The tardis, the public access hp2000 emulator [mickey.ath.cx] that I have been running for >1 year suffered a hard drive failure (guess that’s what I get for...
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Tim Riker
timriker
Jun 6, 2006 12:04 am
How many folks on the list are building apps from assembly for the hp2100 series? I've been using a modified version of Eric Smith's asm21.pl for little stuff,...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 6, 2006 1:27 am
Tim wrote... ... I am. ... The biggest problem in Eric's asm21 is there's no support for Relocatable format. That's a rather important thing, once you get...
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Tim Riker
timriker
Jun 6, 2006 4:42 pm
... Well, I knew that much. :) OK, how many _others_ are building from assembly? :) ... running. ... Relocatable ... Agreed completely. Hence my asking you for...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 6, 2006 5:10 pm
You wrote... ... Actually, I started re-writing asm21 (or the HP assembler, to be more pendantic) in C using lex/yacc... but Eric said he was going to add ...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 6, 2006 7:11 pm
You wrote.... ... MSU Basic is NOT related to HP TSB. Not in any way shape or form. You can't call it "MSU TSB". Sorry to be so pendantic but it is important....
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mgemeny
Jun 6, 2006 7:58 pm
Interesting. I was always under the impression that the HP2000 product line was based on PREPARE Time Share Basic done at Montana State University (MSU) by...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 6, 2006 11:58 pm
Mike Gemeny wrote.... ... I have, and the similarities don't strike me as tell-tale. ... Actually, I'd like more info as to what gave you the impression Kile...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 1:36 am
... Further thought... I assume you mean the prepare module, MSU basic wasn't called "prepare". It, like many HP environments, had a "prepare" module and a "to...
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mgemeny
Jun 7, 2006 1:48 am
Jay, I was just looking at MSU basic and comparing some if it with Access and some of the language processor code is clearly (to my eye) related. (other...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 2:20 am
Mike wrote.... ... I'd need a lot more evidence than that. Assign 30 college students a programming project. You'll find at least 15 of them use the same...
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Tim Riker
timriker
Jun 7, 2006 6:35 am
I've gotten the MSU assembled and built an absolute tape. All I can get the absolute tape to do is this: YEAR? 11 MONTH? 11 DAY? 11 TIME? 1111 at which point...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 12:19 pm
Mike wrote.... ... Something else to research: Hypothetically if the code was used as a basis for work by someone else, then who used who's code? Follow the...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 3:51 pm
Preface: I'm attempting to guess without looking at the code for more than a moment, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt... Tim wrote.... ... You mean...
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Quentin North
quentinnuk
Jun 7, 2006 4:34 pm
On 7 Jun 2006, at 00:58, Jay West wrote:
> After Steve Porter left HP, he founded a company making timesharing
> computers much like TSB (can't recall the...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 5:04 pm
Quentin wrote.... ... I would be very highly interested in this, from a historical prospective. Can anyone add to this? Jay West...
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Tim Riker
timriker
Jun 7, 2006 5:05 pm
... ok :) ... yes. but the entry point to the absolute tape image is at 100 so is it likely that an interrupt or some system call might fall through to 100 and...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 5:24 pm
You wrote.... ... I was suspecting a powerfail interrupt or something along those lines too, but I didn't spend the time to look far enough and see if...
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Tim Riker
timriker
Jun 7, 2006 5:48 pm
http://rikers.org/hp2100/msu/ has the asm sources, the abs tapes, and the lst list files. boot.abs is the configured image. (no direct sources or list) -- Tim...
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Lane Rollins
lanerollins
Jun 7, 2006 10:51 pm
I worked on another system in the early to mid 80's, the company was called Basic Timeshare, Inc. It seems like I lost hard drives on it rather frequently and...
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Eric Smith
jdripper
Jun 7, 2006 10:52 pm
... It's not clear that it was a "generic industry term" in 1968. That's a little like arguing that Kimberly-Clark shouldn't have called their tissues...
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Eric Smith
jdripper
Jun 7, 2006 11:01 pm
Resending, seemed to get dropped before... Jay wrote. ... Actually I've been rewriting it in Python, as I despise Perl and don't want to tackle adding...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 11:05 pm
Eric wrote.... ... You're saying that HP coined the idea and terminology of a Time-shared basic interpreter? That's silly. Timesharing basic interpreters were...
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Jay West
classiccmp1024
Jun 7, 2006 11:16 pm
Eric wrote.... ... You rock Eric :) That would be awesome! ... True, but if you're gonna use one, you might as well graft in the other. People who may come...
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Eric Smith
jdripper
Jun 8, 2006 12:34 am
... I didn't say anything about the "idea". Obviously Dartmouth had BASIC on their timesharing system earlier (1964?). But to my knowledge they did not refer...
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COURYHOUSE@...
couryhousesmecc
Jun 8, 2006 12:50 am
a yes the old BTI'S ... Thanks, Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC See the Museum's Web Site at www.smecc.org We are always looking for items to add to the...
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COURYHOUSE@...
couryhousesmecc
Jun 8, 2006 12:55 am
it became generic only after it was in use for a while eh? ... Thanks, Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC See the Museum's Web Site at www.smecc.org We are always...
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Devon Sean McCullough
hp2100s
Jun 8, 2006 1:16 am
From: Eric Smith <eric@...> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 17:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Have you ever seen a pre-1968 system that was specifically referred to as...
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Quentin North
quentinnuk
Jun 8, 2006 5:20 pm
Sounds similar to the Equinox but Im pretty sure is not it. I think the BTI is too early (1976 I believe) and I dont think its was microprocessor based?...
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Lane Rollins
lanerollins
Jun 9, 2006 10:49 pm
I was working with the BTI's from 79-82 area. It wasn't a microprocessor based unit. It was all about the same time as the NorthStar and Cromemco. I think...
