Hi John,

John Taylor-Johnston wrote:

> Aaah! :) But an OS business plan is even better! Makes more money too.

You have open-source software. Have you made a lot of money?

> But no, I've e-known Martin  long enough. If he would just share the
> cookie dough for JCloze version 2 - something that was not sold to UVic,

Nothing has ever been "sold" to UVic. UVic has rights over what we
produce at work. That's the case for anyone who does creative work in
their workplace, unless their contract specifically says not. I would
guess that your employer has some rights over your work, and might
assert them if it wished to prevent you from open-sourcing it.

> why I'd be happy and promise never to redistribute it. I'd even pay
> for it. Remember the good old days when he put â•š â•› around the gapped
> words? That is the code I'd like to buy. But hélas, sniff :-(  - he
> never responds. $100 would ice a lot of cupcakes.

What exactly do you want from JCloze? It consists of dozens of libraries
of code. Ask a straight question and you'll probably get a straight
answer, but "give me everything" is not practical, because I'm not
legally entitled to.

Cheers,
Martin

> J ;-)
>
> hennyjellema wrote:
>
>> Beste John,
>>
>> In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, John Taylor-Johnston
>> <eslcafe@u...> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Just to chime in, a little late, yes indeed, I do think every
>> software,
>> >  I thank
>> > Martin immensely for giving me licenses to slam and bang his
>> special
>> > software just to make sure they are up to snuff with the rest of
>> the HP
>> > family. I'm a happy tester.
>> >
>> > As for longevity, I still use mine, which were made for me to do
>> > repetitive tasks. But as for other OS projects, they last only
>> when they
>> > have a wide-spread use and need. An OS project is even more
>> successful
>> > when even free-riders contribute by the smallest things, like
>> asking a
>> > question or making a comment.
>>
>>
>> But look, what if you need to earn money with a program?  Maybe you
>> have other sources of income,  but as far as I understand,  Martin
>> and Stewart live for a part on this programming.
>> And considering the time they spend on it, that seems very normal to
>> me.
>>
>> I admit, I have my sadistic moments towards Martin, but  all
>> together I don't think,  he should suffer hunger. And most of the
>> time he even deserves his piece of chocolate on Sundays, don't you
>> think?
>>
>> About open source: what do you think of this? It is in Dutch,  but I
>> think you can understand what it means. Three open source LMS-es
>> compared to each other.
>>
>> <http://www.proefopstelling.nl/>
>>
>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>>

Hello everyone,

I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted to
check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and installing
the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?

Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?  Does
anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot pot based
on experience?

All help appreciated

Thanks

Bob

Hi,

I hardly dare to ask, because it probably would mean work for you.

Is the following possible?????

There's a picture (for example a house) visible and you have to drag
words to the the right place in the house (for eample "BED" to the
bedroom). It sounds to me like a JMATCH, but is it technically
possible????

Thanks

Paul from the Netherlands.

Hi there,

As far as I know, the only Unicode fonts SIL offers are SIL Doulos and Gentium:

<http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font\
>

I'm pretty sure the Encore fonts are NOT Unicode, and if they're not, you
should avoid them like the plague. Hot Potatoes, like the Web itself, is a
Unicode-based tool, and using proprietary font and encoding systems is
never going to work properly. It will also doom your data to almost instant
obsolescence.

Cheers,
Martin

At 06:53 AM 01/06/2005, you wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Hello everyone,
>
>I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted to
>check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and installing
>the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?
>
>Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?  Does
>anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot pot based
>on experience?
>
>All help appreciated
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

______________________________________
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
mholmes@...
martin@...
mholmes@...
http://www.mholmes.com
http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com

Hi John

Alas, it's not that simple. Some of the code used in that product developed on
personal time may be covered by legal agreements with the university
protecting the same code implemented in future versions of Hot Pot, some may
have been developed on university time in which case the university owns it,
and on and on. Now that Hot Potatoes code has commercial value, everyone pays
more attention to what happens to it - even if it is code from 6 years ago.


  >===== Original Message From John Taylor-Johnston <eslcafe@...>
=====
>Aaah! :) But an OS business plan is even better! Makes more money too.
>But no, I've e-known Martin  long enough. If he would just share the
>cookie dough for JCloze version 2 - something that was not sold to UVic,
>why I'd be happy and promise never to redistribute it. I'd even pay for
>it. Remember the good old days when he put ? ? around the gapped words?
>That is the code I'd like to buy. But hélas, sniff :-(  - he never
>responds. $100 would ice a lot of cupcakes.
>J ;-)
>
>hennyjellema wrote:
>
>> Beste John,
>>
>> In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, John Taylor-Johnston
>> <eslcafe@u...> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Just to chime in, a little late, yes indeed, I do think every
>> software,
>> >  I thank
>> > Martin immensely for giving me licenses to slam and bang his
>> special
>> > software just to make sure they are up to snuff with the rest of
>> the HP
>> > family. I'm a happy tester.
>> >
>> > As for longevity, I still use mine, which were made for me to do
>> > repetitive tasks. But as for other OS projects, they last only
>> when they
>> > have a wide-spread use and need. An OS project is even more
>> successful
>> > when even free-riders contribute by the smallest things, like
>> asking a
>> > question or making a comment.
>>
>>
>> But look, what if you need to earn money with a program?  Maybe you
>> have other sources of income,  but as far as I understand,  Martin
>> and Stewart live for a part on this programming.
>> And considering the time they spend on it, that seems very normal to
>> me.
>>
>> I admit, I have my sadistic moments towards Martin, but  all
>> together I don't think,  he should suffer hunger. And most of the
>> time he even deserves his piece of chocolate on Sundays, don't you
>> think?
>>
>> About open source: what do you think of this? It is in Dutch,  but I
>> think you can understand what it means. Three open source LMS-es
>> compared to each other.
>>
>> <http://www.proefopstelling.nl/>
>>
>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>>
>>
>>
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Stewart Arneil
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
Half-Baked Software Inc.

Hi Bob

Martin's reply has arrived just as I was writing mine.

The important thing is that you use a Unicode font, regardless of who produces
it. I'll bet fonts that ship with Windows and with Office include the IPA
characters, but I haven't checked.  The advantage to Unicode fonts as that the
user's computer will look for a font that contains the character if the
default font doesn't. It also ensures that your data and pages will be
readable by computer systems into the foreseeable future.


>===== Original Message From "bobwgilmour" <bobwgilmour@...> =====
>Hello everyone,
>
>I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted to
>check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and installing
>the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?
>
>Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?  Does
>anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot pot based
>on experience?
>
>All help appreciated
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Stewart Arneil
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
Half-Baked Software Inc.

Hi there,

This has been discussed several times, and the basic issue is that it's
easy to create an individual exercise like this, but quite hard to create
an authoring tool that would suit all situations. Nevertheless, it will
probably be one of the item types included in Hot Potatoes 7. We are not
going to add it to HotPot 6.

Cheers,
Martin

At 08:15 AM 01/06/2005, you wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Hi,
>
>I hardly dare to ask, because it probably would mean work for you.
>
>Is the following possible?????
>
>There's a picture (for example a house) visible and you have to drag
>words to the the right place in the house (for eample "BED" to the
>bedroom). It sounds to me like a JMATCH, but is it technically
>possible????
>
>Thanks
>
>Paul from the Netherlands.
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

______________________________________
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
mholmes@...
martin@...
mholmes@...
http://www.mholmes.com
http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com

There are actually two problems here:

1. Finding a Unicode font that has IPA characters.

          This is easy; there are loads. Arial Unicode MS is an obvious one;
Lucida Sans Unicode comes with Windows 2000 or XP, and also includes IPA.
You can also find Code2000 on the Web.

2. Finding a way to type the characters (a keyboard map, or an Input Method
Editor).

          This is harder; many of the old solutions had nice keyboard maps
with them. However, you can create your own keyboard map using the
Tavultesoft Keyman tool, or Microsoft's free tool:

          <http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx>

Cheers,
Martin
At 08:40 AM 01/06/2005, you wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Hi Bob
>
>Martin's reply has arrived just as I was writing mine.
>
>The important thing is that you use a Unicode font, regardless of who
>produces
>it. I'll bet fonts that ship with Windows and with Office include the IPA
>characters, but I haven't checked.  The advantage to Unicode fonts as that
>the
>user's computer will look for a font that contains the character if the
>default font doesn't. It also ensures that your data and pages will be
>readable by computer systems into the foreseeable future.
>
>
> >===== Original Message From "bobwgilmour" <bobwgilmour@...> =====
> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted to
> >check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and installing
> >the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?
> >
> >Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?  Does
> >anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot pot based
> >on experience?
> >
> >All help appreciated
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>Stewart Arneil
>University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
>Half-Baked Software Inc.
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

______________________________________
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
mholmes@...
martin@...
mholmes@...
http://www.mholmes.com
http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com

Hello again,

Thanks for both your replies.  I'm afraid I don't know what unicode
is :-/  ...another thing that's gone beyond my computer knowledge

http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/r.w.gilmour/tests/test.htm

I did the test below by writing with SIL Sophia IPA93 font in word.
Then, saved as html from word and put it into Jquiz - saved it as an
html file again and put it up on the web.

Will this work? Are there issues about doing it this way?  Can you
tell from the source if this is unicode or not?

Bob



--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, sarneil <sarneil@u...>
wrote:
> Hi Bob
>
> Martin's reply has arrived just as I was writing mine.
>
> The important thing is that you use a Unicode font, regardless of
who produces
> it. I'll bet fonts that ship with Windows and with Office include
the IPA
> characters, but I haven't checked.  The advantage to Unicode fonts
as that the
> user's computer will look for a font that contains the character
if the
> default font doesn't. It also ensures that your data and pages
will be
> readable by computer systems into the foreseeable future.
>
>
> >===== Original Message From "bobwgilmour" <bobwgilmour@y...> =====
> >Hello everyone,
> >
> >I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted to
> >check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and
installing
> >the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?
> >
> >Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?
Does
> >anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot pot
based
> >on experience?
> >
> >All help appreciated
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Stewart Arneil
> University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
> Half-Baked Software Inc.

Hi there,

This is ABSOLUTELY the wrong way to go. Most people will not see the
correct characters unless you use Unicode. I don't think SIL should even be
distributing these old fonts any more; they're actually worse than useless,
unless your objective is only to produce a print document that you will
print off today and then delete from your hard drive!

If you don't know about Unicode, it's really time to learn; otherwise you
will waste a lot of time creating materials that no-one can use. It's
pretty straightforward -- here's an intro:

<http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/>

Here's the main Unicode site:

<http://www.unicode.org>

Cheers,
Martin

At 09:29 AM 01/06/2005, you wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Hello again,
>
>Thanks for both your replies.  I'm afraid I don't know what unicode
>is :-/  ...another thing that's gone beyond my computer knowledge
>
>http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/r.w.gilmour/tests/test.htm
>
>I did the test below by writing with SIL Sophia IPA93 font in word.
>Then, saved as html from word and put it into Jquiz - saved it as an
>html file again and put it up on the web.
>
>Will this work? Are there issues about doing it this way?  Can you
>tell from the source if this is unicode or not?
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, sarneil <sarneil@u...>
>wrote:
> > Hi Bob
> >
> > Martin's reply has arrived just as I was writing mine.
> >
> > The important thing is that you use a Unicode font, regardless of
>who produces
> > it. I'll bet fonts that ship with Windows and with Office include
>the IPA
> > characters, but I haven't checked.  The advantage to Unicode fonts
>as that the
> > user's computer will look for a font that contains the character
>if the
> > default font doesn't. It also ensures that your data and pages
>will be
> > readable by computer systems into the foreseeable future.
> >
> >
> > >===== Original Message From "bobwgilmour" <bobwgilmour@y...> =====
> > >Hello everyone,
> > >
> > >I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted to
> > >check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and
>installing
> > >the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?
> > >
> > >Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?
>Does
> > >anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot pot
>based
> > >on experience?
> > >
> > >All help appreciated
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Stewart Arneil
> > University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
> > Half-Baked Software Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

______________________________________
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
mholmes@...
martin@...
mholmes@...
http://www.mholmes.com
http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com

Thanks for this.  So, can unicode fonts be typed directly into hot
potatoes or is it better created in word, saved as html and then
added to the hot potatoes file?

Bob

--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Martin Holmes
<mholmes@u...> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> This is ABSOLUTELY the wrong way to go. Most people will not see
the
> correct characters unless you use Unicode. I don't think SIL
should even be
> distributing these old fonts any more; they're actually worse than
useless,
> unless your objective is only to produce a print document that you
will
> print off today and then delete from your hard drive!
>
> If you don't know about Unicode, it's really time to learn;
otherwise you
> will waste a lot of time creating materials that no-one can use.
It's
> pretty straightforward -- here's an intro:
>
> <http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/>
>
> Here's the main Unicode site:
>
> <http://www.unicode.org>
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> At 09:29 AM 01/06/2005, you wrote:
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >Hello again,
> >
> >Thanks for both your replies.  I'm afraid I don't know what
unicode
> >is :-/  ...another thing that's gone beyond my computer knowledge
> >
> >http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/r.w.gilmour/tests/test.htm
> >
> >I did the test below by writing with SIL Sophia IPA93 font in
word.
> >Then, saved as html from word and put it into Jquiz - saved it as
an
> >html file again and put it up on the web.
> >
> >Will this work? Are there issues about doing it this way?  Can you
> >tell from the source if this is unicode or not?
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, sarneil <sarneil@u...>
> >wrote:
> > > Hi Bob
> > >
> > > Martin's reply has arrived just as I was writing mine.
> > >
> > > The important thing is that you use a Unicode font, regardless
of
> >who produces
> > > it. I'll bet fonts that ship with Windows and with Office
include
> >the IPA
> > > characters, but I haven't checked.  The advantage to Unicode
fonts
> >as that the
> > > user's computer will look for a font that contains the
character
> >if the
> > > default font doesn't. It also ensures that your data and pages
> >will be
> > > readable by computer systems into the foreseeable future.
> > >
> > >
> > > >===== Original Message From "bobwgilmour" <bobwgilmour@y...>
=====
> > > >Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > >I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted
to
> > > >check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and
> >installing
> > > >the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?
> > > >
> > > >Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?
> >Does
> > > >anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot
pot
> >based
> > > >on experience?
> > > >
> > > >All help appreciated
> > > >
> > > >Thanks
> > > >
> > > >Bob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Stewart Arneil
> > > University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
> > > Half-Baked Software Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ______________________________________
> Martin Holmes
> University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
> mholmes@u...
> martin@m...
> mholmes@h...
> http://www.mholmes.com
> http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
> http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com

Hi there,

You can't type a Unicode font; you can type a series of codepoints,
which are displayed using glyphs from the current font.

Don't ever use Word for creating Web documents. It's a disaster.

I think the first thing to do is what I suggested before: learn how
Unicode works and what it is. Once you have an understanding of that,
you'll be in a better position to examine the available options for your
own situation.

This is what I do to insert IPA characters in HotPot:

1. Make sure you have a capable Unicode font selected in the main
interface (Options / Font) and that the same font is available to your
students and included in the font list in the Config / Appearance panel.
That will ensure that what you see in the app and in the page is the
same as what your students see. Of course, they must also have that font
on their computer to see exactly the same thing, but if they have any
Unicode font that covers the right range, they should see the right
characters. In the config I usually specify a series of fonts in a list,
so it's more likely one of them will be available on any given computer:
"Lucida Sans Unicode", "Arial Unicode MS", Code2000...

2. Start the Windows Character Map (Start / Programs / Accessories /
System Tools / Character Map).

3. Choose the same font in Character Map.

4. Find the characters I want, double-click them to add them to the text
box, and copy/paste them into HotPot.

It might seem from this that fonts are important, but actually they're
not. You're not "typing in a font"; the font is not somehow included in
the page, and the characters don't contain any reference to the font.
What you're typing is a string of numbers, each representing a codepoint
(a character, essentially) in the Unicode standard. The application (the
browser, or HotPot, or any application) uses the glyph (character shape)
for each codepoint to display it. The point is that if it's Unicode,
every font will have the same glyph in the same place, so it doesn't
matter if you don't have the right font; some other font will do, as
long as it covers the range of codepoints you're using. If it's not
Unicode (like the old SIL fonts), then fonts will have different glyphs
in different places, and your document is useless.

Cheers,
Martin

bobwgilmour wrote:

>Thanks for this.  So, can unicode fonts be typed directly into hot
>potatoes or is it better created in word, saved as html and then
>added to the hot potatoes file?
>
>Bob
>
>--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Martin Holmes
><mholmes@u...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>This is ABSOLUTELY the wrong way to go. Most people will not see
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>correct characters unless you use Unicode. I don't think SIL
>>
>>
>should even be
>
>
>>distributing these old fonts any more; they're actually worse than
>>
>>
>useless,
>
>
>>unless your objective is only to produce a print document that you
>>
>>
>will
>
>
>>print off today and then delete from your hard drive!
>>
>>If you don't know about Unicode, it's really time to learn;
>>
>>
>otherwise you
>
>
>>will waste a lot of time creating materials that no-one can use.
>>
>>
>It's
>
>
>>pretty straightforward -- here's an intro:
>>
>><http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/>
>>
>>Here's the main Unicode site:
>>
>><http://www.unicode.org>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Martin
>>
>>At 09:29 AM 01/06/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>>>
>>>Hello again,
>>>
>>>Thanks for both your replies.  I'm afraid I don't know what
>>>
>>>
>unicode
>
>
>>>is :-/  ...another thing that's gone beyond my computer knowledge
>>>
>>>http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/r.w.gilmour/tests/test.htm
>>>
>>>I did the test below by writing with SIL Sophia IPA93 font in
>>>
>>>
>word.
>
>
>>>Then, saved as html from word and put it into Jquiz - saved it as
>>>
>>>
>an
>
>
>>>html file again and put it up on the web.
>>>
>>>Will this work? Are there issues about doing it this way?  Can you
>>>tell from the source if this is unicode or not?
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, sarneil <sarneil@u...>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Bob
>>>>
>>>>Martin's reply has arrived just as I was writing mine.
>>>>
>>>>The important thing is that you use a Unicode font, regardless
>>>>
>>>>
>of
>
>
>>>who produces
>>>
>>>
>>>>it. I'll bet fonts that ship with Windows and with Office
>>>>
>>>>
>include
>
>
>>>the IPA
>>>
>>>
>>>>characters, but I haven't checked.  The advantage to Unicode
>>>>
>>>>
>fonts
>
>
>>>as that the
>>>
>>>
>>>>user's computer will look for a font that contains the
>>>>
>>>>
>character
>
>
>>>if the
>>>
>>>
>>>>default font doesn't. It also ensures that your data and pages
>>>>
>>>>
>>>will be
>>>
>>>
>>>>readable by computer systems into the foreseeable future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>===== Original Message From "bobwgilmour" <bobwgilmour@y...>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>=====
>
>
>>>>>Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>>I saw some older messages about this issue - so I just wanted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>>check.  Is the best way to do this still by downloading and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>installing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the SIL Encore IPA fonts and the Tavultesoft Keyman?
>>>>>
>>>>>Has anyone been doing this recently with some examples online?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>Does
>>>
>>>
>>>>>anyone have any tips for inputting phonemic symbols into hot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>pot
>
>
>>>based
>>>
>>>
>>>>>on experience?
>>>>>
>>>>>All help appreciated
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

Hi,
I've had a look at the pages on the HotPot site regarding this,
downloaded the player and copied the code.
I've made an exercise using audio files, which initially I saved as wav
files and had problems using different browsers as you pointed out.
I've converted them to  mp3, but what I don't understand is where to
add the amended code.
Presumably it's an addition to the code that HotPot places in the table
when a media object is inserted?

I'm a novice at this. I can edit code to amend image sizes and text,
but have no real understanding.

This is my original code:

<object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000"
codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/
swflash.cab#version=7,0,14,0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"
width="100" height="30"> <param name="movie" value="sounds/yellow.mp3"
/> <a href="sounds/yellow.mp3" alt="sounds/yellow.mp3">Click to
play</a></object>

Where do I put the extra bit in?

If the Flash Player is included in the folder with the sounds, what
amends do I need to make to the hbs_mp3_player.swf bit of code please?

Cheers,
Liz

Yeah, yeah, I'm replying to my own message, I know ....

I've worked out what and where for the code.

My lesson: "Think and try things before panicking and sending emails."

Thanks for reading though. :-)

Very cute player though. Love it.

Thanks.

Liz

On 2 Jun 2005, at 19:15, Liz Marshall wrote:

> Hi,
>  I've had a look at the pages on the HotPot site regarding this, 
>  downloaded the player and copied the code.
>  I've made an exercise using audio files, which initially I saved as
> wav 
>  files and had problems using different browsers as you pointed out.
>  I've converted them to  mp3, but what I don't understand is where to 
>  add the amended code.
>  Presumably it's an addition to the code that HotPot places in the
> table 
>  when a media object is inserted?

Hello!  This might sound trivial but ... I have tried to create a cloze
exercise and followed the instructions.  The 'gap' word becomes
underlined and turns to red.  It doesn't become a gap.  Please tell me
what I'm doing wrong!  ( I have signed up )  Thanks SH

Sounds like you haven't created the HMTL page. Click on Create Web Page and
you should be fine.

Elek

----- Original Message -----
From: "simonhipps" <s.hipps@...>
To: <hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: [hotpotatoesusers] Jcloze


> Hello!  This might sound trivial but ... I have tried to create a cloze
> exercise and followed the instructions.  The 'gap' word becomes
> underlined and turns to red.  It doesn't become a gap.  Please tell me
> what I'm doing wrong!  ( I have signed up )  Thanks SH
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi there,

If you're using the Flash mp3 player, you can't use the Insert Media Object
function. That will suffice to insert a Flash movie you have which is
standalone, but if you want to use our player, you need to follow the
instructions in the tutorial exactly: copy and paste the code for the
player into the HotPot exercise, and add the path to your own MP3 file. So
in your case, it would look like this:

<object data="hbs_mp3_player.swf" width="24" height="17"
style="vertical-align: bottom;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash">
<param name="type" value="application/x-shockwave-flash" />
<param name="src" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
<param name="data" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
<param name="codebase" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
<param name="FlashVars" value="TheSound=sounds/yellow.mp3" />
<param name="allowScriptAccess" value="sameDomain" />
<param name="movie" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
<param name="loop" value="false" />
<param name="quality" value="high" />
<param name="wmode" value="transparent" />
<a href="narrative1.mp3">sounds/yellow.mp3</a>
</object>

You'll need to make sure the hbs_mp3_player.swf file is sitting in the same
folder as your exercise page, and the mp3 file is in a subfolder called
"sounds". If you've done all that, and it still doesn't work, post the URL
and we'll check it out.

Cheers,
Martin
At 11:15 AM 02/06/2005, you wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Hi,
>I've had a look at the pages on the HotPot site regarding this,
>downloaded the player and copied the code.
>I've made an exercise using audio files, which initially I saved as wav
>files and had problems using different browsers as you pointed out.
>I've converted them to  mp3, but what I don't understand is where to
>add the amended code.
>Presumably it's an addition to the code that HotPot places in the table
>when a media object is inserted?
>
>I'm a novice at this. I can edit code to amend image sizes and text,
>but have no real understanding.
>
>This is my original code:
>
><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000"
>codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/
>swflash.cab#version=7,0,14,0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"
>width="100" height="30"> <param name="movie" value="sounds/yellow.mp3"
>/> <a href="sounds/yellow.mp3" alt="sounds/yellow.mp3">Click to
>play</a></object>
>
>Where do I put the extra bit in?
>
>If the Flash Player is included in the folder with the sounds, what
>amends do I need to make to the hbs_mp3_player.swf bit of code please?
>
>Cheers,
>Liz
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

______________________________________
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
mholmes@...
martin@...
mholmes@...
http://www.mholmes.com
http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com

Hi there,

You have authored an exercise, but you haven't exported it to create a Web
page (so you obviously haven't actually worked through the tutorial). Work
through the tutorial, then you'll see how it works.

Cheers,
Martin

At 11:55 AM 02/06/2005, you wrote:
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>Hello!  This might sound trivial but ... I have tried to create a cloze
>exercise and followed the instructions.  The 'gap' word becomes
>underlined and turns to red.  It doesn't become a gap.  Please tell me
>what I'm doing wrong!  ( I have signed up )  Thanks SH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

______________________________________
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
mholmes@...
martin@...
mholmes@...
http://www.mholmes.com
http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com

Hi Martin,
Thanks for the reply. I twigged that I didn't need the code generated
by choosing a player and managed to work it out. It does work too. :-)

I'm using the Java HotPotatoes6 with OSX. I know you're still working
on the JCross. I created my own words in the grid and added the clues,
but although it's saved as a jcw file, when I try to save as an htm
file nothing happens. Is this me or a bug?

Thanks again.

Liz


On 2 Jun 2005, at 22:10, Martin Holmes wrote:

> Hi there,
>
>  If you're using the Flash mp3 player, you can't use the Insert Media
> Object
>  function. That will suffice to insert a Flash movie you have which is
>  standalone, but if you want to use our player, you need to follow the
>  instructions in the tutorial exactly: copy and paste the code for the
>  player into the HotPot exercise, and add the path to your own MP3
> file. So
>  in your case, it would look like this:
>
>  <object data="hbs_mp3_player.swf" width="24" height="17"
>  style="vertical-align: bottom;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash">
>  <param name="type" value="application/x-shockwave-flash" />
>  <param name="src" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
>  <param name="data" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
>  <param name="codebase" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
>  <param name="FlashVars" value="TheSound=sounds/yellow.mp3" />
>  <param name="allowScriptAccess" value="sameDomain" />
>  <param name="movie" value="hbs_mp3_player.swf" />
>  <param name="loop" value="false" />
>  <param name="quality" value="high" />
>  <param name="wmode" value="transparent" />
>  <a href="narrative1.mp3">sounds/yellow.mp3</a>
>  </object>
>
>  You'll need to make sure the hbs_mp3_player.swf file is sitting in
> the same
>  folder as your exercise page, and the mp3 file is in a subfolder
> called
>  "sounds". If you've done all that, and it still doesn't work, post
> the URL
>  and we'll check it out.
>
>  Cheers,
>  Martin
>  At 11:15 AM 02/06/2005, you wrote:
>  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>  >
>  >Hi,
>  >I've had a look at the pages on the HotPot site regarding this,
>  >downloaded the player and copied the code.
>  >I've made an exercise using audio files, which initially I saved as
> wav
>  >files and had problems using different browsers as you pointed out.
>  >I've converted them to  mp3, but what I don't understand is where to
>  >add the amended code.
>  >Presumably it's an addition to the code that HotPot places in the
> table
>  >when a media object is inserted?
>  >
>  >I'm a novice at this. I can edit code to amend image sizes and text,
>  >but have no real understanding.
>  >
>  >This is my original code:
>  >
>  ><object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000"
>  >codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/
>  >swflash.cab#version=7,0,14,0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"
>  >width="100" height="30"> <param name="movie"
> value="sounds/yellow.mp3"
>  >/> <a href="sounds/yellow.mp3" alt="sounds/yellow.mp3">Click to
>  >play</a></object>
>  >
>  >Where do I put the extra bit in?
>  >
>  >If the Flash Player is included in the folder with the sounds, what
>  >amends do I need to make to the hbs_mp3_player.swf bit of code
> please?
>  >
>  >Cheers,
>  >Liz
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >Yahoo! Groups Links
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  ______________________________________
>  Martin Holmes
>  University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
>  mholmes@...
>  martin@...
>  mholmes@...
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> http://web.uvic.ca/hcmc/
> http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com
>
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Hi Liz

I'm writing the Java JCross. If you've created the grid and clues and
get nothing in an output page, that's a bug. Please send an email to
me with your jcross data file and web page as attachments and I'll
take a look.

By the way, I've created a version of the "autocreate grid from list
of words" feature. It will be included in the next release of Java
Hot Potatoes. That release has been delayed because it is also
including a revamped system for generating texts for the interface
items to allow translation of the interface. That's taken a lot
longer than I anticipated. I've got it more or less working but have
not tested it yet. I hope to have something released within the next
week or so.

>I'm using the Java HotPotatoes6 with OSX. I know you're still
>working on the JCross. I created my own words in the grid and added
>the clues, but although it's saved as a jcw file, when I try to save
>as an htm file nothing happens. Is this me or a bug?

Thanks again.


--
Stewart Arneil
Head of Research and Development, Humanities Computing and Media Centre,
University of Victoria, Canada

HI John,

The image is set to float right, and floats take elements out of the
normal flow of the page. To get the layout you want, I think you may
have to create some divs to contain the text and the picture. Put the
picture after the text, put each in a div, and set the text div to float
left.

Cheers,
Martin

John Taylor-Johnston wrote:

> I have a CSS problem. Here is an example:
> http://ccl.flsh.usherbrooke.ca/~johj2201/aaa.htm
> What CSS do I have to change so the div wraps around the photo. Right
> now the photo spills outside. Otherwise I'm forced to create a table cell?
> John
>
> <div class="biodiv"><img src="/images/ddmontreal4.jpg" style="float:
> right;" width="200" height="300" border="1"> </div>
>
> <style type="text/css">
> <!--
> .biodiv{
> font-size: 9pt;
> text-decoration: italics;
>
> border-top: 2px solid #000011;
> border-left: 2px solid #000011;
> border-right: 4px solid #000099;
> border-bottom: 5px solid #000099;
> padding: 0.5em;
> margin-left: 30px;
> }
> //-->
> </style>
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HI John,

The image is set to float right, and floats take elements out of the
normal flow of the page. To get the layout you want, I think you may
have to create some divs to contain the text and the picture. Put the
picture after the text, put each in a div, and set the text div to float
left.

Cheers,
Martin

John Taylor-Johnston wrote:

> I have a CSS problem. Here is an example:
> http://ccl.flsh.usherbrooke.ca/~johj2201/aaa.htm
> What CSS do I have to change so the div wraps around the photo. Right
> now the photo spills outside. Otherwise I'm forced to create a table cell?
> John
>
> <div class="biodiv"><img src="/images/ddmontreal4.jpg" style="float:
> right;" width="200" height="300" border="1">&nbsp;</div>
>
> <style type="text/css">
> <!--
> .biodiv{
> font-size: 9pt;
> text-decoration: italics;
>
> border-top: 2px solid #000011;
> border-left: 2px solid #000011;
> border-right: 4px solid #000099;
> border-bottom: 5px solid #000099;
> padding: 0.5em;
> margin-left: 30px;
> }
> //-->
> </style>
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Hi,
How do I do this correctly in xhtml again please?

<a name="">

John

Thanks Elek and Martin.  You were both right.  As a newbie I had
never saved to a web page before so I was a bit hesitant.

Simon





--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "Elek Mathe" <elek@e...>
wrote:
> Sounds like you haven't created the HMTL page. Click on Create Web
Page and
> you should be fine.
>
> Elek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "simonhipps" <s.hipps@n...>
> To: <hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:55 PM
> Subject: [hotpotatoesusers] Jcloze
>
>
> > Hello!  This might sound trivial but ... I have tried to create
a cloze
> > exercise and followed the instructions.  The 'gap' word becomes
> > underlined and turns to red.  It doesn't become a gap.  Please
tell me
> > what I'm doing wrong!  ( I have signed up )  Thanks SH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Hi,
I'm working on a jqz file and I would like to make the instructions
spoken as well as written. I have put a video in the Reading text box
and would like the instructions above the video to be spoken.

I have already downloaded the Flash Player and used it to add sound to
jmt files.
Is it possible to use the same code to add sound to the instructions?

At the moment the code for the written instructions are after the
</head> in the coding, would I have to move them?

Can I add an edited line of code, as on the Tutorial about the flash
player, if so, where would I add it?

I need to point out that I am not an experienced coder, my knowledge is
growing exponentially at the moment!

Thanks,
Liz

Beste Liz,
  In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Liz Marshall <lizz@d...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm working on a jqz file and I would like to make the
instructions
> spoken as well as written. I have put a video in the Reading text
box
> and would like the instructions above the video to be spoken.
>
> I have already downloaded the Flash Player and used it to add
sound to
> jmt files.
> Is it possible to use the same code to add sound to the
instructions?

Try it out, would be my suggestion.  Then you see what happens.

On my website www.hennyjellema.nl  you can see different ways of
using sound.  Maybe it gives you the idea. Look here:

this is with Pygs'player ( see the files of this forum) :

http://www.hennyjellema.nl/praktijkvakken/theezetten/theezetten2.htm

this is with Martins' flash player whitout a slider:
http://www.hennyjellema.nl/praktijkvakken/pizza/introluistertest.htm

Here with a slider:
http://www.hennyjellema.nl/taal/sprookjes/roodkapje/roodkapje1.htm

and here with windows media player:
http://www.hennyjellema.nl/taal/sprookjes/roodkapje/roodkapje4a.htm

You always can put the sound code in the instructions field and also
in the section of the reading text, which can be very practical.

> At the moment the code for the written instructions are after the
> </head> in the coding, would I have to move them?

Why don't you put it in the instruction area of the configuration
screen?

> Can I add an edited line of code, as on the Tutorial about the
flash
> player, if so, where would I add it?

Open the configuration screen, first tab.  "Titles and instructions".


Hartelijke groeten van Henny.

Beste Martin and or others,

I still find it very difficult to  change hot pot files by  doing
something with CSS.

As far as I understand,  the basic of CSS is,  that one keeps
the `dressing up' of a page separated  from the (html)rest.

For example, if I look in the source of Hot Potatoes Homepage I see
this:

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="hotpot6.css"></link>

If I do the same on the page `news' I see the same:

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="hotpot6.css"></link>

that's no surprise,  because the pages have the same presentation.

And  if I go to the Licenses page,   I see this code:

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css_styles.css"></link>

the same at the quandeary page :

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="css_styles.css"></link>

and again, everybody with clear eyes can see that the pages are the
similar ( except for their content).

I think Martin, you have somewhere files in store named:
hotpot6.css  and styles.css.  And you link one or the other whenever
you need one.  Your pages will therefore have the same design and
you have to make this design only once.

So far so good?

I can read in documentation ( there is lots about it on the internet
and in bookstores !! )  what one can put in a style sheet. And what
should be kept as html. I even think,  I understand the content of
our hp6.cs_  file.

But  when I try to find  something like <link rel="stylesheet" type
…..  in the  Source files of hot potatoes,   in the   .ht_  files I
only see this:

<style type="text/css">

[strStyleSheet]

</style>

as far as it comes to CSS things.
And as a matter of fact, I don't know what to do.
I would be very happy by some tutorial here.  Thanks beforehand.

Hartelijke groeten van Henny.

Hi Henny,
Thank you for the advice. I'll try it out as you suggest.
I liked the Little Red Ridinghood story, a good idea for children to
understand story telling.

The Windows Media player doesn't work well for me. I use a Mac. It
opens another window in the browser, so you have to use the back button
to get the original page back. Even on the PC it is not reliable,
particularly if you use browsers other than IE.

Thanks again, Henny.

Cheers,
Liz

On 4 Jun 2005, at 13:59, hennyjellema wrote:

> Beste Liz,
>  In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Liz Marshall <lizz@d...> wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > I'm working on a jqz file and I would like to make the
>  instructions
>  > spoken as well as written. I have put a video in the Reading text
>  box
>  > and would like the instructions above the video to be spoken.
>  >
>  > I have already downloaded the Flash Player and used it to add
>  sound to
>  > jmt files.
>  > Is it possible to use the same code to add sound to the
>  instructions?
>
>  Try it out, would be my suggestion.  Then you see what happens.
>
>  On my website www.hennyjellema.nl  you can see different ways of
>  using sound.  Maybe it gives you the idea. Look here:
>
>  this is with Pygs'player ( see the files of this forum) :
>
> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/praktijkvakken/theezetten/theezetten2.htm
>
>  this is with Martins' flash player whitout a slider:
> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/praktijkvakken/pizza/introluistertest.htm
>
>  Here with a slider:
> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/taal/sprookjes/roodkapje/roodkapje1.htm
>
>  and here with windows media player:
> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/taal/sprookjes/roodkapje/roodkapje4a.htm
>
>  You always can put the sound code in the instructions field and also
>  in the section of the reading text, which can be very practical.
>
>  > At the moment the code for the written instructions are after the
>  > </head> in the coding, would I have to move them?
>
>  Why don't you put it in the instruction area of the configuration
>  screen?
>
>  > Can I add an edited line of code, as on the Tutorial about the
>  flash
>  > player, if so, where would I add it?
>
>  Open the configuration screen, first tab.  "Titles and instructions".
>
>
>  Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>
>
>
>
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<a id="TheId"></a>

Any element at all in XHTML can have an id attribute, and any element
can be linked to using:

page.htm#TheId

There's no need to use empty anchors any more.

Cheers,
Martin

John Taylor-Johnston wrote:
> Hi,
> How do I do this correctly in xhtml again please?
>
> <a name="">
>
> John
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>