All three.
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 tbhawaiiowan@... wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Thanks for very good and concise refresher tutorial on S and H. I'm now also curious to know if and to what extent you and others think generational and Kwave analysts build on, refute, or ignore Hegelian dialectics.
>
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> From: dator@...
> To: hrcfs-l@...
> Sent: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 2:37 PM
> Subject: Re: More on Millennials
>
>
> Age-cohort changes have been noted for many years in most "modern"
> societies. What is unique (as far as I know) about Strauss and Howe is
> that whereas all previous scholars just point out there are
> cohort differences, S & H say there is a repeating pattern of four age
> cohort types related to external factors. Some people believe the things
> driving K-Waves also drive the four cohort-types and attempts have been
> made to comine the two (though the "causes" of K-Waves differ among
> K-Wave analysts too. I naturally believe it is changes in the "level of
> technology"--ie, from water mills to steam engines to internal combustion
> engines, to whatever is next, for example. Others suggest different
> causal factors).
>
> So to this extent their theory is based on "level of development" and
> not any specific nation, though how it actully works out will of course
> always be situational.
>
> I think that Leyden was focusing on the US only to suggest that we should
> not expect the future of the US to continue to see the privatization and
> "hollowing out" of government, but rather a return to more collective
> values that will expect "government" to be more active and effective in
> helping us achieve communal goals.
>
> Whether that is also a global phenomenon NOW, or whether the phasing of
> the "Civics", which is the type name S & H used for both the GIs and the
> Millennials, is different in other parts of the world, is something I
> don't know. What evidence I have seen and heard suggests it is similar in
> Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and much of Western Europe, but not in
> Japan, Korea or elsewhere where the phasing of the types is different.
>
> gain, I may be wrong here.
>
> But we should be able to use S & H to do what Stuart asks: to make
> statements about the future behavior of cohorts under differing external
> conditions. That is one of its utilities--or fantasies.
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