> On 22/10/06, s_vetter_48188 <svetter@...> wrote:
>> --- In hercules-advocacy@yahoogroups.com,
>>"somitcw" <somitcw@> wrote:
>>> --- In hercules-390@yahoogroups.com,
>>>"Phil Dickinson" <phil.dickinson@> wrote:
>>>>On 20/10/06, Enrico Sorichetti <e.sorichetti@> wrote:
>>>>> If by "ispf" you mean the Ispf program product
>>>>>by IBM , well.... it will not run on MVS 3.8.
>>>> If we had an old enough version it would run
>>>>on MVS 3.8J.
>>>> Both SPF and ISPF worked on this old MVS.
>>>> But even if we could find the right distribution
>>>>files, we might have dificulty convincing IBM to
>>>>license its use under hercules.
>>> SPF HPF1102 5668-009 was available in 1980.
>>>Were there earlier SPF releases?
>>> Please answer on hercules-advocacy:
>>> If the copyright is 1980, how many more decades
>>>will it be before it expires?
>>> Could IBM refuse a company that started sending in
>>>monthly or a one-time-charge license fee or fees?
>> Yes there was. About 1979/1980 there was a
>>version called SPF which was an FDP. About 1982
>>or so, SPF was split into two different products:
>>ISPF and PDF.
>> As for making a payment to IBM for SPF (or
>>ISPF/PDF), IBM could return the check stating
>>"no such product". As well as you not having
>>an account with IBM.

If IBM did say "no such product", would that
be a license to use?

If the FDP SPF was one OTC price ( not
graduated charges ), perhaps someone could force
IBM to sell a software license? i.e. Either
accept the money or not, but the software will
be used?

--- In hercules-advocacy@yahoogroups.com,
"Phil Dickinson" <phil.dickinson@...> wrote:
> I have also wondered if it was/is possible to
>transfer a licence from an organisation that
>has paid a OTC for an early version of ispf.
>I believe there was provision for transferring
>licences under the old ibm T&C.
> I recall that you were given the option to move
>to a OTC , from a MLC, as a version matured.
> Old age may have affected my memory.

I have transfered licenses to new machines
even after a product was out of marketing.
Both OTC and MLC license were transfered.
I never heard of a provision to transfer to
a different customer or enterprise. Perhaps
during mergers and company buy-outs, the name
on the customer profile could change?