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Re: [hercules-390] Re: posting styles and licensing   Message List  
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[hercules-390] Re: posting styles and licensing

--- In hercules-advocacy@yahoogroups.com,
"Peter D. Ward" <pdw@m...> wrote:
> Jay Maynard wrote:
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>>If someone admits they're running the struff
>>unlicensed, then I doubt they'll get any help,
>>as the membership of the list has been quite
>>adequately sensitized to the issue.
>Steve Arnet's earlier post of two days ago:
>"As for running illegal code on the Hercules
>platform, I am 100% guilty and am not afraid
>to admit such."
>Steve Arnet's latest post an hour ago: "Greg
>responded with a tip for tracking down my
>OS/390 2.8 problem(thanks Greg!) and I am
>currently trying to do just that.
>Seems your certainty is misplaced there too...
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I assume that Greg supplied help before
Steve posted that he was running illegally.
I don't believe that Greg knowingly assisted
with illegal activity.

At this point, IBM should track down Steve's
employer and sue the employer for supplying the
software. If they can sue Steve, they should
do that too. It would be nice if IBM could
post the actions that they take, but they won't
be able to.

Peter, you keep missing one point. While
IBM does not issue personal licenses to run
OS/390 under Hercules under Windows, I do have
an OS/390 license for my 9672 and IBM does not
prevent me from running Hercules on it. Some
IBM employees have also used Hercules. Some
apparently with IBM's blessing, some apparently
without IBM's blessing. Both are legal.
If my 9672 melts down, I will call IBM and
declare a disaster and run on anything that I
can run on. When I replace the 9672 with a
Flex box, and the Flex dongle melts down, I
will call IBM and declare a disaster and run
on anything that I can run on.

Under some conditions, people can run OS/390
under Hercules and need to post questions and
report problems. We should not refuse to assist
all users. When someone violates an IBM license,
let IBM take care of it.




Sat Oct 11, 2003 1:02 pm

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... I'm saying that there's been a lot of folks pestering people who say they're licensed to run IBM software on Hercules. Those people may or may not be able...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 10, 2003
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... Your expression of certainty is the logical flaw. Take for instance eduard@..., the poster with the subject line "I can't ipl from my OS390 V2.10...
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 10, 2003
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... Hello Peter, I almost responded to this specific question on the main list, then thought it would serve no purpose there. So, without further ado. Does the...
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Oct 10, 2003
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... - - - snipped - - - ... - - - snipped - - - I assume that Greg supplied help before Steve posted that he was running illegally. I don't believe that Greg...
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Oct 11, 2003
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... Steve's post wasn't specific on identity, but if we're talking about Greg Smith then I too would assume as you have. ... I've had backchatter on this idea...
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 11, 2003
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... Steve's later posts were more specific on his identify. IBM should be able to find him. ... I would love to know what FunSoft thinks they are paying for?...
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I'm not sure you read my response carefully. Please read it again and then see comments interspersed below -- ... By "identity" I meant Steve's note didn't...
Peter D. Ward
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... "Peter D. Ward" <pdw@m...> wrote: - - - snipped - - - ... Why have you not asked IBM what the patent number that you are paying royalties for is? Why the...
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Oct 12, 2003
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... One thing I must note: I have not, and will not, read any patent which is alleged to be infringed by Hercules, and I strongly recommend no other Hercules...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 12, 2003
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... You are worried about treble damages, but not worried about regular damages? How inconsistent is that?...
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 12, 2003
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... Because if, somehow, IBM decides to pursue Hercules for an alleged patent infringement, and a court finds that there are recoverable damages, I see no ...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 12, 2003
4:16 pm

... No complaints from me ... I was simply offering one possible explanation as to why licenses to IBM's modern software stack are generally not available....
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 12, 2003
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... We do not know that IBM categorically refuses to license their software on Hercules. In particular, nobody has been able to produce a definitive statement...
Jay Maynard
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Oct 12, 2003
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Hi, ... I was lucky enough to speak to Dr. Aleksandr Shmid about ISX http://www.iissolutions.com at a SHARE conference. It is a real and impressive technology...
Sam Knutson
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Oct 12, 2003
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Sam, Go to the ISX web page you cite and look at their patent (6,530,078). I don't think the case for Hercules running on IBM hardware is strengthened by...
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 12, 2003
2:47 pm

Peter, Remember when we talk patents, that they are national things and that particular patent provides no protection in the country I live in. I also cannot...
David Wade
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Oct 12, 2003
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... I find this a curious argument. Patent royalties are due based on an agreement presumably signed by FSI and IBM - not on the mere existence of a patent or...
tony@...
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Oct 14, 2003
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... Tony, I believe we are in fact saying the same thing --- I was merely pointing out that the platform one runs an emulator on is, under my notion of a...
Peter D. Ward
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Oct 14, 2003
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... I don't remember anyone saying that, but I may well have missed it. Various people *have* claimed that a copy of z/OS or OS/390 licensed for a particular...
Tony Harminc
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... If you have a customer agreement handy covering z/OS, can you look to see if it says anything about IBM having the right to cancel the license at their...
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Oct 16, 2003
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... to ... license ... their ... some ... This is an interesting question, which recently came up in another area... Fortune 500 companies are still largely...
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