Hi Coders,

Long time no see!  I've been off radar dealing with twin boys (now
6months old) and economic collapse, but am sort of coming out the other
side :-)

I have this crazy idea to try and re-start honolulu coders, but hold
meetings in Second Life:

http://www.techhui.com/group/secondlife

Ken Mayer and I have been experimenting with streaming live desktop
images into SL, and although we haven't perfected that, we can show
powerpoints and do voice chat in SL.

You may think I'm crazy, but I think the big thing that SL has going for
it is spatial audio so that multiple sub-groups of people can have
conversations and people can wonder around listening to different
conversations making it possible to have a mixer, or networking event.

Anyhow, let me know what you think.  If you have an SL avatar already
send me the name so I can add you to the access list for our island (we
hope to make it public once we've done some more refurbishment).  If you
don't have an SL account do consider getting one:

https://join.secondlife.com/

If you have ideas for coding related stuff you'd like to present on
please let me know.  I'm thinking about presenting on Android and/or
Twitter and Ken has a few areas such as cucumber, capistrano and
haml/sass that he could present on.

We haven't set a date yet as we are still working to see if we can get
live desktop streaming working (as that would rock), but I am giving
tours of our SL island every Thursday at noon if you want to drop by and
see the space and chat to me about ideas.

I've also created a TechHui group:
http://www.techhui.com/group/honolulucoders

CHEERS> SAM

--
Sam Joseph, Ph.D.
Laboratory for Interactive Learning Technologies
Department of Information and Computer Sciences
University of Hawaii

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--
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I mentioned this idea to Sam and he encouraged me to bring it up as a
honolulu coders topic. At first I thought I should do my homework and
make a good start on exploring my own question, but then I decided to
be a documentarian (lazy) and include my research process as part of
the discussion. This post is just a description of the raw idea as it
popped out of my brain.

Sometimes when I am doing something and it blows up, I can google the
error message/description and the top hit will contain a suggestion
that solves my problem. Magic! Other times, I get a million hits which
are mostly redundant references to some forum post where someone just
like me is complaining about encountering this error and begging for
help, receiving none. Or even more frustrating, that sort of post,
followed by 'never mind, I figured it out" with no hint of what the
solution might be.

Seems to me there should/could be a web site or technique for
aggregating this sort of thing and winnowing out the useless stuff and
giving recognition and high visibility to stuff that actually provides
a solution. Maybe this exists already and I need to find out about it?
Google is great, but I can't believe it is the best we could do.

Obviously, if I am the person who posted to some forum post describing
the problem, I can post a follow-up linking to a solution or just
describing it. That's what we've got now. Or I could reply to someone
else's post if comments are still allowed. Sometimes they are not, or
you have to go through an annoying sign-up/login, and even then there
is no commonly accepted way to try to claim loudly "here is the
solution to that!" or "this guy knows nothing!"

Possible to use del.icio.us, sort of? I want to be able to search
del.icio.us for the error message, combined with a special tag such as
'solution', and have it take me straight to the goods. Unfortunately,
del.icio.us's search mechanism only works on tags? So Maybe a mashup
of google search and del.icio.us (or one of del.icio.us's many
competitors/addons/mashups)?

We could generalize it into a sort of hyper hyper linking/searching,
where I am able to say "this url is related to that url in this way"
specifically, "the problem described at this URL is solved at that URL
and it worked for me" or "that URL claims to solve the problem
described in this URL but it didn't work for me." Or even "don't waste
your time reading this URL." So I would enter the error message or
other description of my problem, hit a button, and get a list of hits
that describe something 'similar' paired with hits that claim to solve
the problem. If there's no solution, it should be easy to add one, or
to elaborate on an existing solution.

There could be a form to help people categorize and describe the
problem. Ideally, the taxonomy of symptoms would emerge from the
efforts of the various solution seekers to describe their problems and
the eventual solutions. Stuff that got used more would be more
visible.

There does exist a way to find out what tags have been put on a page
in del.icio.us, though I think it might not be part of del.icio.us
itself but a separate mashup deal. That might provide a sufficient
mechanism.

I've never even looked at digg, could it be used for this somehow?
There needs to be a rating system so that spammers and trolls can't
pollute the info environment. Solutions could also be rated, from
'noob can do' to 'requires mad skills.'

Of course, there are some error messages that are just too general. If
I am compiling a java program and I get a syntax error, I don't think
this thing would help me much. But even there, it might help a newbie
by adding a human-readable suggestion such as "You've probably made a
typographical error or put some punctuation in the wrong place, you
need to check the code word by word, character by character, and make
sure it is legal. You might try commenting out some statements until
it compiles, then add them back in until you figure out what the
compiler is complaining about."

Hope this is interesting. Comments?
Dave

--On July 11, 2009 10:38:43 AM -1000 Dave Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:

> I mentioned this idea to Sam and he encouraged me to bring it up as a
> honolulu coders topic. At first I thought I should do my homework and
> make a good start on exploring my own question, but then I decided to
> be a documentarian (lazy) and include my research process as part of
> the discussion. This post is just a description of the raw idea as it
> popped out of my brain.
>
> Sometimes when I am doing something and it blows up, I can google the
> error message/description and the top hit will contain a suggestion
> that solves my problem. Magic! Other times, I get a million hits which
> are mostly redundant references to some forum post where someone just
> like me is complaining about encountering this error and begging for
> help, receiving none. Or even more frustrating, that sort of post,
> followed by 'never mind, I figured it out" with no hint of what the
> solution might be.
>
> Seems to me there should/could be a web site or technique for
> aggregating this sort of thing and winnowing out the useless stuff and
> giving recognition and high visibility to stuff that actually provides
> a solution. Maybe this exists already and I need to find out about it?
> Google is great, but I can't believe it is the best we could do.
>
> Obviously, if I am the person who posted to some forum post describing
> the problem, I can post a follow-up linking to a solution or just
> describing it. That's what we've got now. Or I could reply to someone
> else's post if comments are still allowed. Sometimes they are not, or
> you have to go through an annoying sign-up/login, and even then there
> is no commonly accepted way to try to claim loudly "here is the
> solution to that!" or "this guy knows nothing!"
>
> Possible to use del.icio.us, sort of? I want to be able to search
> del.icio.us for the error message, combined with a special tag such as
> 'solution', and have it take me straight to the goods. Unfortunately,
> del.icio.us's search mechanism only works on tags? So Maybe a mashup
> of google search and del.icio.us (or one of del.icio.us's many
> competitors/addons/mashups)?
>
> We could generalize it into a sort of hyper hyper linking/searching,
> where I am able to say "this url is related to that url in this way"
> specifically, "the problem described at this URL is solved at that URL
> and it worked for me" or "that URL claims to solve the problem
> described in this URL but it didn't work for me." Or even "don't waste
> your time reading this URL." So I would enter the error message or
> other description of my problem, hit a button, and get a list of hits
> that describe something 'similar' paired with hits that claim to solve
> the problem. If there's no solution, it should be easy to add one, or
> to elaborate on an existing solution.
>
> There could be a form to help people categorize and describe the
> problem. Ideally, the taxonomy of symptoms would emerge from the
> efforts of the various solution seekers to describe their problems and
> the eventual solutions. Stuff that got used more would be more
> visible.
>
> There does exist a way to find out what tags have been put on a page
> in del.icio.us, though I think it might not be part of del.icio.us
> itself but a separate mashup deal. That might provide a sufficient
> mechanism.
>
> I've never even looked at digg, could it be used for this somehow?
> There needs to be a rating system so that spammers and trolls can't
> pollute the info environment. Solutions could also be rated, from
> 'noob can do' to 'requires mad skills.'
>
> Of course, there are some error messages that are just too general. If
> I am compiling a java program and I get a syntax error, I don't think
> this thing would help me much. But even there, it might help a newbie
> by adding a human-readable suggestion such as "You've probably made a
> typographical error or put some punctuation in the wrong place, you
> need to check the code word by word, character by character, and make
> sure it is legal. You might try commenting out some statements until
> it compiles, then add them back in until you figure out what the
> compiler is complaining about."
>
> Hope this is interesting. Comments?
> Dave

I actually worked on this problem back in 1999, though in the mailing list
space. I developed a system called MCS that allowed a human editor to
condense a mailing list and add metadata like keywords (question, answer,
etc). It never made it past the point of a research project, so I mention
it mostly for curiosity's sake.

<http://csdl.ics.hawaii.edu/Plone/research/mcs>

Stack Overflow is the closest site I can think of to the solution you are
proposing. It's like reddit/digg but for programming questions, with
tagging, etc. It's designed to handle questions that are entered on the
site, not questions anywhere on the web, so it's far less ambitious than
your proposal.

<http://stackoverflow.com/>

--
Robert Brewer
http://excitedcuriosity.wordpress.com/

Google has pointed me at some sites where you can post a question and
then say which answers were valuable (awarding points).  However, in
general, I think it's hard to beat Google itself.  It indexes blogs and
the archives of mailing lists like this, where anyone can post links to
questions and answers without needing any microformat.


Robert Brewer wrote:
> --On July 11, 2009 10:38:43 AM -1000 Dave Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:
>
>
>> I mentioned this idea to Sam and he encouraged me to bring it up as a
>> honolulu coders topic. At first I thought I should do my homework and
>> make a good start on exploring my own question, but then I decided to
>> be a documentarian (lazy) and include my research process as part of
>> the discussion. This post is just a description of the raw idea as it
>> popped out of my brain.
>>
>> Sometimes when I am doing something and it blows up, I can google the
>> error message/description and the top hit will contain a suggestion
>> that solves my problem. Magic! Other times, I get a million hits which
>> are mostly redundant references to some forum post where someone just
>> like me is complaining about encountering this error and begging for
>> help, receiving none. Or even more frustrating, that sort of post,
>> followed by 'never mind, I figured it out" with no hint of what the
>> solution might be.
>>
>> Seems to me there should/could be a web site or technique for
>> aggregating this sort of thing and winnowing out the useless stuff and
>> giving recognition and high visibility to stuff that actually provides
>> a solution. Maybe this exists already and I need to find out about it?
>> Google is great, but I can't believe it is the best we could do.
>>
>> Obviously, if I am the person who posted to some forum post describing
>> the problem, I can post a follow-up linking to a solution or just
>> describing it. That's what we've got now. Or I could reply to someone
>> else's post if comments are still allowed. Sometimes they are not, or
>> you have to go through an annoying sign-up/login, and even then there
>> is no commonly accepted way to try to claim loudly "here is the
>> solution to that!" or "this guy knows nothing!"
>>
>> Possible to use del.icio.us, sort of? I want to be able to search
>> del.icio.us for the error message, combined with a special tag such as
>> 'solution', and have it take me straight to the goods. Unfortunately,
>> del.icio.us's search mechanism only works on tags? So Maybe a mashup
>> of google search and del.icio.us (or one of del.icio.us's many
>> competitors/addons/mashups)?
>>
>> We could generalize it into a sort of hyper hyper linking/searching,
>> where I am able to say "this url is related to that url in this way"
>> specifically, "the problem described at this URL is solved at that URL
>> and it worked for me" or "that URL claims to solve the problem
>> described in this URL but it didn't work for me." Or even "don't waste
>> your time reading this URL." So I would enter the error message or
>> other description of my problem, hit a button, and get a list of hits
>> that describe something 'similar' paired with hits that claim to solve
>> the problem. If there's no solution, it should be easy to add one, or
>> to elaborate on an existing solution.
>>
>> There could be a form to help people categorize and describe the
>> problem. Ideally, the taxonomy of symptoms would emerge from the
>> efforts of the various solution seekers to describe their problems and
>> the eventual solutions. Stuff that got used more would be more
>> visible.
>>
>> There does exist a way to find out what tags have been put on a page
>> in del.icio.us, though I think it might not be part of del.icio.us
>> itself but a separate mashup deal. That might provide a sufficient
>> mechanism.
>>
>> I've never even looked at digg, could it be used for this somehow?
>> There needs to be a rating system so that spammers and trolls can't
>> pollute the info environment. Solutions could also be rated, from
>> 'noob can do' to 'requires mad skills.'
>>
>> Of course, there are some error messages that are just too general. If
>> I am compiling a java program and I get a syntax error, I don't think
>> this thing would help me much. But even there, it might help a newbie
>> by adding a human-readable suggestion such as "You've probably made a
>> typographical error or put some punctuation in the wrong place, you
>> need to check the code word by word, character by character, and make
>> sure it is legal. You might try commenting out some statements until
>> it compiles, then add them back in until you figure out what the
>> compiler is complaining about."
>>
>> Hope this is interesting. Comments?
>> Dave
>>
>
> I actually worked on this problem back in 1999, though in the mailing list
> space. I developed a system called MCS that allowed a human editor to
> condense a mailing list and add metadata like keywords (question, answer,
> etc). It never made it past the point of a research project, so I mention
> it mostly for curiosity's sake.
>
> <http://csdl.ics.hawaii.edu/Plone/research/mcs>
>
> Stack Overflow is the closest site I can think of to the solution you are
> proposing. It's like reddit/digg but for programming questions, with
> tagging, etc. It's designed to handle questions that are entered on the
> site, not questions anywhere on the web, so it's far less ambitious than
> your proposal.
>
> <http://stackoverflow.com/>
>
>

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM, J. David Beutel<jdb@...> wrote:
> Google has pointed me at some sites where you can post a question and
> then say which answers were valuable (awarding points).

I think that the solution to nearly any problem I encounter exists
somewhere on the web, and that google can find it (in nearly every
case) if I search for words from the error message, but the problem is
that it will also find many other pages which are no help.

From your brief description, I think those sites seem limited because
they ignore the pre-existing answers out there on the web. That is the
gold I want to mine.

> general, I think it's hard to beat Google itself.

Certainly google is spectacular at finding stuff, but have you really
never felt frustrated trying to separate the wheat from the chaff? It
seems to me there ought to be a way to help google find the answer I
am looking for, some way for people using it to guide it toward the
better answers and away from the less good. Google tries to do this to
some extent, putting the 'best' hits at the top. I think they could
use some help.

I vaguely remember some web service that let people add metadata to
any page they visited, and others using the same service could see the
various comments. I guess it must've flopped or I would not have
forgotten it. Probably attracted too much spam.

Maybe a google mashup that adds some tags or icons or ratings to the
hits. If there is no 'the answer' yet, it lets me nominate one. I want
to do this both because it will remember it for me so I can fix the
same problem again in the future and so it will help out others. If
'the answer' already exists, I can just grab it. It should let me fine
tune things, such as 'this did *not* work for me, I think its because
my machine is x and I am running version y of software z, here is the
answer that worked for me.'

I think a sort of language might emerge, a language for describing
problems and solutions and demarcating the boundaries. It might start
showing up in the original articles as metadata, at which point google
would be good enough.

Dave

google has certainly not solved the "separate the wheat from the
chaff" problem.

one problem with your proposed "annotation service" is the ephemeral
nature of the web.  once you've identified the "gold" out there in the
wild, you need to ensure it doesn't vanish.  that leads to a
centralized repository of some sort, and once you've got that you're
probably better off just soliciting new answers from the start.

I'll once again mention stackoverflow, because I've found intelligent
answers there and even, on the one occasion where I actually asked a
question myself, an answer from a fellow honolulu-coder:

  
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/917526/how-can-all-activerecord-attribute-acc\
essors-be-wrapped


On Jul 12, 2009, at 2:32 PM, David Burns wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM, J. David Beutel<jdb@...>
> wrote:
>> Google has pointed me at some sites where you can post a question and
>> then say which answers were valuable (awarding points).
>
> I think that the solution to nearly any problem I encounter exists
> somewhere on the web, and that google can find it (in nearly every
> case) if I search for words from the error message, but the problem is
> that it will also find many other pages which are no help.
>
> From your brief description, I think those sites seem limited because
> they ignore the pre-existing answers out there on the web. That is the
> gold I want to mine.
>
>> general, I think it's hard to beat Google itself.
>
> Certainly google is spectacular at finding stuff, but have you really
> never felt frustrated trying to separate the wheat from the chaff? It
> seems to me there ought to be a way to help google find the answer I
> am looking for, some way for people using it to guide it toward the
> better answers and away from the less good. Google tries to do this to
> some extent, putting the 'best' hits at the top. I think they could
> use some help.
>
> I vaguely remember some web service that let people add metadata to
> any page they visited, and others using the same service could see the
> various comments. I guess it must've flopped or I would not have
> forgotten it. Probably attracted too much spam.
>
> Maybe a google mashup that adds some tags or icons or ratings to the
> hits. If there is no 'the answer' yet, it lets me nominate one. I want
> to do this both because it will remember it for me so I can fix the
> same problem again in the future and so it will help out others. If
> 'the answer' already exists, I can just grab it. It should let me fine
> tune things, such as 'this did *not* work for me, I think its because
> my machine is x and I am running version y of software z, here is the
> answer that worked for me.'
>
> I think a sort of language might emerge, a language for describing
> problems and solutions and demarcating the boundaries. It might start
> showing up in the original articles as metadata, at which point google
> would be good enough.
>
> Dave
>
>
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>
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joe

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Joseph Dane<jdane@...> wrote:
> google has certainly not solved the "separate the wheat from the
> chaff" problem.
>
> one problem with your proposed "annotation service" is the ephemeral
> nature of the web.  once you've identified the "gold" out there in the
> wild, you need to ensure it doesn't vanish.

google cache?

>that leads to a
> centralized repository of some sort, and once you've got that you're
> probably better off just soliciting new answers from the start.

Which is unacceptable, so I am back at square one. Maybe I just have
to accept the fact that some web pages will change or disappear, and
the system will need to adjust to that somehow. Perhaps once an answer
has become sufficiently popular the system should save a copy of the
content.

Or maybe it should just save a copy of everything. stackoverflow has
to keep a copy of all its posts, right? One or two of del.icio.us's
competitors/imitators save the entire content of the pages that get
tagged. They don't seem to think the problem is insurmountable. Google
apparently caches (nearly? mostly?) every page they index. I can just
tap into that.

> I'll once again mention stackoverflow, because I've found intelligent
> answers there

I like the badges. I wonder how strict they are about keeping it
focused on programming? Next time I have a good error message I will
try them out.

Dave

David Burns wrote:
> Certainly google is spectacular at finding stuff, but have you really
> never felt frustrated trying to separate the wheat from the chaff? It
> seems to me there ought to be a way to help google find the answer I
> am looking for, some way for people using it to guide it toward the
> better answers and away from the less good. Google tries to do this to
> some extent, putting the 'best' hits at the top. I think they could
> use some help.
>

> Maybe a google mashup that adds some tags or icons or ratings to the
> hits. If there is no 'the answer' yet, it lets me nominate one. I want
> to do this both because it will remember it for me so I can fix the
> same problem again in the future and so it will help out others. If
> 'the answer' already exists, I can just grab it. It should let me fine
> tune things, such as 'this did *not* work for me, I think its because
> my machine is x and I am running version y of software z, here is the
> answer that worked for me.'
>


This sounds a little like Google's SearchWiki.  I've got comment,
promote, and remove icons on every search result, and links at the
bottom to add a result or see all of my or everyone's notes.

http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115764

Of course, I do everything under Google's benevolent and all-seeing
eye.  But, I've never actually used this SearchWiki feature.  It seems
like spitting into the ocean.  It doesn't affect others' search results,
and for my own records I think I'd be better off making notes on a blog
or social bookmarking site (although I haven't done that either).

Anyway, I'd welcome a better way to find answers.

Cheers,
11011011

--On July 12, 2009 4:30:03 PM -1000 David Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Joseph Dane<jdane@...> wrote:
>> google has certainly not solved the "separate the wheat from the
>> chaff" problem.
>>
>> one problem with your proposed "annotation service" is the ephemeral
>> nature of the web.  once you've identified the "gold" out there in the
>> wild, you need to ensure it doesn't vanish.
>
> google cache?

When the page goes away, Google's cache goes away after some period of
time. The Internet Archive might be a better choice, but that's somewhat
more finicky (they don't crawl as frequently as Google, etc).

--On July 12, 2009 2:32:02 PM -1000 David Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM, J. David Beutel<jdb@...> wrote:
>> general, I think it's hard to beat Google itself.
>
> Certainly google is spectacular at finding stuff, but have you really
> never felt frustrated trying to separate the wheat from the chaff? It
> seems to me there ought to be a way to help google find the answer I
> am looking for, some way for people using it to guide it toward the
> better answers and away from the less good. Google tries to do this to
> some extent, putting the 'best' hits at the top. I think they could
> use some help.

Perhaps this is not the answer you are looking for, but the way to help
Google move the good answers to the top of the search results is to link to
the page that has the good answer. Probably the best way to do that is to
blog about your problem and link to the solution you found that was best
(or write up your improved solution). This will improve the PageRank of the
solution you found, and eventually that page will bubble up to the top of
the results. This also takes care of adding keywords, since every word in
your blog post is a potentially searchable keyword for your
problem/solution pair.

While Google can sometimes be frustrating, building a whole
tagging/annotating infrastructure that lots of people use is a BIG task.
Look at how many years people have been saying that the Semantic Web will
be coming Real Soon Now. Blogging (or Twittering) + Google is here now,
easy, and actually works in my experience.

--On July 13, 2009 10:06:32 AM -1000 "J. David Beutel" <jdb@...>
wrote:

> This sounds a little like Google's SearchWiki.  I've got comment,
> promote, and remove icons on every search result, and links at the
> bottom to add a result or see all of my or everyone's notes.
>
> http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=115764
>
> Of course, I do everything under Google's benevolent and all-seeing
> eye.  But, I've never actually used this SearchWiki feature.  It seems
> like spitting into the ocean.  It doesn't affect others' search results,
> and for my own records I think I'd be better off making notes on a blog
> or social bookmarking site (although I haven't done that either).

I've used the promote button a few times when the canonical page I wanted
for a particular search was not in the top 5 for some reason. Not sure what
Google's long-term plan is for this feature, if it doesn't affect others'
search results.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM, J. David Beutel<jdb@...> wrote:
>  It doesn't affect others' search results,

Bzzzt! Therefore a non-starter. For there to be any synergy, what I do
has to be visible to you, and vice versa.

> and for my own records I think I'd be better off making notes on a blog
> or social bookmarking site (although I haven't done that either).

This is more along the lines I imagined. I tend to use del.icio.us to
tag pages that I think are useful so I can find them again later more
easily. I'd be happy to add an extra tag or two to indicate "I had
this problem" or "this solved it for me" or "this page was useless"
just for my own reference. If everyone is allowed to peek over my
shoulder, I think the result could be very powerful. (tagging
conventions?)

I looked at Robert's old project and it does seem closely related. It
was slightly more general than my error message troubleshooting idea,
aimed at separating all the useful stuff in a forum archive from the
useless. I think the fact that it depended on a single human editor to
make most decisions greatly limits the scale it can achieve, and that
a more smart mob/agora/web 2.0 approach could make it much more
scaleable.

Dave

http://www.errorhelp.com/info/about seems to be pursuing a version of
this idea. Their interface is really bad, I can't figure out how to
join. Maybe noscript is blocking something.
Dave

--On July 25, 2009 12:10:18 PM -1000 David Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:

> http://www.errorhelp.com/info/about seems to be pursuing a version of
> this idea. Their interface is really bad, I can't figure out how to
> join. Maybe noscript is blocking something.
> Dave

It looks like accounts are automatically created when you submit an error
and give you email address? I agree that the interface is quite strange and
not intuitive.

If I understand you, I tried that and it did not work. Maybe I goofed
it up because I didn't want to be 'reminded' to give the solution - I
had it in my hand and wanted to plug it in right away.

Did you succeed in getting an account?
Dave

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Robert Brewer<rbrewer@...> wrote:
> --On July 25, 2009 12:10:18 PM -1000 David Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:
>
>> http://www.errorhelp.com/info/about seems to be pursuing a version of
>> this idea. Their interface is really bad, I can't figure out how to
>> join. Maybe noscript is blocking something.
>> Dave
>
> It looks like accounts are automatically created when you submit an error
> and give you email address? I agree that the interface is quite strange and
> not intuitive.
>
>
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On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:24 PM, David Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:

> If I understand you, I tried that and it did not work. Maybe I goofed
> it up because I didn't want to be 'reminded' to give the solution - I
> had it in my hand and wanted to plug it in right away.
>
> Did you succeed in getting an account?
> Dave

I did. After submitting a solution, there was a profile link where I
could choose a username and password.

So did you guys want to have a honolulu-coders meeting in SL one day and
summarize the discussion etc.?

CHEERS> SAM

Robert Brewer wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2009, at 3:24 PM, David Burns <tdbtdb@...> wrote:
>
>
>> If I understand you, I tried that and it did not work. Maybe I goofed
>> it up because I didn't want to be 'reminded' to give the solution - I
>> had it in my hand and wanted to plug it in right away.
>>
>> Did you succeed in getting an account?
>> Dave
>>
>
> I did. After submitting a solution, there was a profile link where I
> could choose a username and password.
>
>
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>
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University of Hawaii

Seems too lightweight as of yet.
Dave

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Sam Joseph<srjoseph@...> wrote:
> So did you guys want to have a honolulu-coders meeting in SL one day and
> summarize the discussion etc.?

Nothing is too light for SL :-) triviality is order of the day -
particularly for the first time we do honolulu coders in SL - we should
just have some topics for discussion and then sit round and talk.

CHEERS> SAM

David Burns wrote:
> Seems too lightweight as of yet.
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Sam Joseph<srjoseph@...> wrote:
>
>> So did you guys want to have a honolulu-coders meeting in SL one day and
>> summarize the discussion etc.?
>>
>
>
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>
> UPCOMING MEETINGS:
> none arranged - please tell us when and where you'd like to have oneYahoo!
Groups Links
>
>
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Laboratory for Interactive Learning Technologies
Department of Information and Computer Sciences
University of Hawaii

Well, with the bar that low I guess I can't argue.

I am also interested in writing a simple ruby script to access a
google spreadsheet. I'd be happy to be able to just generate a .csv
file, but it seems that google has opened up their API and many things
are possible now. Oddly, most of the ruby stuff I've found online
consists of outdated hacks from before the era of openness.

My google script might be too trivial an example, but might we
consider taking pair programming way beyond sanity and collaborate on
some sort of program as a group?

Dave

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Sam Joseph<srjoseph@...> wrote:
> Nothing is too light for SL :-) triviality is order of the day -
> particularly for the first time we do honolulu coders in SL - we should
> just have some topics for discussion and then sit round and talk.
>
> CHEERS> SAM
>
> David Burns wrote:
>> Seems too lightweight as of yet.
>> Dave
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Sam Joseph<srjoseph@...> wrote:
>>
>>> So did you guys want to have a honolulu-coders meeting in SL one day and
>>> summarize the discussion etc.?
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> UPCOMING MEETINGS:
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Laboratory for Interactive Learning Technologies
> Department of Information and Computer Sciences
> University of Hawaii
>
>
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name for web site based on this idea -

whackipedia

Dave

Hi All,

Glassfish has defeated me, so I need a consultant who has managed to establish a
JMS connection between a local application and a remote Glassfish server.  Know
how how to do that, or know anyone who does?

I switched my remote enterprise server from JBoss to Glassfish and getting an
InitalContext from the remote server is the last unsolved problem.

Locally there is no problem.  Glassfish installs with stored perameters it needs
to get an InitalContext, so all the app needs to do is instantiate:  new
InitialContext ();

And it works like magic.

But the remote connection needs other perameters, and I can't find them.

My search has found references to these parameters and values:
Context.PROVIDER_URL,    "iiop://127.0.0.1:1481");
Context.INITIAL_CONTEXT_FACTORY,  "com.sun.appserv.naming.S1ASCtxFactory");
"org.omg.CORBA.ORBInitialHost",  "localhost";
"org.omg.CORBA.ORBInitialPort",   "33700";

But no combination seems to work for me.

Any suggestions?
Thanks
George

Hi All,

I guess this group is dead.

Did it migrate somewhere else ... or just burn out?

George

I'm still around in a lurker mode.  Don't do enough coding to ever
really share anything here!

Paul

On 11/16/2010 08:25 AM, piikoicoder wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I guess this group is dead.
>
> Did it migrate somewhere else ... or just burn out?
>
> George
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> UPCOMING MEETINGS:
> none arranged - please tell us when and where you'd like to have oneYahoo!
Groups Links
>
>
>

I think the point of this group was the meetings, but since Sam went
back to the UK, nobody is organizing.  Is there anyone who wants to
present?  Seth and Anthony have also left, and Dan has organized some
other meetings at MIC (for UX, mobile, etc, via TechHui).

I'm starting to use Groovy & Grails now, with a variety of other stuff.
I'm excited about that, but don't know it well enough to give a
presentation.

The long presentation format is daunting.  Manoa Geeks used 5-minute
lightning talks, which provide more variety and a lower threshold, but
that's not enough time to get into real coding.  I think it's best to
have a combination:  a main presentation/topic, and a few lightning
talks and unstructured discussions (which could lead to a future
presentation).

Anyway, I'm still at UH, so I'd come to meetings here.  I don't know how
many coders are interested, though.  It seemed like some of the students
were coming for the pizza.  Since we're in the last 4 weeks of the
semester, it's getting busy now, too.

There's also Burt's monthly Bytemarks Lunch (not very technical) and
yearly Unconferenz.

Cheers,
11011011

On 2010-11-16 08:25 , piikoicoder wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I guess this group is dead.
>
> Did it migrate somewhere else ... or just burn out?
>
> George