's note didn't...
Peter D. Ward
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... "Peter D. Ward" <pdw@m...> wrote: - - - snipped - - - ... Why have you not asked IBM what the patent number that you are paying royalties for is? Why the...
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Oct 12, 2003
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... One thing I must note: I have not, and will not, read any patent which is alleged to be infringed by Hercules, and I strongly recommend no other Hercules...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 12, 2003
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... You are worried about treble damages, but not worried about regular damages? How inconsistent is that?...
Peter D. Ward
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... Because if, somehow, IBM decides to pursue Hercules for an alleged patent infringement, and a court finds that there are recoverable damages, I see no ...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 12, 2003
4:16 pm

... No complaints from me ... I was simply offering one possible explanation as to why licenses to IBM's modern software stack are generally not available....
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 12, 2003
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... We do not know that IBM categorically refuses to license their software on Hercules. In particular, nobody has been able to produce a definitive statement...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 12, 2003
4:35 pm

Hi, ... I was lucky enough to speak to Dr. Aleksandr Shmid about ISX http://www.iissolutions.com at a SHARE conference. It is a real and impressive technology...
Sam Knutson
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Oct 12, 2003
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Sam, Go to the ISX web page you cite and look at their patent (6,530,078). I don't think the case for Hercules running on IBM hardware is strengthened by...
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 12, 2003
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Peter, Remember when we talk patents, that they are national things and that particular patent provides no protection in the country I live in. I also cannot...
David Wade
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Oct 12, 2003
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... I find this a curious argument. Patent royalties are due based on an agreement presumably signed by FSI and IBM - not on the mere existence of a patent or...
tony@...
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Oct 14, 2003
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... Tony, I believe we are in fact saying the same thing --- I was merely pointing out that the platform one runs an emulator on is, under my notion of a...
Peter D. Ward
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... I don't remember anyone saying that, but I may well have missed it. Various people *have* claimed that a copy of z/OS or OS/390 licensed for a particular...
Tony Harminc
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Oct 15, 2003
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... If you have a customer agreement handy covering z/OS, can you look to see if it says anything about IBM having the right to cancel the license at their...
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Oct 16, 2003
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... to ... license ... their ... some ... This is an interesting question, which recently came up in another area... Fortune 500 companies are still largely...
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