Hi there,

That's a very old version of JCloze, so it would be a good idea to get
the current version. However, the order of answers is always
alphabetical, and they seem to be alphabetical in your exercise. Is
there something wrong with that?

Cheers,
Martin

Paul Brants wrote:
> Next exercise from JCloze doesn't want to mix his answers in the dropdownlist.
It is created with JCloze 6.0 Release 3 Build 17. So first alternative is right
for first gap, etc ..., wich is very unconvenient
>
> Greetings
>
>
> http://users.pandora.be/pbrants/ci1/lezioneII_7/mettere.htm

Is there a way to merge a typing question into a series of MC
questions? What I mean is, still have the next button (as in a list of
MC questions) and then instead of one of the MC questions have a
seperate typing question in there. I don't need it to keep score of
them all, I just really need it to tell whether it's right or wrong.
Any help?

Hi

JQuiz allows you to create an exercise containing both text-entry
questions and multiple-choice questions. For each question, choose the
type you want from the drop-down list.
You can use JQuiz to create a Hybrid question, which starts out as a
text-entry and then if the student doesn't get the correct answer after
a couple of tries transforms into a multiple-choice question.
You can not include both buttons and text entry items simultaneously as
answers in JQuiz question.

drarchevil wrote:
> Is there a way to merge a typing question into a series of MC
> questions? What I mean is, still have the next button (as in a list of
> MC questions) and then instead of one of the MC questions have a
> seperate typing question in there. I don't need it to keep score of
> them all, I just really need it to tell whether it's right or wrong.
> Any help?

Hi there,

I think you just need to choose a short-answer question instead of a
multiple-choice question (in the drop-down box at the top right).

Cheers,
Martin

drarchevil wrote:
> Is there a way to merge a typing question into a series of MC
> questions? What I mean is, still have the next button (as in a list of
> MC questions) and then instead of one of the MC questions have a
> seperate typing question in there. I don't need it to keep score of
> them all, I just really need it to tell whether it's right or wrong.
> Any help?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
(mholmes@...)
Half-Baked Software, Inc.
(mholmes@...)
martin@...

--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Martin Holmes <mholmes@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I just checked the code of this page, and there are lots of unclosed
> image tags. I think your HTML needs to be cleaned up. If the DOM
> hierarchy of the page is damaged by unclosed tags and obsolete
> attributes such as align and vspace, then the page can't function properly:
>
> <http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bu.edu%2Fcelop%
2Fmll%2Fteachers%2Fquiz%2Fres%2Fmc.html>
>
> Cheers,
> Martin


Thanks, Martin, for taking a look, but I don't think this is a factor.  A lot of
code doesn't
validate by w3 standards but it's still supported perfectly well by most
browsers.

As I mentioned, the test results can funtion perfectly fine one time and not the
next, even
under the same conditions (platform, browser). It seems to only vary by which
questions
are answered. For example, if I answer all questions correctly the first time,
the results
work fine, but if I answer some wrong, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
I just
can't establish a pattern for which combination of wrong answers leads to an
incomplete
form.

Thanks anyway. Cheers,

-John
___________________________________________
John de Szendeffy
Multimedia Language Lab
Center for English Language and Orientation Programs
Boston University
890 Commonwealth Ave., 2nd floor
Boston, MA 02215  USA
ph 	 617.353.7957
fx 	 617.353.6195
lab 	 http://www.bu.edu/celop/mll/
personal  http://people.bu.edu/johndesz/

"A Practical Guide to Using Computers in Language Teaching"
http://www.press.umich.edu/titleDetailDesc.do?id=97662

Hi there,

johndesz wrote:
> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Martin Holmes <mholmes@...> wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I just checked the code of this page, and there are lots of unclosed
>> image tags. I think your HTML needs to be cleaned up. If the DOM
>> hierarchy of the page is damaged by unclosed tags and obsolete
>> attributes such as align and vspace, then the page can't function properly:
>>
>> <http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bu.edu%2Fcelop%
> 2Fmll%2Fteachers%2Fquiz%2Fres%2Fmc.html>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>
>
> Thanks, Martin, for taking a look, but I don't think this is a factor.  A lot
of code doesn't
> validate by w3 standards but it's still supported perfectly well by most
browsers.

This absolutely IS a factor. Invalid code in XHTML 1.1 will break your
page. Sorry, but times have changed; we're not dealing with HTML 4 here.
While your code is broken, there's no point in looking at anything else.
A fractured DOM, which is what your code results in, would produce
exactly these unpredictable results, because what effectively happens is
that everything following an unclosed image tag is INSIDE that tag; it's
not in the normal document flow. Browsers handle fractured DOMs in
different ways; some will work backwards through the document, others
work forwards, and they have to guess where a tag ought to be closed if
they encounter an opening tag without a closing tag. Checking answers
results in JavaScript trying to make changes to elements in the DOM, but
if the hierarchy is broken, those changes will generate errors.

It's not hard to fix the code -- just close your image tags and get rid
of those attributes that aren't allowed. For hspace and vspace you just
need to set margins in a style attribute. This is how to fix one of your
tags:

<img src="login_screen.gif" alt="Login Screen" title="" width="200"
height="184" align="right" vspace="5" hspace="10">

becomes

<img src="login_screen.gif" alt="Login Screen" title="" width="200"
height="184" style="margin: 5px 10px 5px 10px; float: right;"></img>

Cheers,
Martin
>
> As I mentioned, the test results can funtion perfectly fine one time and not
the next, even
> under the same conditions (platform, browser). It seems to only vary by which
questions
> are answered. For example, if I answer all questions correctly the first time,
the results
> work fine, but if I answer some wrong, sometimes it works, sometimes it
doesn't. I just
> can't establish a pattern for which combination of wrong answers leads to an
incomplete
> form.
>
> Thanks anyway. Cheers,
>
> -John
> ___________________________________________
> John de Szendeffy
> Multimedia Language Lab
> Center for English Language and Orientation Programs
> Boston University
> 890 Commonwealth Ave., 2nd floor
> Boston, MA 02215  USA
> ph 	 617.353.7957
> fx 	 617.353.6195
> lab 	 http://www.bu.edu/celop/mll/
> personal  http://people.bu.edu/johndesz/
>
> "A Practical Guide to Using Computers in Language Teaching"
> http://www.press.umich.edu/titleDetailDesc.do?id=97662
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
(mholmes@...)
Half-Baked Software, Inc.
(mholmes@...)
martin@...

Hi there,

I don't know where you could post your exercises. Does your school have
a Web server?

Cheers,
Martin

Annie Scourion wrote:
> I try to speak english
> I would like put my exercices on my blog. Can you tell me a server's
> name Where I can send them.
> Thank you very much
>
> Je voudrais trouver un hébergeur pour y mettre les exercices de mon blog.
> pouvez vous me donner une adresse.
> Merci
>
> --
> annie-clis-voltaire-denain.over-blog.com
> <http://annie-clis-voltaire-denain.over-blog.com>

--
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University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
(mholmes@...)
Half-Baked Software, Inc.
(mholmes@...)
martin@...

I notice that when I make a matching quiz with the drag and drop
feature, the incorrect tile is not removed automatically, but instead
just turns black and must be moved back to the righthand column
manually. I investigated this on other sites that have a matching game
like this, and it seems to work on some but not on others. They have
the same problem I have. What would cause this and how can I resolve
it? Thanks for any help.

Hi there,

An incorrect tile should move slightly to the right, so that the student
can see that it's wrong, but doesn't forget where he or she put it, and
make the same mistake again. If you have an exercise that doesn't behave
like this, please send the URL.

Cheers,
Martin

MGNUZZI wrote:
> I notice that when I make a matching quiz with the drag and drop
> feature, the incorrect tile is not removed automatically, but instead
> just turns black and must be moved back to the righthand column
> manually. I investigated this on other sites that have a matching game
> like this, and it seems to work on some but not on others. They have
> the same problem I have. What would cause this and how can I resolve
> it? Thanks for any help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Beste Stewart,

Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to have
a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and that
the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:

http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm

But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.

But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?

I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a permanent
part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar at
the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.

Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
organise my potatoes better.

Hartelijke groeten van Henny.




--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
<sarneil@...> wrote:
>
> The jmix exercise at
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> are blue.
>
> There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
general:
>   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more general
rule
>   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
earlier
> So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you have
in the
> html file already is relative to where the css file is included in
your
> html file. If your css file is included before the css already in
the
> file then any conflicts between the included css and the resident
css
> will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
included
> after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts between
the
> included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
included css.
> The included css must always go in the head of the html file, so
any css
> declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
(that's
> true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
>
> hennyjellema wrote:
> > Beste Martin,
> >
> > In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> >
> > task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -  forgive
me if
> > I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
normal
> > Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> >
> > And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> > If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an html
page
> > to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already in
that
> > page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?  Or
does
> > it only work in new pages?
> >
> > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Hi Henny,

It's not really possible to separate out parts of a page using CSS in
this way. There are several alternatives you might consider:

1. Use frames. It's not the best solution, but it's workable. Your
external document will have to be "XHTML 1.0 Frameset":

<!DOCTYPE html
PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Frameset//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-frameset.dtd">

but the documents inside the individual frames can be XTHML 1.1 if you want.

2. Use iframes. The iframe tag is available in XHTML 1.0 transitional
and frameset (but not in 1.1). An iframe is an inline frame -- it works
pretty much like a frame.

3. Use object tags instead of iframes. Here's a tutorial on how to do that:

<http://www.createblog.com/tutorials/download.php?id=118>

4. Use server-side includes or php (whichever is best supported on your
server) to include header, menu and footer content in your page. This is
the most common way to handle this problem, but you need to understand a
little SSI or PHP to use it.

Cheers,
Martin

hennyjellema wrote:
> Beste Stewart,
>
> Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to have
> a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and that
> the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
>
> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
>
> But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
>
> But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
>
> I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a permanent
> part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar at
> the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
>
> Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> organise my potatoes better.
>
> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>
>
>
>
> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> <sarneil@...> wrote:
>> The jmix exercise at
>> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
>> is green, whereas the other examples, such as
>> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
>> are blue.
>>
>> There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> general:
>>   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more general
> rule
>>   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> earlier
>> So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you have
> in the
>> html file already is relative to where the css file is included in
> your
>> html file. If your css file is included before the css already in
> the
>> file then any conflicts between the included css and the resident
> css
>> will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> included
>> after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts between
> the
>> included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> included css.
>> The included css must always go in the head of the html file, so
> any css
>> declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> (that's
>> true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
>>
>> hennyjellema wrote:
>>> Beste Martin,
>>>
>>> In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
>>>
>>> task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -  forgive
> me if
>>> I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> normal
>>> Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
>>>
>>> And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
>>> If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an html
> page
>>> to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already in
> that
>>> page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?  Or
> does
>>> it only work in new pages?
>>>
>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
(mholmes@...)
Half-Baked Software, Inc.
(mholmes@...)
martin@...

Hi Henny and Martin
A 5th, and perhaps simpler, way would be to make changes, temporary or
permanent, in the underlying .ht_ file. You could also have several
.ht_ files for different purposes.
Cheers
Jorgen

--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Martin Holmes <mholmes@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Henny,
>
> It's not really possible to separate out parts of a page using CSS in
> this way. There are several alternatives you might consider:
>
> 1. Use frames. It's not the best solution, but it's workable. Your
> external document will have to be "XHTML 1.0 Frameset":
>
> <!DOCTYPE html
> PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Frameset//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-frameset.dtd">
>
> but the documents inside the individual frames can be XTHML 1.1 if
you want.
>
> 2. Use iframes. The iframe tag is available in XHTML 1.0 transitional
> and frameset (but not in 1.1). An iframe is an inline frame -- it works
> pretty much like a frame.
>
> 3. Use object tags instead of iframes. Here's a tutorial on how to
do that:
>
> <http://www.createblog.com/tutorials/download.php?id=118>
>
> 4. Use server-side includes or php (whichever is best supported on your
> server) to include header, menu and footer content in your page.
This is
> the most common way to handle this problem, but you need to
understand a
> little SSI or PHP to use it.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> hennyjellema wrote:
> > Beste Stewart,
> >
> > Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to have
> > a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and that
> > the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> > Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
> >
> > http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
> >
> > But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
> >
> > But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
> >
> > I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> > they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> > ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a permanent
> > part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar at
> > the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
> >
> > Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> > organise my potatoes better.
> >
> > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> > <sarneil@> wrote:
> >> The jmix exercise at
> >> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> >> is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> >> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> >> are blue.
> >>
> >> There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> > general:
> >>   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more general
> > rule
> >>   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> > earlier
> >> So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you have
> > in the
> >> html file already is relative to where the css file is included in
> > your
> >> html file. If your css file is included before the css already in
> > the
> >> file then any conflicts between the included css and the resident
> > css
> >> will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> > included
> >> after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts between
> > the
> >> included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> > included css.
> >> The included css must always go in the head of the html file, so
> > any css
> >> declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> > (that's
> >> true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
> >>
> >> hennyjellema wrote:
> >>> Beste Martin,
> >>>
> >>> In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> >>>
> >>> task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -  forgive
> > me if
> >>> I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> > normal
> >>> Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> >>>
> >>> And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> >>> If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an html
> > page
> >>> to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already in
> > that
> >>> page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?  Or
> > does
> >>> it only work in new pages?
> >>>
> >>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Martin Holmes
> University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
> (mholmes@...)
> Half-Baked Software, Inc.
> (mholmes@...)
> martin@...
>

Hi Martin/Stewart,

If you have some time, might you be able to post something on where you
see Hot Potatoes (PC version) heading over the next 6 months?  Are there
any major upgrades or new releases planned?

Thanks!

Cheers

Hi there,

By the end of the year, I will have integrated SCORM 1.2 support into
HotPot and Quandary, along with an output option for creating a portable
zip file containing all the files (images etc.) for an exercise, with
URLs all simplified.

Meanwhile, Stew will finish the Java version.

Then we start on HotPot 7, which has been discussed quite a lot on this
group. We're in the process of separating the HotPot work from our unit
at UVic, in order to gain more time for development work on HotPot.

Cheers,
Martin

rjlaws wrote:
> Hi Martin/Stewart,
>
> If you have some time, might you be able to post something on where you
> see Hot Potatoes (PC version) heading over the next 6 months?  Are there
> any major upgrades or new releases planned?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
(mholmes@...)
Half-Baked Software, Inc.
(mholmes@...)
martin@...

Hello Henny,

I've recently redone a site using this template:
<http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>

It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
<http://www.oswd.org/>

I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help about
how to use and modify it.

Cheers,
Glenys

--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
<hennyjellema@...> wrote:
>
> Beste Stewart,
>
> Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to have
> a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and that
> the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
>
> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
>
> But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
>
> But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
>
> I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a permanent
> part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar at
> the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
>
> Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> organise my potatoes better.
>
> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>
>
>
>
> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> sarneil@ wrote:
> >
> > The jmix exercise at
> > <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> > is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> > <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> > are blue.
> >
> > There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> general:
> >   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more general
> rule
> >   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> earlier
> > So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you have
> in the
> > html file already is relative to where the css file is included in
> your
> > html file. If your css file is included before the css already in
> the
> > file then any conflicts between the included css and the resident
> css
> > will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> included
> > after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts between
> the
> > included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> included css.
> > The included css must always go in the head of the html file, so
> any css
> > declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> (that's
> > true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
> >
> > hennyjellema wrote:
> > > Beste Martin,
> > >
> > > In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> > >
> > > task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -  forgive
> me if
> > > I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> normal
> > > Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> > >
> > > And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> > > If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an html
> page
> > > to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already in
> that
> > > page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?  Or
> does
> > > it only work in new pages?
> > >
> > > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Beste Glenys,

Nice to hear from you!
About your tip:  I think it is a good one for new pages, but  as
Stewart told me at the beginning of this subject,  CSS  is not so
good to handle for pages already existing.  But I will give it a try.

Jorgen, I'm afraid  I do not understand your suggestion. You're
talking about the potatoe source files, right?

Martin,  I'm afraid that PHP  is not going to work for my wish. I'm
fighting with frames again,  tonight.  That will say
until "Midsummer murders" comes along. I  believe sergeant Troy is
far more entertaining, right now.   Never bothers about frames or
CSS; the lucky man!

Hartelijke groeten van  Henny.



--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "ghanson47"
<glenys.hanson@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Henny,
>
> I've recently redone a site using this template:
> <http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>
>
> It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
> <http://www.oswd.org/>
>
> I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help
about
> how to use and modify it.
>
> Cheers,
> Glenys
>
> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
> <hennyjellema@> wrote:
> >
> > Beste Stewart,
> >
> > Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to
have
> > a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and
that
> > the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> > Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
> >
> > http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
> >
> > But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
> >
> > But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
> >
> > I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> > they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> > ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a
permanent
> > part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar
at
> > the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
> >
> > Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> > organise my potatoes better.
> >
> > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> > sarneil@ wrote:
> > >
> > > The jmix exercise at
> > >
<http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> > > is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> > >
<http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> > > are blue.
> > >
> > > There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> > general:
> > >   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more
general
> > rule
> > >   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> > earlier
> > > So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you
have
> > in the
> > > html file already is relative to where the css file is
included in
> > your
> > > html file. If your css file is included before the css already
in
> > the
> > > file then any conflicts between the included css and the
resident
> > css
> > > will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> > included
> > > after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts
between
> > the
> > > included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> > included css.
> > > The included css must always go in the head of the html file,
so
> > any css
> > > declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> > (that's
> > > true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
> > >
> > > hennyjellema wrote:
> > > > Beste Martin,
> > > >
> > > > In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> > > >
> > > > task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -
forgive
> > me if
> > > > I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> > normal
> > > > Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> > > >
> > > > And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> > > > If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an
html
> > page
> > > > to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already
in
> > that
> > > > page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?
Or
> > does
> > > > it only work in new pages?
> > > >
> > > > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Henny,

Why do you think PHP won't work for you?

Cheers,
Martin

hennyjellema wrote:
> Beste Glenys,
>
> Nice to hear from you!
> About your tip:  I think it is a good one for new pages, but  as
> Stewart told me at the beginning of this subject,  CSS  is not so
> good to handle for pages already existing.  But I will give it a try.
>
> Jorgen, I'm afraid  I do not understand your suggestion. You're
> talking about the potatoe source files, right?
>
> Martin,  I'm afraid that PHP  is not going to work for my wish. I'm
> fighting with frames again,  tonight.  That will say
> until "Midsummer murders" comes along. I  believe sergeant Troy is
> far more entertaining, right now.   Never bothers about frames or
> CSS; the lucky man!
>
> Hartelijke groeten van  Henny.
>
>
>
> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "ghanson47"
> <glenys.hanson@...> wrote:
>> Hello Henny,
>>
>> I've recently redone a site using this template:
>> <http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>
>>
>> It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
>> <http://www.oswd.org/>
>>
>> I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help
> about
>> how to use and modify it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Glenys
>>
>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
>> <hennyjellema@> wrote:
>>> Beste Stewart,
>>>
>>> Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to
> have
>>> a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and
> that
>>> the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
>>> Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
>>>
>>> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
>>>
>>> But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
>>>
>>> But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
>>>
>>> I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
>>> they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
>>> ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a
> permanent
>>> part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar
> at
>>> the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
>>>
>>> Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
>>> organise my potatoes better.
>>>
>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
>>> sarneil@ wrote:
>>>> The jmix exercise at
>>>>
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
>>>> is green, whereas the other examples, such as
>>>>
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
>>>> are blue.
>>>>
>>>> There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
>>> general:
>>>>   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more
> general
>>> rule
>>>>   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
>>> earlier
>>>> So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you
> have
>>> in the
>>>> html file already is relative to where the css file is
> included in
>>> your
>>>> html file. If your css file is included before the css already
> in
>>> the
>>>> file then any conflicts between the included css and the
> resident
>>> css
>>>> will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
>>> included
>>>> after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts
> between
>>> the
>>>> included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
>>> included css.
>>>> The included css must always go in the head of the html file,
> so
>>> any css
>>>> declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
>>> (that's
>>>> true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
>>>>
>>>> hennyjellema wrote:
>>>>> Beste Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>> In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -
> forgive
>>> me if
>>>>> I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
>>> normal
>>>>> Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
>>>>>
>>>>> And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
>>>>> If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an
> html
>>> page
>>>>> to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already
> in
>>> that
>>>>> page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?
> Or
>>> does
>>>>> it only work in new pages?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
(mholmes@...)
Half-Baked Software, Inc.
(mholmes@...)
martin@...

Hi Henny
You could try this:
create a separate file with  the menu you want to include; don't include
<html>
<head></head>
<title></title>
<body > </body>
</html>
just what is inside <body > </body>

save it as anything.inc

then in your files, include the following line where you want your menu
to appear.

<!--#include file="name_of_your_menu.inc"-->


I hope it helps

Fernanda

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:11:58 -0000
"hennyjellema" <hennyjellema@...> wrote:

> Beste Glenys,
>
> Nice to hear from you!
> About your tip:  I think it is a good one for new pages, but  as
> Stewart told me at the beginning of this subject,  CSS  is not so
> good to handle for pages already existing.  But I will give it a try.
>
> Jorgen, I'm afraid  I do not understand your suggestion. You're
> talking about the potatoe source files, right?
>
> Martin,  I'm afraid that PHP  is not going to work for my wish. I'm
> fighting with frames again,  tonight.  That will say
> until "Midsummer murders" comes along. I  believe sergeant Troy is
> far more entertaining, right now.   Never bothers about frames or
> CSS; the lucky man!
>
> Hartelijke groeten van  Henny.
>
>
>
> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "ghanson47"
> <glenys.hanson@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Henny,
> >
> > I've recently redone a site using this template:
> > <http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>
> >
> > It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
> > <http://www.oswd.org/>
> >
> > I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help
> about
> > how to use and modify it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Glenys
> >
> > --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
> > <hennyjellema@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Beste Stewart,
> > >
> > > Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to
> have
> > > a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and
> that
> > > the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> > > Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
> > >
> > > http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
> > >
> > > But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
> > >
> > > But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
> > >
> > > I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> > > they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> > > ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a
> permanent
> > > part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar
> at
> > > the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
> > >
> > > Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> > > organise my potatoes better.
> > >
> > > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> > > sarneil@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The jmix exercise at
> > > >
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> > > > is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> > > >
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> > > > are blue.
> > > >
> > > > There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> > > general:
> > > >   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more
> general
> > > rule
> > > >   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> > > earlier
> > > > So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you
> have
> > > in the
> > > > html file already is relative to where the css file is
> included in
> > > your
> > > > html file. If your css file is included before the css already
> in
> > > the
> > > > file then any conflicts between the included css and the
> resident
> > > css
> > > > will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> > > included
> > > > after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts
> between
> > > the
> > > > included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> > > included css.
> > > > The included css must always go in the head of the html file,
> so
> > > any css
> > > > declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> > > (that's
> > > > true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
> > > >
> > > > hennyjellema wrote:
> > > > > Beste Martin,
> > > > >
> > > > > In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -
> forgive
> > > me if
> > > > > I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> > > normal
> > > > > Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> > > > >
> > > > > And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> > > > > If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an
> html
> > > page
> > > > > to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already
> in
> > > that
> > > > > page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?
> Or
> > > does
> > > > > it only work in new pages?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hi there,

This is using server-side includes. You can see this in action on
<http://hotpot.uvic.ca/>. Look at the source of the index page, then go
here:

<http://hotpot.uvic.ca/header6.inc>

You'll see the XHTML fragment which is in the include file. The code of
the actual index page looks like this:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
               xml:lang="en">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="hotpot6.css"></link>
<title>Hot Potatoes Home Page</title>
</head>
<body>
<!--#include virtual="header6.inc" -->
<!--#include virtual="menu6.inc" -->

<h2>Hot Potatoes Home Page</h2>

....

Then the includes are replaced by the text in the files by the server,
before the page is sent out.

The approach using PHP is exactly the same, but the syntax is slightly
different.

Cheers,
Martin

Fernanda Rodrigues wrote:
> Hi Henny
> You could try this:
> create a separate file with  the menu you want to include; don't include
> <html>
> <head></head>
> <title></title>
> <body > </body>
> </html>
> just what is inside <body > </body>
>
> save it as anything.inc
>
> then in your files, include the following line where you want your menu
> to appear.
>
> <!--#include file="name_of_your_menu.inc"-->
>
>
> I hope it helps
>
> Fernanda
>
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:11:58 -0000
> "hennyjellema" <hennyjellema@...> wrote:
>
>> Beste Glenys,
>>
>> Nice to hear from you!
>> About your tip:  I think it is a good one for new pages, but  as
>> Stewart told me at the beginning of this subject,  CSS  is not so
>> good to handle for pages already existing.  But I will give it a try.
>>
>> Jorgen, I'm afraid  I do not understand your suggestion. You're
>> talking about the potatoe source files, right?
>>
>> Martin,  I'm afraid that PHP  is not going to work for my wish. I'm
>> fighting with frames again,  tonight.  That will say
>> until "Midsummer murders" comes along. I  believe sergeant Troy is
>> far more entertaining, right now.   Never bothers about frames or
>> CSS; the lucky man!
>>
>> Hartelijke groeten van  Henny.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "ghanson47"
>> <glenys.hanson@...> wrote:
>>> Hello Henny,
>>>
>>> I've recently redone a site using this template:
>>> <http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>
>>>
>>> It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
>>> <http://www.oswd.org/>
>>>
>>> I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help
>> about
>>> how to use and modify it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Glenys
>>>
>>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
>>> <hennyjellema@> wrote:
>>>> Beste Stewart,
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to
>> have
>>>> a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and
>> that
>>>> the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
>>>> Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
>>>>
>>>> But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
>>>>
>>>> But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
>>>>
>>>> I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
>>>> they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
>>>> ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a
>> permanent
>>>> part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar
>> at
>>>> the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
>>>> organise my potatoes better.
>>>>
>>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
>>>> sarneil@ wrote:
>>>>> The jmix exercise at
>>>>>
>> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
>>>>> is green, whereas the other examples, such as
>>>>>
>> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
>>>>> are blue.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
>>>> general:
>>>>>   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more
>> general
>>>> rule
>>>>>   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
>>>> earlier
>>>>> So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you
>> have
>>>> in the
>>>>> html file already is relative to where the css file is
>> included in
>>>> your
>>>>> html file. If your css file is included before the css already
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> file then any conflicts between the included css and the
>> resident
>>>> css
>>>>> will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
>>>> included
>>>>> after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts
>> between
>>>> the
>>>>> included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
>>>> included css.
>>>>> The included css must always go in the head of the html file,
>> so
>>>> any css
>>>>> declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
>>>> (that's
>>>>> true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
>>>>>
>>>>> hennyjellema wrote:
>>>>>> Beste Martin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -
>> forgive
>>>> me if
>>>>>> I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
>>>> normal
>>>>>> Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
>>>>>> If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an
>> html
>>>> page
>>>>>> to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already
>> in
>>>> that
>>>>>> page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?
>> Or
>>>> does
>>>>>> it only work in new pages?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Concelho de Setúbal, por favor envie um email para be_set@...
> comunicando essa intenção.
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Martin Holmes
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
(mholmes@...)
Half-Baked Software, Inc.
(mholmes@...)
martin@...

Hello again Henny,
In fact, I redid a whole existing site using
<http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>. Almost
all the pages still have the same URLs. I can't show you the "before"
but the "after" is here
<http://assoc.orange.fr/une.education.pour.demain/home.htm>
There are still some problems: the search engine doesn't work and when
you try to print out articles they're truncated on the right hand
side. Hope to fix these soon!
The only bit that I didn't know how to include "inside" the navigation
  bars are the Hot Potatoes exercises!
Cheers,
Glenys

--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
<hennyjellema@...> wrote:
>
> Beste Glenys,
>
> Nice to hear from you!
> About your tip:  I think it is a good one for new pages, but  as
> Stewart told me at the beginning of this subject,  CSS  is not so
> good to handle for pages already existing.  But I will give it a try.
>
> Jorgen, I'm afraid  I do not understand your suggestion. You're
> talking about the potatoe source files, right?
>
> Martin,  I'm afraid that PHP  is not going to work for my wish. I'm
> fighting with frames again,  tonight.  That will say
> until "Midsummer murders" comes along. I  believe sergeant Troy is
> far more entertaining, right now.   Never bothers about frames or
> CSS; the lucky man!
>
> Hartelijke groeten van  Henny.
>
>
>
> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "ghanson47"
> <glenys.hanson@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Henny,
> >
> > I've recently redone a site using this template:
> > <http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>
> >
> > It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
> > <http://www.oswd.org/>
> >
> > I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help
> about
> > how to use and modify it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Glenys
> >
> > --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
> > <hennyjellema@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Beste Stewart,
> > >
> > > Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to
> have
> > > a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and
> that
> > > the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> > > Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
> > >
> > > http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
> > >
> > > But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
> > >
> > > But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
> > >
> > > I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> > > they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> > > ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a
> permanent
> > > part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar
> at
> > > the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
> > >
> > > Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> > > organise my potatoes better.
> > >
> > > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> > > sarneil@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The jmix exercise at
> > > >
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> > > > is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> > > >
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> > > > are blue.
> > > >
> > > > There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> > > general:
> > > >   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more
> general
> > > rule
> > > >   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> > > earlier
> > > > So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you
> have
> > > in the
> > > > html file already is relative to where the css file is
> included in
> > > your
> > > > html file. If your css file is included before the css already
> in
> > > the
> > > > file then any conflicts between the included css and the
> resident
> > > css
> > > > will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> > > included
> > > > after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts
> between
> > > the
> > > > included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> > > included css.
> > > > The included css must always go in the head of the html file,
> so
> > > any css
> > > > declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> > > (that's
> > > > true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
> > > >
> > > > hennyjellema wrote:
> > > > > Beste Martin,
> > > > >
> > > > > In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -
> forgive
> > > me if
> > > > > I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> > > normal
> > > > > Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> > > > >
> > > > > And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> > > > > If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an
> html
> > > page
> > > > > to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already
> in
> > > that
> > > > > page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?
> Or
> > > does
> > > > > it only work in new pages?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi, Martin
Yes, I suspected that, but not being sure, I didn't want to use that
"label" with my line of code... that reminds me of  Monsieur Jourdain
who had been speaking prose without knowing anything about it!
:)

Fernanda

On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:01:32 -0700
Martin Holmes <mholmes@...> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> This is using server-side includes. You can see this in action on
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/>. Look at the source of the index page, then go
> here:
>
> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/header6.inc>
>
> You'll see the XHTML fragment which is in the include file. The code of
> the actual index page looks like this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "xhtml11.dtd">
> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>               xml:lang="en">
> <head>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="hotpot6.css"></link>
> <title>Hot Potatoes Home Page</title>
> </head>
> <body>
> <!--#include virtual="header6.inc" -->
> <!--#include virtual="menu6.inc" -->
>
> <h2>Hot Potatoes Home Page</h2>
>
> ....
>
> Then the includes are replaced by the text in the files by the server,
> before the page is sent out.
>
> The approach using PHP is exactly the same, but the syntax is slightly
> different.
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> Fernanda Rodrigues wrote:
> > Hi Henny
> > You could try this:
> > create a separate file with  the menu you want to include; don't include
> > <html>
> > <head></head>
> > <title></title>
> > <body > </body>
> > </html>
> > just what is inside <body > </body>
> >
> > save it as anything.inc
> >
> > then in your files, include the following line where you want your menu
> > to appear.
> >
> > <!--#include file="name_of_your_menu.inc"-->
> >
> >
> > I hope it helps
> >
> > Fernanda
> >
> > On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:11:58 -0000
> > "hennyjellema" <hennyjellema@...> wrote:
> >
> >> Beste Glenys,
> >>
> >> Nice to hear from you!
> >> About your tip:  I think it is a good one for new pages, but  as
> >> Stewart told me at the beginning of this subject,  CSS  is not so
> >> good to handle for pages already existing.  But I will give it a try.
> >>
> >> Jorgen, I'm afraid  I do not understand your suggestion. You're
> >> talking about the potatoe source files, right?
> >>
> >> Martin,  I'm afraid that PHP  is not going to work for my wish. I'm
> >> fighting with frames again,  tonight.  That will say
> >> until "Midsummer murders" comes along. I  believe sergeant Troy is
> >> far more entertaining, right now.   Never bothers about frames or
> >> CSS; the lucky man!
> >>
> >> Hartelijke groeten van  Henny.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "ghanson47"
> >> <glenys.hanson@...> wrote:
> >>> Hello Henny,
> >>>
> >>> I've recently redone a site using this template:
> >>> <http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>
> >>>
> >>> It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
> >>> <http://www.oswd.org/>
> >>>
> >>> I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help
> >> about
> >>> how to use and modify it.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Glenys
> >>>
> >>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
> >>> <hennyjellema@> wrote:
> >>>> Beste Stewart,
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to
> >> have
> >>>> a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and
> >> that
> >>>> the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> >>>> Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
> >>>>
> >>>> But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
> >>>>
> >>>> But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> >>>> they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> >>>> ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a
> >> permanent
> >>>> part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar
> >> at
> >>>> the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> >>>> organise my potatoes better.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> >>>> sarneil@ wrote:
> >>>>> The jmix exercise at
> >>>>>
> >> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> >>>>> is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> >>>>>
> >> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> >>>>> are blue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> >>>> general:
> >>>>>   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more
> >> general
> >>>> rule
> >>>>>   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> >>>> earlier
> >>>>> So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you
> >> have
> >>>> in the
> >>>>> html file already is relative to where the css file is
> >> included in
> >>>> your
> >>>>> html file. If your css file is included before the css already
> >> in
> >>>> the
> >>>>> file then any conflicts between the included css and the
> >> resident
> >>>> css
> >>>>> will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> >>>> included
> >>>>> after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts
> >> between
> >>>> the
> >>>>> included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> >>>> included css.
> >>>>> The included css must always go in the head of the html file,
> >> so
> >>>> any css
> >>>>> declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> >>>> (that's
> >>>>> true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> hennyjellema wrote:
> >>>>>> Beste Martin,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -
> >> forgive
> >>>> me if
> >>>>>> I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> >>>> normal
> >>>>>> Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> >>>>>> If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an
> >> html
> >>>> page
> >>>>>> to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already
> >> in
> >>>> that
> >>>>>> page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?
> >> Or
> >>>> does
> >>>>>> it only work in new pages?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.

Hi there,
I've used a simple javascript document.write('my menu links or any
other stuff, some\'s escaped') to write my menu and footer at
http://ictlt.teachereducation.org.uk

Then, in the body <script src="js/menu.js"
type="text/javascript"></script>

and you have different ##.js files linked to different webpages ...

the approach is similar to the SSI (ServerSideIncludes)
Surely, PHP will do a better job and will give you more flexibility
and more dynamic pages.

Greets

Stan

--- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Fernanda Rodrigues
<fernanda.rodrigues@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Martin
> Yes, I suspected that, but not being sure, I didn't want to use that
> "label" with my line of code... that reminds me of  Monsieur Jourdain
> who had been speaking prose without knowing anything about it!
> :)
>
> Fernanda
>
> On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:01:32 -0700
> Martin Holmes <mholmes@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > This is using server-side includes. You can see this in action on
> > <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/>. Look at the source of the index page,
then go
> > here:
> >
> > <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/header6.inc>
> >
> > You'll see the XHTML fragment which is in the include file. The
code of
> > the actual index page looks like this:
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "xhtml11.dtd">
> > <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
> >               xml:lang="en">
> > <head>
> > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1" />
> > <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="hotpot6.css"></link>
> > <title>Hot Potatoes Home Page</title>
> > </head>
> > <body>
> > <!--#include virtual="header6.inc" -->
> > <!--#include virtual="menu6.inc" -->
> >
> > <h2>Hot Potatoes Home Page</h2>
> >
> > ....
> >
> > Then the includes are replaced by the text in the files by the
server,
> > before the page is sent out.
> >
> > The approach using PHP is exactly the same, but the syntax is
slightly
> > different.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Martin
> >
> > Fernanda Rodrigues wrote:
> > > Hi Henny
> > > You could try this:
> > > create a separate file with  the menu you want to include; don't
include
> > > <html>
> > > <head></head>
> > > <title></title>
> > > <body > </body>
> > > </html>
> > > just what is inside <body > </body>
> > >
> > > save it as anything.inc
> > >
> > > then in your files, include the following line where you want
your menu
> > > to appear.
> > >
> > > <!--#include file="name_of_your_menu.inc"-->
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope it helps
> > >
> > > Fernanda
> > >
> > > On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:11:58 -0000
> > > "hennyjellema" <hennyjellema@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Beste Glenys,
> > >>
> > >> Nice to hear from you!
> > >> About your tip:  I think it is a good one for new pages, but  as
> > >> Stewart told me at the beginning of this subject,  CSS  is not so
> > >> good to handle for pages already existing.  But I will give it
a try.
> > >>
> > >> Jorgen, I'm afraid  I do not understand your suggestion. You're
> > >> talking about the potatoe source files, right?
> > >>
> > >> Martin,  I'm afraid that PHP  is not going to work for my wish.
I'm
> > >> fighting with frames again,  tonight.  That will say
> > >> until "Midsummer murders" comes along. I  believe sergeant Troy is
> > >> far more entertaining, right now.   Never bothers about frames or
> > >> CSS; the lucky man!
> > >>
> > >> Hartelijke groeten van  Henny.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "ghanson47"
> > >> <glenys.hanson@> wrote:
> > >>> Hello Henny,
> > >>>
> > >>> I've recently redone a site using this template:
> > >>> <http://www.zap.org.au/documents/styles/sinorcaish/example/>
> > >>>
> > >>> It's one of thousands of open source templates you can find at
> > >>> <http://www.oswd.org/>
> > >>>
> > >>> I recommend this one because it gives a lot of pedagogical help
> > >> about
> > >>> how to use and modify it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Glenys
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, "hennyjellema"
> > >>> <hennyjellema@> wrote:
> > >>>> Beste Stewart,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Maybe I better tell you what I'm trying to do.  I would like to
> > >> have
> > >>>> a website in which  at the top  things are always the same and
> > >> that
> > >>>> the part under is changing.  Like people often make with frames.
> > >>>> Just for the try, I fröbelt a bit with a frame:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.hennyjellema.nl/geschiedenis/kwissen/index.htm
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But I understood  CSS is preferable over frames.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But how do I get an extended CSS sheet which does what I want?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have several books here and consulted internet sites about it,
> > >>>> they all tell me how I can put in colors, background, fonts...
> > >>>> ect.  But I cannot find the solution to part a page in a
> > >> permanent
> > >>>> part and a changing part by CSS. Or how to make a navigation bar
> > >> at
> > >>>> the top which stays there, while pages under it care changing.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Do you have an idea?  If this seems off-topic, I only try to
> > >>>> organise my potatoes better.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --- In hotpotatoesusers@yahoogroups.com, Stewart Arneil
> > >>>> sarneil@ wrote:
> > >>>>> The jmix exercise at
> > >>>>>
> > >> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_04.htm>
> > >>>>> is green, whereas the other examples, such as
> > >>>>>
> > >> <http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/examples/task_03.htm>
> > >>>>> are blue.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There are rules for how conflicting css rules are applied. In
> > >>>> general:
> > >>>>>   - the more specific rule takes precedence over the more
> > >> general
> > >>>> rule
> > >>>>>   - the rule applied later takes priority over the rule applied
> > >>>> earlier
> > >>>>> So, the answer to your question depends on where any css you
> > >> have
> > >>>> in the
> > >>>>> html file already is relative to where the css file is
> > >> included in
> > >>>> your
> > >>>>> html file. If your css file is included before the css already
> > >> in
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> file then any conflicts between the included css and the
> > >> resident
> > >>>> css
> > >>>>> will go in favour of the resident css. If your css file is
> > >>>> included
> > >>>>> after the resident css in the header, then any conflicts
> > >> between
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>> included css and the resident css will go in favour of the
> > >>>> included css.
> > >>>>> The included css must always go in the head of the html file,
> > >> so
> > >>>> any css
> > >>>>> declared inline in the body of the document will take priority
> > >>>> (that's
> > >>>>> true whether the css in the head is resident or included).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> hennyjellema wrote:
> > >>>>>> Beste Martin,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> In http://hotpot.uvic.ca/howto/hacking_workshop/index.htm
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> task 4: you give an example  of a Jmix exercise. But -
> > >> forgive
> > >>>> me if
> > >>>>>> I overlook  something -  I do not see any difference with a
> > >>>> normal
> > >>>>>> Jmix?  What's the effect of the style sheet?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> And can I ask another  ( maybe naieve )  question?
> > >>>>>> If one makes an external stylesheet and makes a link in an
> > >> html
> > >>>> page
> > >>>>>> to that style sheet, will then  the things which are already
> > >> in
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>>> page ( colors, fonts... ) be overruled by the style sheet?
> > >> Or
> > >>>> does
> > >>>>>> it only work in new pages?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hartelijke groeten van Henny.
>

I cannot unzip

javahotpot60.zip

for Mac OS X

with Stuffit Expander 10.0.

Could somebody help me?

Where can I increase the cache if necessary?

Hi

I use the Mac OS to zip the java hot potatoes folder. I've no other reports of
a problem with StuffIt, so don't have a ready answer for you. I'll do some
investigating and get back to you.



>===== Original Message From "Rolf Oberhaensli" <newsgroups@...>
=====
>I cannot unzip
>
>javahotpot60.zip
>
>for Mac OS X
>
>with Stuffit Expander 10.0.
>
>Could somebody help me?
>
>Where can I increase the cache if necessary?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Stewart Arneil
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
Half-Baked Software Inc.

Hi Rolf

I've just installed and run StuffIt Expander 10.0 on a mac running OS 10.3.9
and it opened the javahotpot60.zip file successfully for me.

What version of the Mac OS are you running? If you're running 10.4, you should
probably try StuffIt Expander 11. If you're running an older version of the
mac OS X, check the stuffit site to see if version 10 is compatible with your
version of the OS.

>===== Original Message From "Rolf Oberhaensli" <newsgroups@...>
=====
>I cannot unzip
>
>javahotpot60.zip
>
>for Mac OS X
>
>with Stuffit Expander 10.0.
>
>Could somebody help me?
>
>Where can I increase the cache if necessary?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Stewart Arneil
University of Victoria Humanities Computing and Media Centre
Half-Baked Software Inc.

Thank you, Sameil. I have Mac OS 10.4.8.

I have to update Stuffit Expander 10 first to Stuffit Expander 10.4 and from
here to 11. Both
upgrades are not free. So I hesitate to invest money I don't have in 'new'
software versions.

Regards,
Rolf

Hi to all,

I've been messing about with Vista RC1. I've given it a good run with
Hot Potatoes and so far everything works flawlessly.

Cheers,

Bernard