I got a priciple that has a high chance of success. If you interested my yahoo
ID is saturn132001 and you can e-mail me directly.
Thanks for interest


--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, "morphonius_821" <morphonius821@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all...
>
> Just a few newbie questions...(i've been wading through a few gig worth of
free energy stuff that i downloaded over the last few weeks and i really would
enjoy building one of these magnetic motors but of course i realize the failure
rate seems to be very high.)
>
> And my first question would be:
> 1) is there anyone on this list that has a working model of the HJ Motor?
> 2) I.E as i noticed that this forum started in 2002 or something and still
there is no plans up on the "http://peswiki.com/energy/OS:Magnetic_Motors:HJ"
website??? (or im blind LOL)
>
> So i have to conclude that either no-one has succeeded or that anyone who has
is deliberately not sharing (which is counter to the whole point of such a group
as this and to open source generally.)
>
> - - - - - -
> Some more thoughts (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)...
> But i get the feeling that the whole idea of the HJ motor seems to be a quirk
of the arrangement of the magnets (that supposedly works)but which none the less
reminds me a lot of those(novelty shop)gravity fed "perpetual motion" wheels I
have seen that has ball bearings rolling in curved slots around a circular wheel
and seems to look like its working (until you notice the little pulley at the
back).
>
> I.E. and perhaps with his magnets a similar idea to this has somehow been
achieved via a different medium...???
> It this right? I.E..
> I guess im wondering if the HJ motor has any back emf circuit like the bedini
motor or if it is just purely propelled by permanent magnets?
>

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I have sent e-mail to everyone who replyed to my message.

--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, "saturn132001" <atlantida2005@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> I just joined and I am looking for a chat about pernament magnetic motors. I designed a few systems and looking for someone to test them. I got severe health problems which do not allow me to build.
>
> Or very rarely.
>
> I been doing this looking for people whom I can trust. I have found a few, but they are only interesting in making money patenting and selling.
>
> Is here anyone here who can answer me?
>
> thank you
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--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, "saturn132001" <atlantida2005@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> I just joined and I am looking for a chat about pernament magnetic motors. I
designed a few systems and looking for someone to test them. I got severe health
problems which do not allow me to build.
>
> Or very rarely.
>
> I been doing this looking for people whom I can trust. I have found a few, but
they are only interesting in making money patenting and selling.
>
> Is here anyone here who can answer me?
>
> thank you
>

Hello

I just joined and I am looking for a chat about pernament magnetic motors. I
designed a few systems and looking for someone to test them. I got severe health
problems which do not allow me to build.

Or very rarely.

I been doing this looking for people whom I can trust. I have found a few, but
they are only interesting in making money patenting and selling.

Is here anyone here who can answer me?

thank you

Daniel cell and absurdities of modern science


A critique analysis of Daniel's cell is provided at following link (improved):

http://www.elkadot.com/chemistry/Daniel%20cell%20and%20the%20salt%20bridge.htm

The old Daniel cell and some of its variants have not get a coherent explanation
in actual orthodox science.

A modern variant, using a salt bridge between half cells, is found to be
non-functional. More precisely, the salt bridge, formed by an inert salt, does
not participate at general reaction chain, so no reaction takes place inside
such cell. Such cell can be leaved in short-circuit position for months without
a significant consume of electrodes or without solution color modification. Of
course, in this case, there is a small residual current due to the reaction
between Zn and water, but this is a secondary reaction and not the expected
reaction able to produce the expected current.

  Further, the actual explanation can be proved to be false using simple chemical
reactions able to be performed in any low level school laboratory.

Regards,
Sorin Cosofret

Ionization energy, work function and absurdity of modern science

The neglected ionization energy variation for isoelectronic series can reveal
more useful information about electrons structure; the problem is these data are
in contradiction with actual quantum theory.
The quantum prediction for work functions values are in contradiction with
experiments; for metals, ionization energy and work function must be equal but
in reality they are not.
For other classes of compounds quantum mechanic fails again to predict
something. A striking example is the case of metallic oxides having work
functions values smaller then metals. It is outrageous how a covalent or ionic
bound liberate electrons easier then a metallic bound in frame of actual
physics.

The improved link:
http://www.elkadot.com/chemistry/Ionization%20energy%20and%20work%20function.htm

I think the message can to be posted on all kinds of physics and chemistry
discussion groups as far is dealing with foundation of our modern science.

Regards
Sorin Cosofret

--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, "Hayden Pryor" <haydenpryor@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a simple, and actually Useful, software program that you
can create multiple magnetic shapes and manipulate them in order to test how
their magnetic field are effecting one another and the space around them? I
would love to hear about a program where you could actually see the fields of
multiple objects and be able to manipulate their spacing and orientation about
3D space. Ideally, I wish to know of a program that can import AutoCAD 3D shapes
and assign them a magnification level and polarity at will. I have everything
that I need to create the perfect device. I don't, however, enjoy trial and
error methods. I want to input the data that I have and get out my feedback.
> Please, if anyone knows of such software please share. I can help others learn
all that I know aswell. You scratch my back i'll scratch yours.
> Thanks for your time,
> Hayden
>

I'm afraid they won't program it so that the forces are unequal, if you read
about Johnsons 4 pole in a magnet theory well it's true.

Read that, the universe is a overunity perpetual motion machine, it is without
beginning and is without end so the universe has already existed forever.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18980388/Differentials-Final-DavidSereda2008

--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, "Hayden Pryor" <haydenpryor@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a simple, and actually Useful, software program that you
can create multiple magnetic shapes and manipulate them in order to test how
their magnetic field are effecting one another and the space around them?

...{snip}/{unsnip}

> Please, if anyone knows of such software please share. I can help others learn
all that I know aswell. You scratch my back i'll scratch yours.
> Thanks for your time,
> Hayden
>

One program that is used heavily on overunity.com is FEMM:

http://femm.foster-miller.net/wiki/HomePage

A link on that page points to other valuable sites. As you referred
to FEMM is a 2D program that can give errors attempting to solve
3D systems, but it may be a place to start. People use scripts
to convert FEMM into a design solution generating mechanism that
uses the simulator to evaluate magnetic forces.

Hayden, what you are looking for is the correct thing.
Magnetic forces are very non-intuitive, if one had a program
that could calculate the magnetic forces *accurately* and it was
easy to draft a machine design, one could use standard physics
calculations for the rest of the machine. The problem is one
needs to the able to create a design that has exact block
repetition and exact points. As you may know getting experimenters
to give magnetics data from their experiments is like "pulling
teeth".

So there you go...back officially scratched.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Does anyone know of a simple, and actually Useful, software program that you can
create multiple magnetic shapes and manipulate them in order to test how their
magnetic field are effecting one another and the space around them? I would love
to hear about a program where you could actually see the fields of multiple
objects and be able to manipulate their spacing and orientation about 3D space.
Ideally, I wish to know of a program that can import AutoCAD 3D shapes and
assign them a magnification level and polarity at will. I have everything that I
need to create the perfect device. I don't, however, enjoy trial and error
methods. I want to input the data that I have and get out my feedback.
Please, if anyone knows of such software please share. I can help others learn
all that I know aswell. You scratch my back i'll scratch yours.
Thanks for your time,
Hayden

--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, gilbert chartrand <gilreads@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning Alex Stevens,
>
> If one wants to see a straight line stator, one only needs to visit
> Vancouver and ride the Sky Train.  The train is propelled magnetically only
> and the track is the stator.  Check out the Vancouver sites on the Internet
> and be amazed at what you will find.
>
> Thoughtfully yours,  Mr. Gil Chartrand
>
--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, gilbert chartrand <gilreads@...> wrote:
>
> Good morning Alex Stevens,
>
> If one wants to see a straight line stator, one only needs to visit
> Vancouver and ride the Sky Train.  The train is propelled magnetically only
> and the track is the stator.  Check out the Vancouver sites on the Internet
> and be amazed at what you will find.
>
> Thoughtfully yours,  Mr. Gil Chartrand
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 4:03 PM, alex stevens <alexardm@...> wrote:
>
Sir;

As in most electric motors a source of energy is needed to
power a motor and *linear induction motors* are no different

If one looks up the SkyTrain in Wikipedia one finds the information
in list Appendix below. The Skytrain uses an AC linear induction
motor where the rotor is essentially unrolled beneath the train
and attached to the track, therefore the train chassis is the only moving part.

This motor still requires electrical power but acts against the
external linear stator.

The HJ motor uses pure magnets so is on a different topic.

---
Appendix;
From Vancouver Sky Train entry in Wikipedia;

Rolling stock

The Expo and Millennium Lines use Bombardier's Advanced Rapid Transit
(ART) technology, a system of automated trains driven by linear
induction motors. The fleet is made up of 210 ART cars (150 Mark I and
60 Mark II): the original 114 Mark I cars from 1984–1986, which have
run an average of more than 3.2 million kilometres apiece;

---

From another web site;
Definition of linear induction motor:

The train is propelled by magnetic forces acting against currents
induced in a conductive strip located between the rails, essentially
pulling itself along without requiring a motor with moving parts.

:S:MarkSCoffman

--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, alex stevens <alexardm@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Morphonious 812,
> ￜￜￜFirst, in response to your mail reguarding building a working
prototype based upon the past works of Howard Johnson, I would strongly caution
youï¿œnot try to replicate a PMM,similar to the "STONEHENGE" model .Many have
tried and all have failed,and you being new at the game would be most likely to
fail as well. I'm not saying this to discourage you from trying to build a PMM
that works,only to abandon any attempt ,
> by yourself, to replicate the above mentioned "STONEHENGE" model.

---

from: Mark Coffman

I fully agree with Alex Stevens on this. The problem with
some beginners is that they may not accept that at least
*some* magnetic systems are 100% conservative, even though I
admit maybe not necessarily all.

Those SMOT tracks and those Magnetic carts are based on traversing
the Magnetic gradient, which is energy you get from a magnetic array
if you sort the magnets by strength of their field, since no two
magnets will have exactly the same strength this sorting will
always be possible.

But unless you have magnetic energy gain *above the gradient
energy* no net energy could be extracted from the system. For
example at the end of the track you are obviously going to have
to either supply the energy going from the strongest magnet back
to the weakest magnet in one single step or you could push the
cart backward along the incremental gradient slope formed of
each individual gradient step the sum of which is exactly the
same energy as you got from going forward.

This is known as a reversible system and is intuitively how
static interacting magnetic fields work. One does not expect
for example to have a magnetic field effect something more
strongly as it moves faster in the field. With magnets you
always expect the same effects with different velocities.

To have a permanet magnetic motor work it has to be an
irreversible system which will require some mechanism that
allows the investment of some of the energy from the forward
motion to cause the magnetic trajectory path backward to
beginning of the array to be different from that which it
took initially.

This requires some sort of change to occur in the field strength
and therefore some sort of mechanism and therefore; The Dual
Fixed Static Field Rotor/Stator Permanent Magnetic Motors cannot
possibly work. I happen to believe in several forms of overunity
energy but having your average fixed rotor-stator magnetic motor
work is simply fantasy.

Now, Naysayers would probably comment that irreversablity is going
to always cost all of the energy you gain by going forward with
the sorted gradient initially. I'm not so sure about that, but at
least an irreversable motor has a Snowball's Chance in Hatties
of working while a magnetic path reversible one does not.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

Yeah thanks for the reply...(just following on from this)
I agree that it would be pointless to construct anything with out proof of
concept. (the train experiment)

Some things that did occur to me:
I saw this video up on the web "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndRrCZiM1CU"
  showing the dood who invented it shooting a train car out of a huge railway
tunnel which seemed to be a small coffee table sized solid wad of magnets...!
Which to me didn't really say much as that thing was so massive that its
impossible to see whats going on and in any event... this train track thing
would need to be demonstrated on a very simple track with comparatively very
much smaller magnets to impress any likely hood of viability upon me.
(not saying that its a fraud or anything but to be truly impartial one has to
keep one's mind open to the possibility at least that, not that magnetic engines
are impossible so much as that this particular one could very well be a
disinformation Op.
As those with the power and inclination to bury something such as this would not
be above using such tactics to divide people into groups of "sheep" each chasing
un-obtainable goals. I.E to stage and manufacture a myth and then bury it...ETC.

Not that i'm in possession of any information one way or the other but on has to
approach these things with one's wits about them and not waste precious efforts
running down blind alleys....
This is why the train track experiment is a crucial one.

"http://www.magnetmotor.at/wissen/hj/hj-de.html"
This guy's first video seems promising the other configurations seem less
effective to me anyway but gee i got to brush up on my german :)
But he does seem to have some pdf blueprints on that site.

I would like to think he has not got a compressed air gun...
Looks promising though...






--- In HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com, alex stevens <alexardm@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Morphonious 812,
>    First, in response to your mail reguarding building a working prototype
based upon the past works of Howard Johnson, I would strongly caution you not
try to replicate a PMM,similar to the "STONEHENGE" model .Many have tried and
all have failed,and you being new at the game would be most likely to fail as
well. I'm not saying this to discourage you from trying to build a PMM that
works,only to abandon any attempt ,
> by yourself, to replicate the above mentioned "STONEHENGE" model.
>          THAT BEING SAID.........
> Secondly,
>          Your idea of creating a motor based on H.J.'s Linear Track Experiment
seams to me to be a plausable endevure. Logic would state that "IF" a "Magnetic
Car" can "In Fact" accelerate along a "Magnetic Straight Track", then it also
would be logical that a "Magnetic Car" would do the same on an "Endless Track",
configured in a circle. I've often thought of this before and find it hard to
understand why I haven't been able to find any any evidence of anyone trying to
build a PMM, using this concept.
>       IF I WHERE GOING TO TRY.......
>  FIRST;  I would re-create the straight line Linear Track Experiment on a
scale (size) that would be used in the construction of the Circular Linear Track
Motor prototype. Only after the accomplishment of the Linear Track Experiment
would it be possible to take the "Project" forward.
> At this point one would know HOW to build the "Magnetic Car"(that would be a
component of the Rotor) and one would know how to build the "Magnetic Circular
Linear Track"(that would be the Stator)
>
> Secondly,
>       Based upon all information accquired from the "EXPERIMENT",I would draw
up plans for the motor's construction.. I would think a prototype measuring
between 24" to 36" in diameter would be adequate. 
>   IN REGUARDS TO DESIGN............
>  The Stator,(circular track)would be stationary and look similar to a Squirrel
Cage.
>
>  The Rotor,(Magnetic Car) would run along the circumfrence of the stationary
Magnetic Circular Track. It should be noted that a "DUMMY"(Magnetic Car) of
equal weight,positioned opposite the working Magnetic Car will be nessessary to
be part of the Rotor Assembly for the purpose of balance.
> "IF" by chance the prototype should
> "RUN" (or try to) in this configuration,replacing the "DUMMY"
> (Magnetic Car) with a working Magnetic Car might become an option. In the
event you should go forward in trying to build a Permanent Magnet Motor (PMM)
using some form of the Linear Track Concept, I can only wish you luck with your
venture.
>   A FEW WORDS ABOUT MYSELF......
>   For over 20 years I persued building a PMM of my own design that to date
dose not run. I don't consider my work on this to be a total failure as I have
learned much during the process, and still remain optimistic that the day will
come when somebody does create a PMM motor that will pass the scrutiny of the
Scientific Community. Perhaps YOU will be the one who does it............
>                              Sincerely,
>                           Alex Stevens
>                    Free Energy Researcher
> Amalgamated Research,Design& Machine Works  
>                 alexardm@...
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>

I just noticed the blue prints up there in the files section...
And i noticed that the same blue prints are up
"http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/index.html"
here with the caption "(not adequate to build working unit)"
I.E These plans will lead you up a blind alley (ouch)

It occurred to me that if this thing is legit (which i really hope it is... the
world is much more fun that way)....

Then success is probably absolutely dependent on an extremely well optimized
design (probably requiring one to optimize the whole design to suit the
individual properties of the off the shelf components with which most of us are
probably going to be going for)as the whole system must be extremely fussy (or
else there would be more success) on any number of factors...

And since allot of these key factors are already "set in stone" in this blue
print (which does not work)... then people who are perhaps allot less critical
(than my last statement is) would build this in the vane hope that a few tweaks
may furnish them with success...

When in fact factors which are not possible to easily modify (bar totally
starting again) may in fact be required to ensure success.

So logic would dictate that before drawing a blueprint or attempting to build
anything, the first steps should be.....

To replicate the linear (train track) experiment.... as this is in fact proof of
the whole concept! And orders of magnitude easier.

If that little train can be made to shoot off like a rail gun... only then
should one consider figuring out how to wrap it around a cylinder and make a
motor out of it....

IE... starting to build the motor first with-out first confirming this initial
train track experiment works (proving the concept)would be unwise.

And it makes double sense when you consider that it is important to ascertain
weather or not this simpler experiment is in fact reproducible with the very
same magnets (or very similar ones) with which you you intend to build your
first working prototype motor.

So with that in mind... as a group (provided no-one else has already nailed
this)....

We should be rallying together and reproducing this first....

I have some ideas on this...

Fist thing would be to buy say 20 bar magnets of the type required and also a
crescent magnet......in roughly the right proportions and see if in any possible
arrangement this "rail gun" effect can be achieved....

I would (if i had any tools and or the any skill whatever with them)...
Build a jig and lay out the magnets like railway sleepers and then a bar running
down either side to clamp them down on either side.
This would allow one to unscrew and and adjust to different spacings....

Also for the track for the train you would have to construct something on screws
that could be wound up and down to vary the clearance distance of the train car
with the "crescent magnet".....

This way (if this whole thing is legit) one would imagine that it should be
possible to replicate this experiment and also determine the best spacing and
clearance for the magnets which you have purchased....

Only when this information is known would it be prudent to progress to a motor
construction....

If this can-not be achieved then how would you expect the motor to work?

Hi all...

Just a few newbie questions...(i've been wading through a few gig worth of free
energy stuff that i downloaded over the last few weeks and i really would enjoy
building one of these magnetic motors but of course i realize the failure rate
seems to be very high.)

And my first question would be:
1) is there anyone on this list that has a working model of the HJ Motor?
2) I.E as i noticed that this forum started in 2002 or something and still there
is no plans up on the "http://peswiki.com/energy/OS:Magnetic_Motors:HJ"
website??? (or im blind LOL)

So i have to conclude that either no-one has succeeded or that anyone who has is
deliberately not sharing (which is counter to the whole point of such a group as
this and to open source generally.)

- - - - - -
Some more thoughts (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)...
But i get the feeling that the whole idea of the HJ motor seems to be a quirk of
the arrangement of the magnets (that supposedly works)but which none the less
reminds me a lot of those(novelty shop)gravity fed "perpetual motion" wheels I
have seen that has ball bearings rolling in curved slots around a circular wheel
and seems to look like its working (until you notice the little pulley at the
back).

I.E. and perhaps with his magnets a similar idea to this has somehow been
achieved via a different medium...???
It this right? I.E..
I guess im wondering if the HJ motor has any back emf circuit like the bedini
motor or if it is just purely propelled by permanent magnets?

Compton Effect and absurdities of modern physics


	 An improved discussion about absurdities in actual explanation of Compton
effect is available at:

	 http://www.elkadot.com/corpuscular/Compton%20effect%20revised.htm

	 The actual Compton formula is analyzed and is found in contradiction with
quantum theory.
	 The distribution of energy after collision is found in contradiction with
elastic collision concepts for photon energy equal with 0,6MeV.
	 The photon scattering in case of higher energy incoming photons is found in
contradiction with elastic collision concepts.

	 It is foreseen a further revision of Compton Effect in physical-chemistry book.

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