Subject: Future/s of narcissism v altruism (as well as individuality and "self"-reliance-sufficiency-interest)?
A new report suggests that an overdose of self-esteem in college
students could mean a rough road ahead.
9:42 PM PST, February 26, 2007
No wonder YouTube is so popular.
All the effort to boost children's self-esteem may have backfired and
produced a generation of college students who are more narcissistic
than their Gen X (and Baby Boom?) predecessors , according to a new study led by a San
Diego State University psychologist.
To all:
I found this new research on narcissism especially interesting in light of recent lectures at UH by Richard Dawkins (evolutionary biologist and author of books ranging from Selfish Gene 30 yrs ago to God Delusion last year).
Among other questions I asked (eg did Dawkins think human "invention/discovery" of agriculture a truly free choice v no other choice due to pop growth resulting from our very success as hunter-gatherers? would humans still primarily be hunter-gatherers (HG) if Earth as big as Jupiter? if Darwin alive today, did Dawkins think he would be capitalist, communist, or neither? and what evol survival purpose served by human ability to invent and believe in gods and religions as well as ask questions such as why r we here and where did we come from?), I asked Dawkins about the future of altruism.
Dawkins and many others I think (as well as Sahlins, Diamond, etal who also think HG humans worked less than modern humans to meet basic survival needs) have argued that altruistic behavior is at least partly genetic in nature because such behavior had survival value from bio/evol perspective when humans were primarily HGs--which was the case for the vast majority of human history (until gradual develop of agrarian societies beginning approx. 10 to 11 thousand years ago).
I argued that any tendency of agrarian and then even more recent, rapid and over-lapping evolution of industrial and post-industrial societies to devalue bio/evol survival value of altruism/cooperative behavior probably still too recent to breed altruism out of our genome by "natural" selection, but all bets off with advent of what Dawkins called "mutational" selection (ie latest and possible future advances in genetic engineering). Dawkins seemed to agree, but frankly I got the impression he hadn't thought much about this (except stem cell research) because even during his lecture on "future" of evolution, I thought he focused more on what would happen if we could go back in time and re-start "natural" selection again (interesting, but not really futuristic IMHO).
I'm also surprised and impressed with Chris' recall of what I called Self-Sufficient Dwelling Units (SSDU) 20 years ago--preferably mobile and fully functional in multiple environments (eg on and under ground and water as well as within and outside of Earth or Earth-like atmosphere)--which would eventually be capable of max possible self-sufficient closed-cycle food, water, fuel and breathable air production (as long as all still necessary for survival) which we collectively would agree to make a universal birthright (at least upon reaching "adulthood"--however that might be defined in future) in 21st century or later version of new social contract.
This was the most futuristic (at least in my mind at the time) end of a spectrum of policy* and tech advances that would eventually make some form of property ownership a universal birthright at some point in future that does not have to be earned in some way--but NOT based primarily or exclusively on "property" defined as "real estate"--and which might finally make the near total dependency of most people on some combo of wage, welfare, and/or charity and inheritance something closer to a truly free choice. (*e.g. "baby bond" or "grubstake" accts which already exist in UK and Singapore, and Individual Development Accounts (IDAs) which have generated bipart interest in US congress, Peter Barnes "Skytrust" and similar proposals for generating new sources of universal income based on citizenship rather than need similar to Alaska's Permanent Fund, and universal stock ownership plans--because financial wealth, unlike real estate, can theoretically expand infinitely, thereby reducing need for more confiscatory type schemes eg land reform, etc). Conceptually, these would be more like Lincoln's (largely unsuccessful) Homestead Act of 1862 and/or post-WW2 G.I. bill than New Deal or Great Society programs.
My interest in this was based on the "fact" (I think) that no human ever born has ever had anything close to "informed consent" regarding the actual or implied "social contract" one is born into at any time or any place in human history. Most liken this to complaining about the law of gravity, but I think maybe not. Nevertheless, nothing original about any of this (except perhaps my personal synthesis of some ideas)--even SSDU idea based in part on existing or possible tech advances already IDed by others. But I also argued that true self-reliance/self-sufficiency might paradoxically increase truly voluntary altruistic and cooperative behavior in the future.
So would be interested in what others think. Based on my own current life situation, I'm increasingly feeling like a "mutant" in the sense that my sense of altruism still overrides my self-preservation instincts even if and when the latter is increasingly at risk.
Finally, at risk of offending some with politically incorrect attempt at humor, I think this research on perceived increase in narcissism also may help to explain the "new" AIDS (American Idol Delusional Syndrome). :) To "real" AIDS sufferers and advocates, no offense intended. After stand-up comic with cerebral palsy won Last Comic Standing TV competition last yr--in part by making "cripple" jokes--I thought this might be more humorous than offensive.
Tom Brandt
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Subject: Re: Gen Y Narcissism
Well, I would not be a good student of Dator and McLuhan if I didn't point out the dramatic effect and impact of new technology from an age-cohort perspective. I think cell phones and iPods and Materialism resonate on the hyper-individualism and narcissistic chord as Dator has noted (situational ethics). It will only accelerate as the middle classes grow in Asia, Latin America, and Africa and globalize. I think it was Dator who once said everyone should be/wanted to be a sovereign state, their own ideology. Why not?
I am still waiting for one of Tom's survival capsules, too. (Ancient listserv history.)
= On Feb 28, 2007, at 2:54 PM, Frankus wrote:
interesting article. however, i don't know if is so much of an overdose of self-esteem as a severe underdose of community and cooperative skills learning. Our culture takes gleeful satisfaction at the failure of others...telling me i'm special is good; at the expense of others..well...
Well, let's see here. I pretty much follow Strauss and Howe. My observation is that what are being called Gen Y are NOT individualistic at all, but rather extremely group-oriented. It is true they were all told how Special they were, and they all played in games where there were rules, uniforms, coaches and umpires with no one keeping score so that at the end everyone got an award and had ice cream together. They expect the world to play by the rules--they have never had one minute of spare time, running from soccer to violin lessons to Mandarin practice to No Child Left Alone schools. And if there are no Rules for them to follow, and no one fairly enforcing them (ie., the real world), then they turn to each other for guidance and have little respect for Authorities and Experts who tell them what to do outside of a consensual situation. That's what My Space and all the rest are for, it seems to me. Jim Dator