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Re: Legally Running z/OS on Hercules

--- In hercules-advocacy@yahoogroups.com,
"sccosel" <sccosel@...> wrote:
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> So, here's a new question...
> Is there anyone out there that is (or knows
>of someone) who is legally running z/OS under
>Hercules with IBM's written permission (IBM
>employee users, excluded)? If any IBM
>employees are monitoring this board, they
>are free to answer the question about acutual
>customer usage. I'm not interested in IBM
>internal usage.
>Best Regards, Scott

"I" assUme that "I" can legally run OS/390
under Hercules. For even older software, at
one time we purchased software from IBM.
There was never any trouble transferring
licenses to new systems. Transferring
"purchased" licenses to a PC should be easy.

I am not IBM and I am not a mouth-piece.

Back to my first statement. I run OS/390
2.4.0. The reason it's so old is because we
have been trying to shut the main frame down
since December 1994. I really believe that
we may complete the shut down this year or
next. My OS/390 system runs under the
Flex-ES emulator under SCO Unixware 7 on
an IBM x232 PC. When SCO had issues, the
Flex-ES reseller planned to switch SCO to
Linux. Apparently there was no licensing
issue? If I can switch the base operating
system I see no reason that I could not
switch emulators from the high performance
Flex-ES to the high portable Hercules.
Users would scream and nightly back ups
would take a week but it may be legal as
far as IBM is concerned? I might run afoul
of some Commonwealth statutes concerning
wasting resources but that is not an IBM
licensing issue.

I am not IBM and I am not a mouth-piece.

At one time I considered using Hercules
for disaster recovery. I assUme that IBM
would have approved if asked but I'm
shutting the system down not helping it
spread to new locations.

I am not IBM and I am not a mouth-piece.

I do have two MVS 3.8j systems at work
running under Hercules. They are to allow
access to data after I get the main frame
shut down. Some of our data has a legal
requirement to be available for access for
five years. MVS 3.8j is one of the no-charge
operating systems that runs under Hercules
so IBM shouldn't have an issue.

I am not IBM and I am not a mouth-piece.

Why not define your case and present it
to IBM? My dealings with IBM might not
match your dealings exactly.




Sun Mar 1, 2009 2:27 am

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We would like to know what the requirements are, for legally running z/OS on Hercules. Is there a link or document that can substantiate the explanation? ...
sccosel
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Feb 26, 2009
2:06 am

... I don't think we can provide a link because as I said elsewhere its in the hands of IBM. The only licence I have access to is the one for the zVM Eval and...
David Wade
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Feb 26, 2009
12:15 pm

... I'm not a mouth-piece. Call IBM. IBM owns the software. IBM sets the rules for their software. I'm not a mouth-piece. I don't believe that IBM normally...
somitcw
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Feb 27, 2009
11:55 am

Based upon the answers I have been receiving, I am not encouraged. On the surface, this question seems fairly straight-forward. The designers of Hercules made...
sccosel
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Feb 27, 2009
6:11 pm

People DO run z/OS. Getting a License is the only issue. IBM decided to sue PSI, and stopped issuing / renewing Flex-ES licenses, stranding a lot of...
Mike Schwab
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Feb 27, 2009
7:28 pm

Scott, Firstly the rules have changed. The case was that if you had a P/390 you were allowed to run the software on the physical PC with the P/390 card in it....
Dave Wade
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Feb 27, 2009
7:58 pm

... Perhaps I was not clear enough. It is up to IBM who and under what conditions they authorized people to run their for-charge code and where it can run. I...
somitcw
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Feb 28, 2009
2:12 pm

... You missed the point on this one. I was trying to paint the picture that some people might be using Hercules to clandestinely run z/OS under Hercules with...
sccosel
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Feb 28, 2009
9:40 pm

... "sccosel" <sccosel@...> wrote: - - - old notes snipped - - - ... "I" assUme that "I" can legally run OS/390 under Hercules. For even older software, at ...
somitcw
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Mar 1, 2009
2:27 am

Not to fan the flames, but if Scott wants to ask whether anyone running Hercules has obtained a license from IBM to run z/OS I think a simple response of yes,...
vencain
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Mar 3, 2009
2:53 am

'User community' ? Isn't that this mailing list ? ... The statement below is true. The statement above is false. ... From: vencain <vencain@...> ...
Stan Saraczewski
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Mar 3, 2009
2:57 am

Yes. My point was that telling folks to try and locate someone within IBM as to whether any of this group's members were allowed to run z/OS under Hercules...
vencain
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Mar 4, 2009
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... The problem is that the authoritative answer can only come from IBM. There have been users in the past outside IBM who were authorized to run z/OS on ...
Jay Maynard
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Mar 4, 2009
3:19 am

You won't get a definitive answer here. ... The statement below is true. The statement above is false. ... From: vencain <vencain@...> Subject:...
Stan Saraczewski
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Mar 4, 2009
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I sometimes think that IBM invented the "NDR" (non-disclosure agreement) but I expect that any legal use of zOS, zVM or zVSE, be it within IBM or by a ...
Dave Wade
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Mar 4, 2009
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... When I worked at IBM many years ago customer data was confidential. Any IBM'er responding to this would probably become an ex-IBM'er. Laddie...
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