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Re: [horizonaten] The Amarna Regime

The Essenes were far more ancient than xianity. And,
although they have been mistakenly described as being
a 'monastery cult' living in Qumran, they actually had
groups who traveled extensively throughout the ancient
world teaching many things including the correct
history of the Habiru as well as medicine and the
'mysteries' surrounding certain rites.
Many historians believe that the Essenes traditions
reached far back into antiquity with 'Groups' which
practiced throughout the ancient world. It is also
believed that 'the Group' eventually became the core
of the Kights' Templar after the militant sects of
xianity evolved in the time of the Byzantines.
isis1037

--- LoukanisFamily <sloukanis@...> wrote:

> Hi, I am not an Egyptologist at all but a homeschool
> mom with a deep love of history. One of the things I
> note about historical changes in general is that
> they seldom pop up out of the blue..especially
> changes in religion. For example, Christianity
> didn't start out as Christianity ..it started out as
> a Jewish cult. And there were other cults that
> popped up at the same time.. like the Essenes, and
> those because of dissatisfaction with the way things
> were at the time. I guess I am asking a question
> here..were there any signs of such a change to
> monotheistic religion before Akhenaton came along?
> Were there other cults that showed up at the same
> time that would signify a generally unhappiness with
> the monopoly of the priesthood of Amun?Allison
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Danny
> To: horizonaten@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:24 PM
> Subject: [horizonaten] The Amarna Regime
>
>
> Dear members,
>
> As the first major discussion for Horizon of the
> Aten since the
> announcement of the reforms in the Avis-Pirum
> Network, I thought it
> would be an interesting idea to discuss whether
> Akhenaten's reign
> signified a flare of Absolutism; therefore
> implying that the Amarna
> Period was surprisingly 'modern' in respect to
> ancient Egyptian
> civilisation. Though the Amarna Period is most
> obviously remembered
> as a religious overhaul it is important that we
> also consider it's
> political ramifications. Though this may seem
> obvious, I believe the
> theological debate often overshadows the
> administrative revolution
> which occurred simultaneously.
>
> First of all, I think an important factor behind
> Akhenaten's
> motivations is an attempt to stifle the huge
> influence the Amun
> priesthood held over Egypt. Joyce Tyldesley
> affirms that Amun became
> the 'dominant economic force' in the south,
> accumulating its wealth
> through farmers, labourers, herds (also leased
> out), ships and mines.
> Moreover, she explains that this weakened the
> king's hegemony and
> made him a 'peripheral figure'. Therefore, a great
> majority of the
> population (notably those who benefitted from the
> Amun cult) surely
> felt a primary allegiance to the temple rather
> than the distant king.
> However, Amenhotep II, Tuthmosis IV and Amenhotep
> III all attempted
> to impress monarchical control over the cult by
> appointing their own
> followers (typically northerners) as High Priest
> of Amun. Therefore,
> this would imply that the young Akhenaten, deeply
> encouraged by his
> predecessors' attempts to limit Thebes' virtual
> monopoly on Egypt,
> orchestrated his infamous assault with the intent
> of strengthening
> Pharaonic power and symbolically justified it by
> aligning himself
> with an obscure, 'new' deity, whose monotheistic
> connotations
> delivered a clear message that the king's power
> was indivisible and
> absolute.
>
> Any thoughts, revered Egyptologists?
>
> Many thanks,
> Danny
>
>
>
>


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Hi, I am not an Egyptologist at all but a homeschool mom with a deep love of history. One of the things I note about historical changes in general is that they...
LoukanisFamily
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The Essenes were far more ancient than xianity. And, although they have been mistakenly described as being a 'monastery cult' living in Qumran, they actually...
Jane Richards
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Jul 10, 2007
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Really? I had always understood that the Essenes co existed in Jesus's time and that they might have influenced John the Baptist. And I also thought the...
LoukanisFamily
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Jul 10, 2007
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... The Templars began in Jerusalem and later expanded into Europe...
norenxaq
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Jul 10, 2007
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I think this discussion is beginning to enter the realm of off- topicness! Let's stay on the ball people!...
Danny
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Jul 10, 2007
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Hear, hear!...
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This is 'off-topic' for this board, but I would love to discuss it privately... isis1037@... ... isis1037@... Owner/moderator Website: ...
Jane Richards
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Jul 12, 2007
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LOL.. ok. So.. the Amarna regime was in the opinion of most of the people here so far, purely a kingly obsession that he steamrolled his people into accepting...
LoukanisFamily
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Jul 10, 2007
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I don't think it's quite as clear as that; as most members have already stated, Atenism was already in its embryonic form during Amenhotep III's reign....
Danny
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Jul 10, 2007
11:30 pm

Could anyone enlighten to me as to when exactly the Amun Priesthood began to wane? I mean after the Amarna Period. Tom...
Tom
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Jul 11, 2007
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These urls make a good read and will answer most, if not all, your questions... isis1037@... http://www.philae.nu/akhet/history5.html ...
Jane Richards
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Not mine.... It was begun by Amenhotep III, at least, if not earlier. The Amun priesthood was wresting more power from the throne than was comfortable to those...
Jane Richards
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I think it is extremely misleading to say that Ikhenaton "steamrolled" the AE people. The temples of AE are NOT the parallels of modern churchs and Cathedrals....
michael mccarthy
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This would be one of the reasons that I personally do not agree with those who state that Akhenaten was a monotheist..... People, including the king, had many...
Jane Richards
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The Amarna Regime; More than likely the common farmer or worker went on with his daily activities uncaring of what the far away leadership did to pass their...
PJLW
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Hi Jane and whoever might be interested..my email is sloukanis@.... Allison ... From: Jane Richards To: horizonaten@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July...
LoukanisFamily
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Now this is interesting. Not being a professional here I hadn't stopped to consider that the King and the upper class plus their gods would be removed from the...
LoukanisFamily
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Jul 12, 2007
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Isn't it true that religion in Ancient Egypt didn't necessarily entail morality like it does nowadays but that they regarded it more as we do science? Tom...
Tom
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I have no idea what others' opinions are but IMO and from what I've studied, the AE always practiced a traditional, symbolic, mythic style in their coping with...
Jane Richards
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... entail morality like it does nowadays but that they regarded it more as we do science? I would think that Egyptian religion, whatever its form, always had ...
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<< Not being a professional here I hadn't stopped to consider that the King and the upper class plus their gods would be removed from the life of the common...
michael mccarthy
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Jul 12, 2007
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Michael is quite right, gods like Bes persisted into the Amarna Period and it is highly likely that the Royal Court was aware of it....
Danny
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Blond hair? Doesn't the hair get bleached during the mummifying process? Allison ... From: Jane Richards To: horizonaten@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July...
LoukanisFamily
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... process? Not to the point of being "blond" - usually hair retains its actual colouring throughout most of the embalming process. When analysis was done of...
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Jul 14, 2007
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I have been enjoying this discussion very much. Thank you to all the scholars here who are sharing what they know about this very fascinating time of history....
Shulamite
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You bet.. I find this fascinating! Allison ... From: Shulamite To: horizonaten@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [horizonaten]...
LoukanisFamily
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Yuya ( whose pix is in the link you sent) seems to me to have a faint resemblance to Vanessa Redgrave! lol.. this is amazing. All kinds of people in Egypt....
LoukanisFamily
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Jul 14, 2007
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So we all agree that a notable change occurred within the monarchy under Akhenaten? Could someone then please offer their opinion on why this new organisation...
Tom
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Jul 15, 2007
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... Tom, The new organization did not outlive Akhenaten because the priests were angry that Akhenaten changed the people's view of the all powerful and...
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Jul 16, 2007
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Hello Tom, I am not an Egyptologist,but I have studied all I could,and all I can still find pertaining to the subject since ohhh, I was somewhere between 8...
Jules
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