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Re: The Amarna Regime

I feel, from the research that I have read, and done, that although
Amenhotep III kept his own 'personal' god, [one of his palaces found
had his own shrine dedicated to Aten], the real origins of this period
were politics and power. The king knew that the Amun
priesthood/temples were richer and more powerful than any other in AE
history. He also had a keen sense of what was going on politically
behind those temple walls, thus he began his overt dedication to Aten
rather than the covert, [or moderate/quiet], worship of his personal
deity which he had brought with him to the throne from Akmim.
Both his father in law as well as his mother in law held honored
positions in his court. Yuya was the Superintendent of both the Harem
of Min in Akmim as well as the same position in the Harem of Amun in
Wst [Greek 'Thebes'].Thuya was the literal head of his horses,[which
were very valuable and an honored position], as horses had only been
introduced in the late 2nd Intermediate Period when the Hyksos
attempted to conquer all of Egypt, along with the chariot, as a battle
weapon. This position was not symbolic, but a working position. As far
as calling them, and his daughter, Tiye 'commoners'...it's a matter of
old traditional Egyptology semantics... They were 'royal' and related
quite closely to the King or they wouldn't have held the positions
they did.
Aye was the Sem priest due to the tradition of the uncle of the Queen
traditionally being given that position. This was also connected to
that of matrilineal descent. Tiye would have been very close to the
throne in some way, as only marrying the closest female relative to
the dead king would legitimize the next kings' ascent to the throne.
Unfortunately his son, who had been a co-regent for some time, became
a zealot and unwisely challenged the Amun priesthood after his
fathers' death.
isis1037
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Author: "Tombs,Temples and Thrones"





--- In horizonaten@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Mccarthy" <sokar@...> wrote:
>
> I agree that a major theme of Ikhenaton was to attempt to build
royal power.
> From what I have read, the aten cult was at least partially, the
cult of the
> deified Amenhotep III who was identified with the Aten. Amenhotep
III was
> the first King to have himself portrayed as a God. Naturally he
could only
> be approached through his son the new king.
>
>
> I wish we knew more about the by-play of this period. Amenhotep III's
> father-in-law(Yuya) was a senior general; Ikhenaton's
father-in-law(Aye) was
> a senior general. The real struggle may have been the Army against
the Amun
> priesthood.
> Mike McCarthy
>





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I agree that a major theme of Ikhenaton was to attempt to build royal power. From what I have read, the aten cult was at least partially, the cult of the ...
Michael Mccarthy
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Jul 10, 2007
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I feel, from the research that I have read, and done, that although Amenhotep III kept his own 'personal' god, [one of his palaces found had his own shrine...
Jane
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... battle weapon. This position was not symbolic, but a working position. This was Yuya's, not Thuya's, position: Thuya was the wife and was a dresser to the...
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Jul 12, 2007
4:31 pm

The point I was making,[although I mixed the two],was that this 'commoner' label was a ridiculous, OLD 'European' misnomer. It is quite clear that they were ...
Jane Richards
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Jul 12, 2007
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... Not at all: Amenhotep III's "Boundaries" scarab announcing Tiye's heritage is very clear that she is only the "wife of a victorious king" but that her...
barbalou7
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Jul 13, 2007
8:51 am

Hello Danny, You've certainly raised an intriguing point there and one which has particularly fascinated me ever since I started looking at the period in...
Tom
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Jul 10, 2007
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Hello Tom and welcome back to Jane! I've always known the Amun Priesthood was powerful but I suppose it never registered in my mind as an important factor....
Danny
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Jul 10, 2007
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I've posted some urls which might interest you and others concerning the Amun priesthood, deals made, [ah, politics!], etc.... Thanks for the 'welcome back',...
Jane Richards
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Hi, I am not an Egyptologist at all but a homeschool mom with a deep love of history. One of the things I note about historical changes in general is that they...
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The Essenes were far more ancient than xianity. And, although they have been mistakenly described as being a 'monastery cult' living in Qumran, they actually...
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Really? I had always understood that the Essenes co existed in Jesus's time and that they might have influenced John the Baptist. And I also thought the...
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... The Templars began in Jerusalem and later expanded into Europe...
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I think this discussion is beginning to enter the realm of off- topicness! Let's stay on the ball people!...
Danny
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Hear, hear!...
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This is 'off-topic' for this board, but I would love to discuss it privately... isis1037@... ... isis1037@... Owner/moderator Website: ...
Jane Richards
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LOL.. ok. So.. the Amarna regime was in the opinion of most of the people here so far, purely a kingly obsession that he steamrolled his people into accepting...
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I don't think it's quite as clear as that; as most members have already stated, Atenism was already in its embryonic form during Amenhotep III's reign....
Danny
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Could anyone enlighten to me as to when exactly the Amun Priesthood began to wane? I mean after the Amarna Period. Tom...
Tom
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These urls make a good read and will answer most, if not all, your questions... isis1037@... http://www.philae.nu/akhet/history5.html ...
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Not mine.... It was begun by Amenhotep III, at least, if not earlier. The Amun priesthood was wresting more power from the throne than was comfortable to those...
Jane Richards
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I think it is extremely misleading to say that Ikhenaton "steamrolled" the AE people. The temples of AE are NOT the parallels of modern churchs and Cathedrals....
michael mccarthy
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This would be one of the reasons that I personally do not agree with those who state that Akhenaten was a monotheist..... People, including the king, had many...
Jane Richards
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The Amarna Regime; More than likely the common farmer or worker went on with his daily activities uncaring of what the far away leadership did to pass their...
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Hi Jane and whoever might be interested..my email is sloukanis@.... Allison ... From: Jane Richards To: horizonaten@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July...
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Now this is interesting. Not being a professional here I hadn't stopped to consider that the King and the upper class plus their gods would be removed from the...
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Isn't it true that religion in Ancient Egypt didn't necessarily entail morality like it does nowadays but that they regarded it more as we do science? Tom...
Tom
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I have no idea what others' opinions are but IMO and from what I've studied, the AE always practiced a traditional, symbolic, mythic style in their coping with...
Jane Richards
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... entail morality like it does nowadays but that they regarded it more as we do science? I would think that Egyptian religion, whatever its form, always had ...
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<< Not being a professional here I hadn't stopped to consider that the King and the upper class plus their gods would be removed from the life of the common...
michael mccarthy
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Michael is quite right, gods like Bes persisted into the Amarna Period and it is highly likely that the Royal Court was aware of it....
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