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Dear members,

As the first major discussion for Horizon of the Aten since the
announcement of the reforms in the Avis-Pirum Network, I thought it
would be an interesting idea to discuss whether Akhenaten's reign
signified a flare of Absolutism; therefore implying that the Amarna
Period was surprisingly 'modern' in respect to ancient Egyptian
civilisation. Though the Amarna Period is most obviously remembered
as a religious overhaul it is important that we also consider it's
political ramifications. Though this may seem obvious, I believe the
theological debate often overshadows the administrative revolution
which occurred simultaneously.

First of all, I think an important factor behind Akhenaten's
motivations is an attempt to stifle the huge influence the Amun
priesthood held over Egypt. Joyce Tyldesley affirms that Amun became
the 'dominant economic force' in the south, accumulating its wealth
through farmers, labourers, herds (also leased out), ships and mines.
Moreover, she explains that this weakened the king's hegemony and
made him a 'peripheral figure'. Therefore, a great majority of the
population (notably those who benefitted from the Amun cult) surely
felt a primary allegiance to the temple rather than the distant king.
However, Amenhotep II, Tuthmosis IV and Amenhotep III all attempted
to impress monarchical control over the cult by appointing their own
followers (typically northerners) as High Priest of Amun. Therefore,
this would imply that the young Akhenaten, deeply encouraged by his
predecessors' attempts to limit Thebes' virtual monopoly on Egypt,
orchestrated his infamous assault with the intent of strengthening
Pharaonic power and symbolically justified it by aligning himself
with an obscure, 'new' deity, whose monotheistic connotations
delivered a clear message that the king's power was indivisible and
absolute.

Any thoughts, revered Egyptologists?

Many thanks,
Danny




Mon Jul 9, 2007 11:24 pm

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Dear members, As the first major discussion for Horizon of the Aten since the announcement of the reforms in the Avis-Pirum Network, I thought it would be an...
Danny
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Jul 9, 2007
11:25 pm

I agree that a major theme of Ikhenaton was to attempt to build royal power. From what I have read, the aten cult was at least partially, the cult of the ...
Michael Mccarthy
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Jul 10, 2007
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I feel, from the research that I have read, and done, that although Amenhotep III kept his own 'personal' god, [one of his palaces found had his own shrine...
Jane
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Jul 10, 2007
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... battle weapon. This position was not symbolic, but a working position. This was Yuya's, not Thuya's, position: Thuya was the wife and was a dresser to the...
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Jul 12, 2007
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The point I was making,[although I mixed the two],was that this 'commoner' label was a ridiculous, OLD 'European' misnomer. It is quite clear that they were ...
Jane Richards
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Jul 12, 2007
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... Not at all: Amenhotep III's "Boundaries" scarab announcing Tiye's heritage is very clear that she is only the "wife of a victorious king" but that her...
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Jul 13, 2007
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Hello Danny, You've certainly raised an intriguing point there and one which has particularly fascinated me ever since I started looking at the period in...
Tom
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Jul 10, 2007
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Hello Tom and welcome back to Jane! I've always known the Amun Priesthood was powerful but I suppose it never registered in my mind as an important factor....
Danny
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Jul 10, 2007
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I've posted some urls which might interest you and others concerning the Amun priesthood, deals made, [ah, politics!], etc.... Thanks for the 'welcome back',...
Jane Richards
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Hi, I am not an Egyptologist at all but a homeschool mom with a deep love of history. One of the things I note about historical changes in general is that they...
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The Essenes were far more ancient than xianity. And, although they have been mistakenly described as being a 'monastery cult' living in Qumran, they actually...
Jane Richards
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Really? I had always understood that the Essenes co existed in Jesus's time and that they might have influenced John the Baptist. And I also thought the...
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... The Templars began in Jerusalem and later expanded into Europe...
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I think this discussion is beginning to enter the realm of off- topicness! Let's stay on the ball people!...
Danny
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Hear, hear!...
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This is 'off-topic' for this board, but I would love to discuss it privately... isis1037@... ... isis1037@... Owner/moderator Website: ...
Jane Richards
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LOL.. ok. So.. the Amarna regime was in the opinion of most of the people here so far, purely a kingly obsession that he steamrolled his people into accepting...
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Jul 10, 2007
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I don't think it's quite as clear as that; as most members have already stated, Atenism was already in its embryonic form during Amenhotep III's reign....
Danny
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Jul 10, 2007
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Could anyone enlighten to me as to when exactly the Amun Priesthood began to wane? I mean after the Amarna Period. Tom...
Tom
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These urls make a good read and will answer most, if not all, your questions... isis1037@... http://www.philae.nu/akhet/history5.html ...
Jane Richards
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Not mine.... It was begun by Amenhotep III, at least, if not earlier. The Amun priesthood was wresting more power from the throne than was comfortable to those...
Jane Richards
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I think it is extremely misleading to say that Ikhenaton "steamrolled" the AE people. The temples of AE are NOT the parallels of modern churchs and Cathedrals....
michael mccarthy
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Jul 12, 2007
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This would be one of the reasons that I personally do not agree with those who state that Akhenaten was a monotheist..... People, including the king, had many...
Jane Richards
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The Amarna Regime; More than likely the common farmer or worker went on with his daily activities uncaring of what the far away leadership did to pass their...
PJLW
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Jul 12, 2007
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Hi Jane and whoever might be interested..my email is sloukanis@.... Allison ... From: Jane Richards To: horizonaten@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July...
LoukanisFamily
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Now this is interesting. Not being a professional here I hadn't stopped to consider that the King and the upper class plus their gods would be removed from the...
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Isn't it true that religion in Ancient Egypt didn't necessarily entail morality like it does nowadays but that they regarded it more as we do science? Tom...
Tom
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Jul 12, 2007
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I have no idea what others' opinions are but IMO and from what I've studied, the AE always practiced a traditional, symbolic, mythic style in their coping with...
Jane Richards
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Jul 12, 2007
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... entail morality like it does nowadays but that they regarded it more as we do science? I would think that Egyptian religion, whatever its form, always had ...
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