It seems to be time to vote on the task for the next competition... so
here's the traditional voting form. I've added the tasks that have
recently been suggested on this mailinglist.

You can distribute up to 5 (five) points among the tasks. That is, you
can give a single task 5 points, or you can give one task 3 points and
another task 2 points, or you can give each of five tasks 1 point,...

Of course you have to use positive decimal integer numbers, i.e. 1 for
one, 2 for two, 3 for three, 4 for four, and 5 for five. All other
numbers are not allowed. ;)

Write the numbers in the brackets ("[ ]") in front of the task
suggestion(s) of your choice.

Send your votes to:
hugi@...

Deadline: Wednesday, May 17, 2000, 10:59 pm GMT

---------------------------------------------------------------

[ ]  00  Animation (e.g. fullscreen analog clock)
[ ]  01  Ansi Compressor
[ ]  02  Ansi-to-com or Ascii-to-com Converter
[ ]  03  Appointment Checker
[ ]  04  Artificial Intelligence (e.g. neuronal network)
[ ]  05  Assembler or Disassembler
[ ]  06  CD Player
[ ]  07  Circle Drawer or Line Drawer
[ ]  08  Dictionary
[ ]  09  Encoder (e.g. UU, XX, MIME64, c96,...)
[ ]  0A  Factorial Numbers Calculator
[ ]  0B  Fractal Drawer (e.g. IFS, Mandelbrot)
[ ]  0C  Taquin puzzle solver
[ ]  0D  Game: 8x8 Battleship
[ ]  0E  Game: 8x8 Reversi
[ ]  0F  Game: Brick out
[ ]  10  Game: Card game
[ ]  11  Game: Pac Man
[ ]  12  Game: Puzzle
[ ]  13  Game: Tetris-like game
[ ]  14  Game: Sokoban
[ ]  15  Game: Digger
[ ]  16  HP Plotter
[ ]  17  GIF viewer
[ ]  18  Memory dumper
[ ]  19  Mouse driver
[ ]  1A  Pattern recognition
[ ]  1B  Prime Numbers Finder
[ ]  1C  Program that counts the number of words in a file
[ ]  1D  Random Number Generator
[ ]  1E  Sin/cos/ln emulator w/o FPU use
[ ]  1F  Speech-to-text system
[ ]  20  Text mode calendar
[ ]  21  Spline drawer
[ ]  22  Bezier drawer
[ ]  23  Megacalc (256.256 fixed point calculator)

---------------------------------------------------------------

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

>
> >
> > I like the idea of a gif viewer for the next contest but wonder if there
> > would be any interest in code that takes advantage of the FPU, such as a
> > Mandelbrot generator.
> >
>
> A fixed file GIF viewer would be pretty nice.  However, is there
> a copyright
> problem with Compuserve?  An FPU compo would be interesting...
>

IIRC there is a copyright problem only for _creating_ GIF files.

I checked "About" in Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator. Neither even
mentions Compuserve.

/GreenGhost
---
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----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Blaney <loren_blaney@...>
To: <hugi-compo@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 10:33 AM
Subject: [hugi-compo] Virus / next contest


> Howdy!

Hi all,

>
> I also detected the virus but it was confined to Leg-0's ENTRY.COM.
> Perhaps Leg-0 should get extra points for fooling McAfee. It's
> definitely a false alarm.  I was using VirusScan 4.0.3.

(4.0.3 for me too.)

>
> Ben and I

(Hi Boreal)

> have recently discovered another undocumented "feature" of
> McAfee.  VShield's Download Scan will not allow downloading zip files
> that contain zip files.  It filters them out without any warning or
> explanation.

Yes.  Was quite an ordeal for you wasn't it....

>
> I cast my vote for definitely NOT having any kind of virus writing
> contest. It's hard enough getting folks to run my programs without being
> thought of as a virus writer. Even a benign virus can cause plenty of
> problems. If nothing else, it's embarrassing to accidentally spread it.

I think a small virus program would be enjoyable, but regret too, that it
would not be a good idea, because of the nature of it.

>
> I like the idea of a gif viewer for the next contest but wonder if there
> would be any interest in code that takes advantage of the FPU, such as a
> Mandelbrot generator.
>

A fixed file GIF viewer would be pretty nice.  However, is there a copyright
problem with Compuserve?  An FPU compo would be interesting...

> Thanks,
> Boreal
>

Have a good weekend,

Ben
(Sniper)

Howdy!

I also detected the virus but it was confined to Leg-0's ENTRY.COM.
Perhaps Leg-0 should get extra points for fooling McAfee. It's
definitely a false alarm.  I was using VirusScan 4.0.3.

Ben and I have recently discovered another undocumented "feature" of
McAfee.  VShield's Download Scan will not allow downloading zip files
that contain zip files.  It filters them out without any warning or
explanation.

I cast my vote for definitely NOT having any kind of virus writing
contest. It's hard enough getting folks to run my programs without being
thought of as a virus writer. Even a benign virus can cause plenty of
problems. If nothing else, it's embarrassing to accidentally spread it.

I like the idea of a gif viewer for the next contest but wonder if there
would be any interest in code that takes advantage of the FPU, such as a
Mandelbrot generator.

Thanks,
Boreal

Hi

> well I thought about a topic for a new compo, and what about a really small
> gif-viewer. Let's say 320x200. I've already seen a size-optimized
> pcx-viewer, but gif would be quite interesting. (perhaps with a scroll
> function)...
  well, I don't like personality LZW (or is it some other LZ clone in GIF)
decompression, and the other aspect of it may be speed, but at all,
does not sound like bad idea... :) (just personal ranting ... ignore it)

> bye, cig82!

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Hi everybody...

well I thought about a topic for a new compo, and what about a really small
gif-viewer. Let's say 320x200. I've already seen a size-optimized
pcx-viewer, but gif would be quite interesting. (perhaps with a scroll
function)...

bye, cig82!

Hi vulture!

> >     This virus thing in hugi compo sounds very funny. Considering our
> > entries have 100-200 bytes I hardly believe is any of them infected. Maybe
> > one idea in a future compo it will be to do shortest virus possible
> (harmless,
> > of course, only multiplication) LOL.
>
> Actually, we've already had this competition on IRC once. :)
> Though I'm sure the virus specs could be changed, and the smallest one that
> we came up with could be made smaller too. We had a non-resident appending
> virus that infected all .COM files in the current directory with itself, at
> somewhere around 85-95 bytes, if you're interested at all. ;)

Err, let's "skip" this task idea, otherwise we might get problems with
the FBI... ;)

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

>     This virus thing in hugi compo sounds very funny. Considering our
> entries have 100-200 bytes I hardly believe is any of them infected. Maybe
> one idea in a future compo it will be to do shortest virus possible
(harmless,
> of course, only multiplication) LOL.

Actually, we've already had this competition on IRC once. :)
Though I'm sure the virus specs could be changed, and the smallest one that
we came up with could be made smaller too. We had a non-resident appending
virus that infected all .COM files in the current directory with itself, at
somewhere around 85-95 bytes, if you're interested at all. ;)

   - vulture a.k.a. Sean Stanek

Hi all,

      This virus thing in hugi compo sounds very funny. Considering our entries
have 100-200 bytes I hardly believe is any of them infected. Maybe one idea in a
future compo it will be to do shortest virus possible (harmless, of course, only
multiplication) LOL.

      Aphex

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Lunt [SMTP:fys@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 11:40 PM
To: hugi-compo@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [hugi-compo] Compo 11 final results (example ENTRY.COM)


----- Original Message -----
From: Adok/Hugi <hugi@...>
To: <hugi-compo@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [hugi-compo] Compo 11 final results (example ENTRY.COM)


> Hi Ben!
>
> > Just for your information, I updated my Virus Scanners .DAT files
> > last night due to this "lovebug" thing, and then scanned my system.
> >
> > McAfee Virus Checker found the ENTRY.COM (example entry) in both
> > the Beta Release and Final Release to have the GENERATOR.MPE virus.
> > (Scanned the Beta Release last night, then scanned again this morning
> > and "tagged" both files)
> >
> > But of course it probably just has some code that is close to the
> > signature of this virus.
> >
> > However, McAfee did not find this virus in the original release
> > of the ENTRY.COM file?????
> >
> > I was just wondering if anyone else found this too.
>
> Have you tried if the two entry.com files are identical (fc /b)? I'd be
> surprised if they weren't, but just to get sure that the mistake has to
> lie with the anti-virus program.
>

Hi Adok,
How have you been?

I just checked all three of the entry.com files that I have and each
have the same file contents.  i.e.: are identical.

I bet it is just the virus checker.

I unzipped all three files and placed them in a single directory and scanned
them.  McAfee did not find any viruses.  However, if the file is in a ZIP
file, it does find the virus.

I posted this info just for a thought.  I didn't really think anyone would
care.  :-)

Anyway, have a great evening/night,
Ben




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----- Original Message -----
From: Adok/Hugi <hugi@...>
To: <hugi-compo@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [hugi-compo] Compo 11 final results (example ENTRY.COM)


> Hi Ben!
>
> > Just for your information, I updated my Virus Scanners .DAT files
> > last night due to this "lovebug" thing, and then scanned my system.
> >
> > McAfee Virus Checker found the ENTRY.COM (example entry) in both
> > the Beta Release and Final Release to have the GENERATOR.MPE virus.
> > (Scanned the Beta Release last night, then scanned again this morning
> > and "tagged" both files)
> >
> > But of course it probably just has some code that is close to the
> > signature of this virus.
> >
> > However, McAfee did not find this virus in the original release
> > of the ENTRY.COM file?????
> >
> > I was just wondering if anyone else found this too.
>
> Have you tried if the two entry.com files are identical (fc /b)? I'd be
> surprised if they weren't, but just to get sure that the mistake has to
> lie with the anti-virus program.
>

Hi Adok,
How have you been?

I just checked all three of the entry.com files that I have and each
have the same file contents.  i.e.: are identical.

I bet it is just the virus checker.

I unzipped all three files and placed them in a single directory and scanned
them.  McAfee did not find any viruses.  However, if the file is in a ZIP
file, it does find the virus.

I posted this info just for a thought.  I didn't really think anyone would
care.  :-)

Anyway, have a great evening/night,
Ben

Hi Ben!

> Just for your information, I updated my Virus Scanners .DAT files
> last night due to this "lovebug" thing, and then scanned my system.
>
> McAfee Virus Checker found the ENTRY.COM (example entry) in both
> the Beta Release and Final Release to have the GENERATOR.MPE virus.
> (Scanned the Beta Release last night, then scanned again this morning
> and "tagged" both files)
>
> But of course it probably just has some code that is close to the
> signature of this virus.
>
> However, McAfee did not find this virus in the original release
> of the ENTRY.COM file?????
>
> I was just wondering if anyone else found this too.

Have you tried if the two entry.com files are identical (fc /b)? I'd be
surprised if they weren't, but just to get sure that the mistake has to
lie with the anti-virus program.

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

----- Original Message -----
From: Adok/Hugi <hugi@...>
To: <hugi-compo@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 10:01 AM
Subject: [hugi-compo] Compo 11 final results


> Hi guys,

Hi Adok,  Hello everyone, (hi claw).

Just for your information, I updated my Virus Scanners .DAT files
last night due to this "lovebug" thing, and then scanned my system.

McAfee Virus Checker found the ENTRY.COM (example entry) in both
the Beta Release and Final Release to have the GENERATOR.MPE virus.
(Scanned the Beta Release last night, then scanned again this morning
and "tagged" both files)

But of course it probably just has some code that is close to the
signature of this virus.

However, McAfee did not find this virus in the original release
of the ENTRY.COM file?????

I was just wondering if anyone else found this too.

<snip>

Thanks for the fun, and looking forward to spending more time
on HC12.

Ben
(Sniper)

Hi guys,

Thank you for all your replies. Phew, I'd wondered whether the
mailinglist was working, as usually lots of objections to the entries
are posted right after uploading them. It's good if this time all of
them are running fine.

I've just updated the world league table and am now uploading - so
you'll probably be able to check it out now at
http://www.hugi.de/compo/.

Any suggestions for task of the next competition can be posted to this
mailinglist!

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

sure there is everything fine :-) And I'm looking forward for the next
compo...
The only what makes me a bit angry is that some guys managed it to get the
file names as instructions into their code.. I tried too, but without
success ;-)

bye, Cig... and greetings too all competitors...

Hi there,

       If you ask me, everything is fine. I got the place I deserve - for now
;-). So what's more to ask for? I saw the sources for first 5, 6 entries in the
top. They got better ideas than me. So everything's OK. Haven't test'em all but
I trust your judgement.

-----Original Message-----
From: Adok/Hugi [SMTP:hugi@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 2:18 PM
To: hugi-compo@egroups.com
Subject: [hugi-compo] Everything fine?

Hi,

No e-mail concerning the entries to the Hugi Size Coding Competition 11
has reached me so far. Is everything okay?

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/


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> No e-mail concerning the entries to the Hugi Size Coding
> Competition 11
> has reached me so far. Is everything okay?

Everybody's ok so far. Hang on boys; it's all downhill from here.

Hi,

No e-mail concerning the entries to the Hugi Size Coding Competition 11
has reached me so far. Is everything okay?

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

Hi guys,

Get it at http://hugi.de/compo/. The public judgment peroid starts now
and lasts until May 07.

P.S.: Hugi 19 - the electronic magazine - was released two days ago. 1.3
mbytes of fresh articles! For more check out
http://hugi.schuelerzeitung.at/.

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

Claw sent me an updated test suite via Sniper, get it at
http://www.hugi.de/compo/.

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

> > Err... is it just me, or has this mailing list turned into just
> another
> > way to get my hands on some spam?
>
> Until now, everybody could post to this list. I've now
> changed the setup
> so that only members can post to this list. If a spammer subscribes to
> this list, he'll be set to read-only after his first spam.
>
> Very well.

Jeez... That was a great way to quote text. Way to go, outlook.

> Err... is it just me, or has this mailing list turned into just
another
> way to get my hands on some spam?

Until now, everybody could post to this list. I've now changed the setup
so that only members can post to this list. If a spammer subscribes to
this list, he'll be set to read-only after his first spam.

Very well.

Mikael Klasson wrote:
>
> prosperity@...
> livefree@...
>
> Err... is it just me, or has this mailing list turned into just another
> way to get my hands on some spam?

Until now, everybody could post to this list. I've now changed the setup
so that only members can post to this list. If a spammer subscribes to
this list, he'll be set to read-only after his first spam.

--
Adok / Hugi Core & Royal Family
http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

Mikael Klasson wrote:
>
> prosperity@...
> livefree@...
>
> Err... is it just me, or has this mailing list turned into just another
> way to get my hands on some spam?
>
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Err... is it just me, or has this mailing list turned into just another
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Srstanek@... wrote:
>
> Umm, doesn't this count as spam? Isn't there something... to protect against
spam under mailing lists? :(

Probably the spammer is/was subscribed to this mailinglist, otherwise
I'd have received the spam to approve or reject it.

--
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http://www.hugi.de/compo/
http://www.hugi.de/

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