In a message dated 24/01/2007 03:06:02 GMT Standard Time, rainy_day_woman_35@... writes:
Hi Coer
Sorry, I don't know anything about this either but am also keen to know more, as I have noticed a change in the intensity which seems to accompany a change in the weather. The hum started up with a vengeance for me once the winter finally kicked in, and fluctuates every time there's a weather change. So I'm just adding my voice to yours in asking for any further information about this.
Thanks!
Hi all,
I'm yet to be convinced that The Hum is linked to barometric pressure.
The first thing to do if suspecting this is to get a barometer, keep records
of when the Hum is hig, low, medium, etc., and with each entry, note the pressure.
You might like to write out on a big chart, days with space available for 24 hours
to be recorded .
I found when I was plotting the Hum's behaviour, the best way was colours, red for 'bad' and green for 'quiet', and lightly filled in red for most of the time, when the Hum was say 8 tenths of full strength.
If you write down numbers, it is more difficult to see if a trend is forming.
I used to get 2 sheets of A4 paper with lines already on, each line represented one day.
Across the top, I divided the space into 24 hours, starting I think at 1800, since nights were generally the times most needing to be looked at, therefore '0000'(midnight) to noon fell roughly in the middle of the two pages, which I fixed together with sellotape at the back.
If you just have handy, at all times, near the paper chart, green and red wax crayons
or coloured pencils, that way you can fill in a few hours at a time,
recalling what the Hum has been doing recently.
Then you can see at a glance how bad it's been.
It's this visual method that is most useful, I found.
If you left a line empty between the Hum level marks,
then the barometric pressure could be entered underneath the various shades above.
I hope this may be of some help.....
By the way, all folks in England,
(and even abroad, you may be able to get BBC Radio 4 , or 'Listen Again' on the BBC site. )(bbc.co.uk.)
There is a programme about the Hum, Saturday morning,1030, G.M.T., 03 Feb, 2007.
Please try to catch it, it might be interesting :
BBC Radio 4,
10:30
The Hunt for The Hum Bill Bailey explores the phenomena of low frequency noise, and goes in search of apparently mysterious 'hums' that have been heard from Tokyo to Toronto, and Beijing to Bristol.
( But if it's anything like previous efforts, it may leave the mystery largely unsolved.)
Have just heard 'The Hunt For The Hum' on U.K.'s Radio 4.
Glad you were able to hear it.
Most of the points made I was gratified to hear are already in the Helpline's Information Pack, most of which was compiled quite a few years ago, so I was pleased to hear them repeated.
One thing they failed to say, though, was about 'pulsing' or a 'beat' setting up in a person's perception : this could be a result of Constructive and Destructive Interference.
(But there again, it was onlyhalf an hour, and this subject has so many facets)
Two or more wavelengths can overlap each other, and like ripples on a pond, produce greater or less amplitude , depending on where the peaks and troughs coincide.
I was describing this effect from my own reasoning long before I'd ever heard of Constructive and Destructive Interference.
(Just showing off now ! But it is true.in the late 1980's, I imagined (say) two heavy diesel trains, a few miles away from eachother, with their areas of sound overlaping, I imagined where they overlapped, higher sound levels and annoyance might be experienced. this idea might account for the oft-reported rises and falls in amplitude for many people)
I was pleased to hear Andy Morehouse and Dr Tom Moir, both of whom I was in touch with before/during their research : both contacted me for background information. (Dr. M said he was new to the subject.). Andy Morehouse was kind enough to tell me not so very long ago that my idea of using Active Noise Control headphones as a test for external Hums hadn't occurred to him : as some of 'my' Hum hearers found, as I have, it is a useful quick, simple check, as long as the incoming noise is loud enough for the microphone in the headset to pick it up.
I was pleased to hear Hylton Dawson (a person who appeared in my experience very early on in my acquanitance with the Hum, saying that there are many different sources of LFN, and in effect as I keep saying to folks, any one person might be getting a combination of two or more noises, overlapping. his is just one part of what makes 'diagnosing' what is happening to any one person more tricky.
One has to be very careful not to leap to conclusions.
I rather disagree with the man who said his hum made his teeth chatter : a noise that loud /strong should be easily measurable. I suspect that his teeth chattering might have been a stress reaction, from tension in the jaw setting up a quivering, perhaps, a fatigue tremble after maybe hours of stress. Much like if you lean on one arm in a reclining position for a long time, a fatigue tremble can set up. So when people say The Hum vibrates their body, one has to say beware, get it measured, as a seismometer , even a basic one, would detect that level of vibration easily if it were present in sufficient strength to actually make the body shake like that .
Certain frequencies apparently resonate body cavities and organs, perhaps slightly differing frequencies for say lungs, from, say, liver, those organs perhaps having different densities.
But I have heard that 11 Hz is around the area that sets up resonance in the body, and this has been used as torture in Dubai. But again, if it is strong enough to make resonance, it should be easy to detect.
The poor man in the programme who had moved several times, only to find the Hum was each time as bad or worse, now hopes to move to a thatched cottage with thick stone walls.
The thick solid walls might absorb a lot of noise, and the thatch having many strands that could be expected to absorb much sound will muffle many sounds, but any air gap, and I would expect LFN to be able to creep through. He might also , later on, find to his dismay that masking other , higher frequency ambient noises like wind noise, as that construction will do, might make him even more aware of LFN, if present.
The doctor tended towards the view that stress causes people to react to noises more. I agree, but what if the LFN is actually a nuisance? It can't all be due to the individual's personal pre-existing stress levels. Although, another point I've made in the Info Pack), if stress is present, then emotional reaction can be stronger than it might otherwise be.
But I don't see why someone under LFN should be asked to train their brains to accept noise : this is like asking a torture victim to accept pain, 'learn to live with it' . In other words, the nuisance is at fault, not the person suffering it.
There is far too much LFN now in our acoustic environment, and this aspect should be taken far more seriously, instead of the general free-for-all, do-it-until-you-get-stopped approach that seems to prevail.
Another point the programme missed was that the general levels of LFN are increasing, so more and more people will start to be bothered by LFN, because of this aspect of it travelling furthest, plus perhaps several sources overlapping.
It is not adequate to suggest that people ought to just cope with rising noise levels, as LFN penetrates and disturbs the environment, causing huge stress in many people.
We all need to try to get sources of LFN muffled wherever possible, as the noise laws are too lax.
As the background levels creep ever higher, so new hums are less likely to breach the legal limits, as they 'hide' in among all the other noises.
It is a worrying aspect that some E.H.O.'s here in U.K. are already excusing LFN nuisances by saying that in urban areas, one must accept higher levels of noise, thus letting the culprit (and the E.H. dept.) neatly and conveniently off the hook.
Anyway, I was generally pleased with the programme : they packed a lot into half an hour.
Many thanks and appreciation to all interested parties,
and all those who have added to the store of knowledge about The Hum problem.
Official Space Weather Advisory issued by NOAA Space Environment Center
Boulder, Colorado, USA
SPACE WEATHER ADVISORY OUTLOOK #07- 6
2007 February 06 at 12:24 p.m. MST (2007 February 06 1924 UTC)
**** SPACE WEATHER OUTLOOK ****
Summary For January 29-February 4
Category G1 - minor (29 - 30 January), G2 - moderate (29 January), and
G3 - strong (29 January) were observed due to high speed solar winds from a
coronal hole on the Sun.
Outlook For February 7-13
Geomagnetic storms reaching the G1 - minor and G2 - moderate levels are
possible on 11 - 13 February.
For current space weather conditions please refer to:
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/SWN/http://www.sec.noaa.gov/alerts/
HI evrybody
I am Didier from France (countryside) near Paris (40 kms).
Its been one week now that I've been hearing that hum noise at nights.
In the beginnig I thought nightworks were going on in my vicinity (like
an engine running)
Its only at the third night that I realized that was in my head that I
heard this low frequecy noise,
It seems anxiety to hear that noise, makes it appear in my head now at
nights.
I've been reading a lot of stuff on the subject eversince.
The only clue I found is that telecomunications antenna (mobile phones
network)installed about 500 meter from my home, its been there for 4
years and I've never been affected by it (except maybe night head aches
from time to times).
Well any Frenchie around to testify experience ?
I've always assumed the "hum" was from telecom tower emissions,
because it is stronger and MUCH more aggravating when I am around
these towers. It is possible that this noise is ULF auditory and
caused by the vibration of the tower DUE to the radio signals. I
never really looked at it that way, but in light of how far ULF
sound can travel it sounds like a plausible explanation.
-Matt
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "no name" <rdnarud@...> wrote:
>
> HI evrybody
>
> I am Didier from France (countryside) near Paris (40 kms).
> Its been one week now that I've been hearing that hum noise at
nights.
> In the beginnig I thought nightworks were going on in my vicinity
(like
> an engine running)
> Its only at the third night that I realized that was in my head
that I
> heard this low frequecy noise,
> It seems anxiety to hear that noise, makes it appear in my head
now at
> nights.
> I've been reading a lot of stuff on the subject eversince.
> The only clue I found is that telecomunications antenna (mobile
phones
> network)installed about 500 meter from my home, its been there for
4
> years and I've never been affected by it (except maybe night head
aches
> from time to times).
>
> Well any Frenchie around to testify experience ?
>
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "mzweil" <mzweil@...> wrote:
> I've always assumed the "hum" was from telecom tower emissions.....
Unfortunatly the cause of the hum cannot be found so easily, as if
it were caused just by tower emissions or mobile phone masts, it
would be there most of the time, as phone use is there constantly.
The problem is the hum is very random, high/low, on or off for days
or just hours. Also the history of the hum dates back before this
technology was there.
It might not be manmade at all, and be part of the earths fields, or
caused by earthquakes, or may be worse now due to a combintion of
nastural and technological combined.
My own opinion is that we should be concentrating on why only some
of us hear the hum at all, and most get it suddenly when over fourty
years of age, ie, we are suddenly tuned in to the frequency of the
hum, which is an outside source.
I only get this in the right ear, so what is the biological
difference between ear? there must be some difference.
The calcite crystal theory, where crystals grow in the cavities of
the inner ear over time (fourty years possibly) and can resonate
with electro-magnetic waves, may be the cause.
I think diet may be helpful in reducing the effect of these crystals
to resonate with the hum, I have been on a reduced calcium diet,
less milk, cheese etc, for the last three months and have only had 2
medium hum days and 4 low hum days which bothered me during the
night, (No high hums like I used to get).
As the hum is so random over a time period, I cannot conclude this
is helping, but it looks good so far.
Sorry for rambling on for so long, cheers Colin Scotland.
In my opinion, age is not a factor when it comes to hearing the hum.
Young people hear the hum--we just don't have many accounts of it. Patty
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "mack_colin" <mack_colin@...> wrote:
>
> --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "mzweil" <mzweil@> wrote:
> > I've always assumed the "hum" was from telecom tower emissions.....
>
> Unfortunatly the cause of the hum cannot be found so easily, as if
> it were caused just by tower emissions or mobile phone masts, it
> would be there most of the time, as phone use is there constantly.
>
> The problem is the hum is very random, high/low, on or off for days
> or just hours. Also the history of the hum dates back before this
> technology was there.
>
> It might not be manmade at all, and be part of the earths fields, or
> caused by earthquakes, or may be worse now due to a combintion of
> nastural and technological combined.
>
> My own opinion is that we should be concentrating on why only some
> of us hear the hum at all, and most get it suddenly when over fourty
> years of age, ie, we are suddenly tuned in to the frequency of the
> hum, which is an outside source.
>
> I only get this in the right ear, so what is the biological
> difference between ear? there must be some difference.
>
> The calcite crystal theory, where crystals grow in the cavities of
> the inner ear over time (fourty years possibly) and can resonate
> with electro-magnetic waves, may be the cause.
>
> I think diet may be helpful in reducing the effect of these crystals
> to resonate with the hum, I have been on a reduced calcium diet,
> less milk, cheese etc, for the last three months and have only had 2
> medium hum days and 4 low hum days which bothered me during the
> night, (No high hums like I used to get).
>
> As the hum is so random over a time period, I cannot conclude this
> is helping, but it looks good so far.
>
> Sorry for rambling on for so long, cheers Colin Scotland.
>
My kids heard the hum when they came home for christmas. ages 21 and 23.
It just didn't bother them. But then they were here a short time.
Lynette
Patty wrote:
> In my opinion, age is not a factor when it comes to hearing the hum.
> Young people hear the hum--we just don't have many accounts of it. Patty
>
> --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "mack_colin" <mack_colin@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "mzweil" <mzweil@> wrote:
> > > I've always assumed the "hum" was from telecom tower emissions.....
> >
> > Unfortunatly the cause of the hum cannot be found so easily, as if
> > it were caused just by tower emissions or mobile phone masts, it
> > would be there most of the time, as phone use is there constantly.
> >
> > The problem is the hum is very random, high/low, on or off for days
> > or just hours. Also the history of the hum dates back before this
> > technology was there.
> >
> > It might not be manmade at all, and be part of the earths fields, or
> > caused by earthquakes, or may be worse now due to a combintion of
> > nastural and technological combined.
> >
> > My own opinion is that we should be concentrating on why only some
> > of us hear the hum at all, and most get it suddenly when over fourty
> > years of age, ie, we are suddenly tuned in to the frequency of the
> > hum, which is an outside source.
> >
> > I only get this in the right ear, so what is the biological
> > difference between ear? there must be some difference.
> >
> > The calcite crystal theory, where crystals grow in the cavities of
> > the inner ear over time (fourty years possibly) and can resonate
> > with electro-magnetic waves, may be the cause.
> >
> > I think diet may be helpful in reducing the effect of these crystals
> > to resonate with the hum, I have been on a reduced calcium diet,
> > less milk, cheese etc, for the last three months and have only had 2
> > medium hum days and 4 low hum days which bothered me during the
> > night, (No high hums like I used to get).
> >
> > As the hum is so random over a time period, I cannot conclude this
> > is helping, but it looks good so far.
> >
> > Sorry for rambling on for so long, cheers Colin Scotland.
> >
>
>
>
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Hi.
You say you only started hearing it recently? Can you think of
anything that changed significantly recently that you can share such
as anything added to or improved in your home, demolitions nearby, new
homes or facilities in the neighborhood, etc?
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "no name" <rdnarud@...> wrote:
>
> HI evrybody
>
> I am Didier from France (countryside) near Paris (40 kms).
> Its been one week now that I've been hearing that hum noise at nights.
{What is the profile of the transportation grid in your hum area?
Check all items that apply to your hum area.}
It is located in the polls area.
Thanks in advance to any and all participants!
Yes there's a new house close to mine maybe they've brought
electricity to it recently.
A new fact in addition to that: yesterday night I suddenly heard a new
high frequency noise added to the hum
It's been lasting eversince, very distressing, what's happening to me ?
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "threnos2" <threnos2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> You say you only started hearing it recently? Can you think of
> anything that changed significantly recently that you can share such
> as anything added to or improved in your home, demolitions nearby, new
> homes or facilities in the neighborhood, etc?
>
>
> --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "no name" <rdnarud@> wrote:
> >
> > HI evrybody
> >
> > I am Didier from France (countryside) near Paris (40 kms).
> > Its been one week now that I've been hearing that hum noise at
nights.
>
The "new" high frequency will not last - it is an intermittent
addition but will return on a regular basis. The high frequency that I
was hearing last night (along with the diesel) has abated - for now.
What's happening to you is that you and all of us are the victims of some
corporation that has not done its total evaluation of what its endeavor
causes to a segment of the population. (my opionion).
God Bless you.
Jerry - Florida Panhandle
At 03:03 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
Yes there's a new house close to
mine maybe they've brought
electricity to it recently.
A new fact in addition to that: yesterday night I suddenly heard a new
high frequency noise added to the hum
It's been lasting eversince, very distressing, what's happening to me
?
--- In
humforum@yahoogroups.com,
"threnos2" <threnos2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> You say you only started hearing it recently? Can you think of
> anything that changed significantly recently that you can share
such
> as anything added to or improved in your home, demolitions nearby,
new
> homes or facilities in the neighborhood, etc?
>
>
> --- In
humforum@yahoogroups.com,
"no name" <rdnarud@> wrote:
> >
> > HI evrybody
> >
> > I am Didier from France (countryside) near Paris (40 kms).
> > Its been one week now that I've been hearing that hum noise at
nights.
>
_________________________________________________________________________________________
"Have you forgotten?" - Darryl Worley
Here we go again--
What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or the willingness
and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in times of
trouble. Patty
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT Standard Time, ned@...
> writes:
>
> I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly helpless.
>
>
> Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo Effect.
> R.
>
I'll take placebo effect anytime - whatever works!! Yes, I do pray about
this - I've even tried to work it into meditation sort of like the ohm
(double entendre) - come on placebo...
Jerry
At 11:14 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
Here we go again--
What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or the willingness
and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in times of
trouble. Patty
--- In
humforum@yahoogroups.com,
Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT Standard Time, ned@...
> writes:
>
> I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly helpless.
>
>
> Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo Effect.
> R.
>
_________________________________________________________________________________________
"Have you forgotten?" - Darryl Worley
In a message dated 09/02/2007 17:23:41 GMT Standard Time, sugarpineinc@... writes:
Here we go again-- What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or the willingness and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in times of trouble. Patty
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Tobypaws2002@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT Standard Time, ned@... > writes: > > I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly helpless. > > > Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo Effect. > R. >
I'm sorry if anyone feels that an attempt to comment in a scientific way amounts to "rudeness", but I hope that the moderator will agree, it is important to have a balanced, rational approach, and try to point out where people are mistaken.
The Placebo Effect has been well documented, it IS a real effect, and is probably why so many people believe that prayer has a beneficial effect.
It will only do that if the person being prayed for knows about it,
which the person in hospital in the case quoted did, did he not?
I would like to bet that prayers, when the recipient / target did not KNOW they were being prayed for, would have no significant effect more than normal recovery or prognosis.
It is called Auto Suggestion, or similar, that does the trick when people know someone is praying for them.
It is the power of the brain to respond to hope, and good wishes.
You know how much better you feel when you are 'low', and someone says "You'll be all right, this will pass"..We had a family doctor who just by coming to see you n=made you feel better.
I remember being ill with German measles, our doctor came, and he didn't DO anything, just gave reassurance that it would pass, and it was just his kind presence and personality that made me feel so much better.
I recall the incident vividly, I was amazed that I could feel better in a few minutes, when nothing had been given to me in the form of medicines, just kindness and caring.
That was one early experience of many that set me thinking about the power of the brain to have actual effects within the body.
Good wishes produce endorphins, which make the body function better,
and give the person a better chance of recovery.
Please note the careful study of patients in a hospital : some had visits from clowns, and others did not. The ones who were made to laugh recovered significantly faster than those who were left to their own devices.
Endorphins .
Plus the feeling that someone cared enough to try to help them,
someone made an effort and gave their time....it's all just science.
No mystery.
Please try to understand my efforts to keep discussion rational,
as the Moderator requested.
Reasonable discussion is not 'rudeness'.
I would refer those who object to scientific reasoning
“All matter exists by virtue
of a force. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and
intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter”. —
Physicist Max Planck, 1944
There is much about our universe that we
have yet to learn. Science is an ongoing process.
I’d like to propose that we humans
are not just discrete entities who exist solely unto ourselves, but that we are
part of a “whole” and are interconnected by this force Max Planck
was speaking of. Everything we think, everything we do, has
consequences. I choose to believe this “force” emanates from
God, by whatever name you call Him, but if you choose to think of it as
just a mindless, soulless energy, that’s your right.
I’ve read about studies that show
prayer does help even though the person being prayed for was not aware of the
prayers. I’m sorry I can’t cite them for you, as the
magazines the articles were in are long gone. Personal experience has
also played a role in convincing me that prayer does work.
There’s no way I can prove this, of
course, but maybe the hum we hear is just the cumulative energy produced by the
billions of people on this planet. Maybe it’s just the beginning of
an “evolutionary” step toward telepathy. That’s pretty
far out there, I know, but I think it’s worth considering.
Carole
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In a message dated 09/02/2007 17:23:41
GMT Standard Time, sugarpineinc@yahoo.com writes:
Here we go again--
What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or the willingness
and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in times of
trouble. Patty
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com,
Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT Standard Time, ned@...
> writes:
>
> I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly helpless.
>
>
> Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo Effect.
> R.
>
I'm sorry if anyone feels that an attempt
to comment in a scientific way amounts to "rudeness", but I hope that
the moderator will agree, it is important to have a balanced, rational
approach, and try to point out where people are mistaken.
The Placebo Effect has been well
documented, it IS a real effect, and is probably why so many people believe
that prayer has a beneficial effect.
It will only do that if the person
being prayed for knows about it,
which the person in hospital in the
case quoted did, did he not?
I would like to bet that prayers, when
the recipient / target did not KNOW they were being prayed for, would
have no significant effect more than normal recovery or prognosis.
It is called Auto Suggestion, or similar,
that does the trick when people know someone is praying for them.
It is the power of the brain to respond
to hope, and good wishes.
You know how much better you feel when you
are 'low', and someone says "You'll be all right, this will pass"..We
had a family doctor who just by coming to see you n=made you feel better.
I remember being ill with German measles,
our doctor came, and he didn't DO anything, just gave reassurance that it would
pass, and it was just his kind presence and personality that made me feel so
much better.
I recall the incident vividly, I was
amazed that I could feel better in a few minutes, when nothing had been
given to me in the form of medicines, just kindness and caring.
That was one early experience of many
that set me thinking about the power of the brain to have actual effects within
the body.
Good wishes produce endorphins, which
make the body function better,
and give the person a better chance
of recovery.
Please note the careful study of patients
in a hospital : some had visits from clowns, and others did not. The
ones who were made to laugh recovered significantly faster than those who were
left to their own devices.
Endorphins .
Plus the feeling that someone cared
enough to try to help them,
someone made an effort and gave their
time....it's all just science.
No mystery.
Please try to understand my efforts to
keep discussion rational,
as the Moderator requested.
Reasonable discussion is not 'rudeness'.
I would refer those who object to
scientific reasoning
I'm really glad that this topic finally has been
brought up. I had the notion several weeks ago that
prayer could be very powerful here, considering the
fact that there is already a massive collective
consciousness connected to the this phenomenon through
just this online forum alone. For those sceptical of
the power of consciously directed intention I ask what
amount of proof would make you believe? There have
been many scientific experiments that prove beyond a
shadow of a doubt that all things in existence are
inextricably interconnected and that thought and
feeling are perhaps the most fundamental building
blocks of our material universe. When someone reports
a positive manifestation catalysed by prayer, whether
the positive outcome is what we call "placebo" is not
the point. You could call it "bananas" or "cartwheel"
and it would still have produced the desired and
INTENDED result. Resistance to anything associated
with GOD may perhaps be stemming from a simple
aversion to religion or the unwillingness to subscribe
to a given doctrine, but CONSCIOUSNESS cannot be
denied and the two are not actually two. I propose
that every member of this forum focuses their
intention on the entire community of hummers
collectively being relieved of the hum at once and
keep this focus as we all begin to experince our
results. There have been buhddist meditations that
have reduced crime rates. There have been day old
cross word puzzles solved twice as fast by test groups
working on the puzzle the day after thousands of other
people had already solved them. Our thoughts are
energy floating around with us in cosmic ether an they
are manifesting our inner and outer collective
experience. The simple fact that we are all
experiencing some unexplainable collective phenomenon
should give rise to the simple realization that this
is in fact true. As above so below. What is without
is also within. We have given ourselves the internet
to have the power to inform and combine our intention.
So far our combined intention has been seeking a means
to relieve our suffering, so we have continued to
seek. Lets shift our intention just slightly into the
next fractal of ENDING our seeking/suffering. NOW!
--- Carole Carriker <CcSelene7@...> wrote:
> "All matter exists by virtue of a force. We must
> assume behind this force
> the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind.
> This mind is the matrix
> of all matter". - Physicist Max Planck, 1944
>
> There is much about our universe that we have yet to
> learn. Science is an
> ongoing process.
>
>
>
> I'd like to propose that we humans are not just
> discrete entities who exist
> solely unto ourselves, but that we are part of a
> "whole" and are
> interconnected by this force Max Planck was speaking
> of. Everything we
> think, everything we do, has consequences. I choose
> to believe this "force"
> emanates from God, by whatever name you call Him,
> but if you choose to
> think of it as just a mindless, soulless energy,
> that's your right.
>
>
>
> I've read about studies that show prayer does help
> even though the person
> being prayed for was not aware of the prayers. I'm
> sorry I can't cite them
> for you, as the magazines the articles were in are
> long gone. Personal
> experience has also played a role in convincing me
> that prayer does work.
>
>
>
> There's no way I can prove this, of course, but
> maybe the hum we hear is
> just the cumulative energy produced by the billions
> of people on this
> planet. Maybe it's just the beginning of an
> "evolutionary" step toward
> telepathy. That's pretty far out there, I know, but
> I think it's worth
> considering.
>
>
>
> Carole
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humforum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Tobypaws2002@...
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: "DON"T GIVE UP MINNIE"
>
>
>
> In a message dated 09/02/2007 17:23:41 GMT Standard
> Time,
> sugarpineinc@... writes:
>
> Here we go again--
> What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or
> the willingness
> and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in
> times of
> trouble. Patty
>
> --- In humforum@yahoogroup
> <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
> Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT
> Standard Time, ned@...
> > writes:
> >
> > I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly
> helpless.
> >
> >
> > Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo
> Effect.
> > R.
> >
>
> I'm sorry if anyone feels that an attempt to comment
> in a scientific way
> amounts to "rudeness", but I hope that the moderator
> will agree, it is
> important to have a balanced, rational approach, and
> try to point out where
> people are mistaken.
>
> The Placebo Effect has been well documented, it IS a
> real effect, and is
> probably why so many people believe that prayer has
> a beneficial effect.
>
> It will only do that if the person being prayed for
> knows about it,
>
> which the person in hospital in the case quoted
> did, did he not?
>
> I would like to bet that prayers, when the recipient
> / target did not KNOW
> they were being prayed for, would have no
> significant effect more than
> normal recovery or prognosis.
>
> It is called Auto Suggestion, or similar, that does
> the trick when people
> know someone is praying for them.
>
> It is the power of the brain to respond to hope, and
> good wishes.
>
> You know how much better you feel when you are
> 'low', and someone says
> "You'll be all right, this will pass"..We had a
> family doctor who just by
> coming to see you n=made you feel better.
>
> I remember being ill with German measles, our doctor
> came, and he didn't DO
> anything, just gave reassurance that it would pass,
> and it was just his kind
> presence and personality that made me feel so much
> better.
>
> I recall the incident vividly, I was amazed that I
> could feel better in a
> few minutes, when nothing had been given to me in
> the form of medicines,
> just kindness and caring.
>
> That was one early experience of many that set me
> thinking about the power
> of the brain to have actual effects within the body.
>
> Good wishes produce endorphins, which make the body
> function better,
>
> and give the person a better chance of recovery.
>
> Please note the careful study of patients in a
> hospital : some had visits
> from clowns, and others did not. The ones who were
> made to laugh recovered
> significantly faster than those who were left to
> their own devices.
>
> Endorphins .
>
> Plus the feeling that someone cared enough to try to
> help them,
>
> someone made an effort and gave their time....it's
> all just science.
>
> No mystery.
>
> Please try to understand my efforts to keep
> discussion rational,
>
> as the Moderator requested.
>
> Reasonable discussion is not 'rudeness'.
>
> I would refer those who object to scientific
> reasoning
>
> to refer to the Moderator for advice.
>
> Thank you.
>
> R.M.
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________\
____
Have a burning question?
Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
Thank
you, Travis. This is right along the lines of a book I just started
reading, called “The Divine Matrix” by Gregg Braden. I highly
recommend it. For those of you who are atheists, please don’t let
the word “divine” scare you off. This book is very much about
cutting-edge science, recent experiments and discoveries in quantum
physics. Fascinating stuff. The book is brand new, just published
by Hay House.
Carole
-----Original Message----- From: humforum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of travis murphy Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007
4:35 PM To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: HUM_FORUM:
"DON"T GIVE UP MINNIE"
I'm
really glad that this topic finally has been
brought up. I had the notion several weeks ago that
prayer could be very powerful here, considering the
fact that there is already a massive collective
consciousness connected to the this phenomenon through
just this online forum alone. For those sceptical of
the power of consciously directed intention I ask what
amount of proof would make you believe? There have
been many scientific experiments that prove beyond a
shadow of a doubt that all things in existence are
inextricably interconnected and that thought and
feeling are perhaps the most fundamental building
blocks of our material universe. When someone reports
a positive manifestation catalysed by prayer, whether
the positive outcome is what we call "placebo" is not
the point. You could call it "bananas" or "cartwheel"
and it would still have produced the desired and
INTENDED result. Resistance to anything associated
with GOD may perhaps be stemming from a simple
aversion to religion or the unwillingness to subscribe
to a given doctrine, but CONSCIOUSNESS cannot be
denied and the two are not actually two. I propose
that every member of this forum focuses their
intention on the entire community of hummers
collectively being relieved of the hum at once and
keep this focus as we all begin to experince our
results. There have been buhddist meditations that
have reduced crime rates. There have been day old
cross word puzzles solved twice as fast by test groups
working on the puzzle the day after thousands of other
people had already solved them. Our thoughts are
energy floating around with us in cosmic ether an they
are manifesting our inner and outer collective
experience. The simple fact that we are all
experiencing some unexplainable collective phenomenon
should give rise to the simple realization that this
is in fact true. As above so below. What is without
is also within. We have given ourselves the internet
to have the power to inform and combine our intention.
So far our combined intention has been seeking a means
to relieve our suffering, so we have continued to
seek. Lets shift our intention just slightly into the
next fractal of ENDING our seeking/suffering. NOW!
--- Carole Carriker <CcSelene7@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> "All matter exists by virtue of a force. We must
> assume behind this force
> the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind.
> This mind is the matrix
> of all matter". - Physicist Max Planck, 1944
>
> There is much about our universe that we have yet to
> learn. Science is an
> ongoing process.
>
>
>
> I'd like to propose that we humans are not just
> discrete entities who exist
> solely unto ourselves, but that we are part of a
> "whole" and are
> interconnected by this force Max Planck was speaking
> of. Everything we
> think, everything we do, has consequences. I choose
> to believe this "force"
> emanates from God, by whatever name you call Him,
> but if you choose to
> think of it as just a mindless, soulless energy,
> that's your right.
>
>
>
> I've read about studies that show prayer does help
> even though the person
> being prayed for was not aware of the prayers. I'm
> sorry I can't cite them
> for you, as the magazines the articles were in are
> long gone. Personal
> experience has also played a role in convincing me
> that prayer does work.
>
>
>
> There's no way I can prove this, of course, but
> maybe the hum we hear is
> just the cumulative energy produced by the billions
> of people on this
> planet. Maybe it's just the beginning of an
> "evolutionary" step toward
> telepathy. That's pretty far out there, I know, but
> I think it's worth
> considering.
>
>
>
> Carole
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humforum@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf
> Of Tobypaws2002@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: humforum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: "DON"T GIVE UP MINNIE"
>
>
>
> In a message dated 09/02/2007 17:23:41 GMT Standard
> Time,
> sugarpineinc@yahoo.com
writes:
>
> Here we go again--
> What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or
> the willingness
> and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in
> times of
> trouble. Patty
>
> --- In humforum@yahoogroup
> <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com> s.com,
> Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT
> Standard Time, ned@...
> > writes:
> >
> > I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly
> helpless.
> >
> >
> > Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo
> Effect.
> > R.
> >
>
> I'm sorry if anyone feels that an attempt to comment
> in a scientific way
> amounts to "rudeness", but I hope that the moderator
> will agree, it is
> important to have a balanced, rational approach, and
> try to point out where
> people are mistaken.
>
> The Placebo Effect has been well documented, it IS a
> real effect, and is
> probably why so many people believe that prayer has
> a beneficial effect.
>
> It will only do that if the person being prayed for
> knows about it,
>
> which the person in hospital in the case quoted
> did, did he not?
>
> I would like to bet that prayers, when the recipient
> / target did not KNOW
> they were being prayed for, would have no
> significant effect more than
> normal recovery or prognosis.
>
> It is called Auto Suggestion, or similar, that does
> the trick when people
> know someone is praying for them.
>
> It is the power of the brain to respond to hope, and
> good wishes.
>
> You know how much better you feel when you are
> 'low', and someone says
> "You'll be all right, this will pass"..We had a
> family doctor who just by
> coming to see you n=made you feel better.
>
> I remember being ill with German measles, our doctor
> came, and he didn't DO
> anything, just gave reassurance that it would pass,
> and it was just his kind
> presence and personality that made me feel so much
> better.
>
> I recall the incident vividly, I was amazed that I
> could feel better in a
> few minutes, when nothing had been given to me in
> the form of medicines,
> just kindness and caring.
>
> That was one early experience of many that set me
> thinking about the power
> of the brain to have actual effects within the body.
>
> Good wishes produce endorphins, which make the body
> function better,
>
> and give the person a better chance of recovery.
>
> Please note the careful study of patients in a
> hospital : some had visits
> from clowns, and others did not. The ones who were
> made to laugh recovered
> significantly faster than those who were left to
> their own devices.
>
> Endorphins .
>
> Plus the feeling that someone cared enough to try to
> help them,
>
> someone made an effort and gave their time....it's
> all just science.
>
> No mystery.
>
> Please try to understand my efforts to keep
> discussion rational,
>
> as the Moderator requested.
>
> Reasonable discussion is not 'rudeness'.
>
> I would refer those who object to scientific
> reasoning
>
> to refer to the Moderator for advice.
>
> Thank you.
>
> R.M.
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________________
Have a burning question?
Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
It always easy to attribute something that is not understood to something that cannot be proven, and then suggest that following this route is a matter of belief. This seems to produce an answer but it is really ovoiding the fact that we don't yet have an answer.
I think that jury should remain out on the Hum until there is real evidence.
mart
In a message dated 09/02/2007 19:40:10 GMT Standard Time, CcSelene7@... writes:
“All matter exists by virtue of a force. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter”. — Physicist Max Planck, 1944
There is much about our universe that we have yet to learn. Science is an ongoing process.
I’d like to propose that we humans are not just discrete entities who exist solely unto ourselves, but that we are part of a “whole” and are interconnected by this force Max Planck was speaking of. Everything we think, everything we do, has consequences. I choose to believe this “force” emanates from God, by whatever name you call Him, but if you choose to think of it as just a mindless, soulless energy, that’s your right.
I’ve read about studies that show prayer does help even though the person being prayed for was not aware of the prayers. I’m sorry I can’t cite them for you, as the magazines the articles were in are long gone. Personal experience has also played a role in convincing me that prayer does work.
There’s no way I can prove this, of course, but maybe the hum we hear is just the cumulative energy produced by the billions of people on this planet. Maybe it’s just the beginning of an “evolutionary” step toward telepathy. That’s pretty far out there, I know, but I think it’s worth considering.
Carole
-----Original Message----- From: humforum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tobypaws2002@aol.com Sent:Friday, February 09, 200710:40 AM To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: "DON"T GIVE UP MINNIE"
In a message dated 09/02/2007 17:23:41 GMT Standard Time, sugarpineinc@yahoo.com writes:
Here we go again-- What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or the willingness and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in times of trouble. Patty
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, Tobypaws2002@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT Standard Time, ned@... > writes: > > I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly helpless. > > > Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo Effect. > R. >
I'm sorry if anyone feels that an attempt to comment in a scientific way amounts to "rudeness", but I hope that the moderator will agree, it is important to have a balanced, rational approach, and try to point out where people are mistaken.
The Placebo Effect has been well documented, it IS a real effect, and is probably why so many people believe that prayer has a beneficial effect.
It will only do that if the person being prayed for knows about it,
which the person in hospital in the case quoted did, did he not?
I would like to bet that prayers, when the recipient / target did not KNOW they were being prayed for, would have no significant effect more than normal recovery or prognosis.
It is called Auto Suggestion, or similar, that does the trick when people know someone is praying for them.
It is the power of the brain to respond to hope, and good wishes.
You know how much better you feel when you are 'low', and someone says "You'll be all right, this will pass"..We had a family doctor who just by coming to see you n=made you feel better.
I remember being ill with German measles, our doctor came, and he didn't DO anything, just gave reassurance that it would pass, and it was just his kind presence and personality that made me feel so much better.
I recall the incident vividly, I was amazed that I could feel better in a few minutes, when nothing had been given to me in the form of medicines, just kindness and caring.
That was one early experience of many that set me thinking about the power of the brain to have actual effects within the body.
Good wishes produce endorphins, which make the body function better,
and give the person a better chance of recovery.
Please note the careful study of patients in a hospital : some had visits from clowns, and others did not. The ones who were made to laugh recovered significantly faster than those who were left to their own devices.
Endorphins .
Plus the feeling that someone cared enough to try to help them,
someone made an effort and gave their time....it's all just science.
No mystery.
Please try to understand my efforts to keep discussion rational,
as the Moderator requested.
Reasonable discussion is not 'rudeness'.
I would refer those who object to scientific reasoning
Just read the comment about the reported high frequency 'component' of the hum.
There is a tendancy for a high frequency to be heard if a person is 'immersed' in a low level low frequency field. This is not to be mistaken as true tinitus. I heard this years ago and still do today under certain hum conditions. My brother was convinced it was a real tone but I believed it was 'induced'. When I researched LF noise I came across a paper by Gordon Flottorp. He called them 'idiotomes' if my memory serves me. I think this related to some LF research he did for the US Navy many years ago. If anyone is interested I'll look out the paper reference. Apologies to Gordon if memory has mispelt his name.
mart
In a message dated 09/02/2007 15:14:48 GMT Standard Time, futures8@... writes:
The "new" high frequency will not last - it is an intermittent addition but will return on a regular basis. The high frequency that I was hearing last night (along with the diesel) has abated - for now. What's happening to you is that you and all of us are the victims of some corporation that has not done its total evaluation of what its endeavor causes to a segment of the population. (my opionion). God Bless you. Jerry - Florida Panhandle
At 03:03 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
Yes there's a new house close to mine maybe they've brought electricity to it recently. A new fact in addition to that: yesterday night I suddenly heard a new high frequency noise added to the hum It's been lasting eversince, very distressing, what's happening to me ?
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "threnos2" <threnos2@...> wrote: > > Hi. > You say you only started hearing it recently? Can you think of > anything that changed significantly recently that you can share such > as anything added to or improved in your home, demolitions nearby, new > homes or facilities in the neighborhood, etc? > > > --- In humforum@yahoogroups.com, "no name" <rdnarud@> wrote: > > > > HI evrybody > > > > I am Didier from France (countryside) near Paris (40 kms). > > Its been one week now that I've been hearing that hum noise at nights. >
I just did a "google" for "idiotomes" and there
wasn't a single hit. I was awaken during the night (2:48 to be exact -
digital clock) by the "hum" - and it was very penetrating -
enough to give me a severe headache. So, if there is research but no
solution - I say, what's the use? I do not need to hear what someone has
"researched" since I live and breath the effects - I also doubt
that finding the source will be a solution either. If I sound crabby -
sorry, I'm tired - was also awaken last night by this "cannot be
ignored" hum!
Jerry - Florida Panhandle
At 06:05 AM 2/10/2007, you wrote:
Dear
all
Just read the comment about the
reported high frequency 'component' of the hum.
There is a tendancy for a high
frequency to be heard if a person is 'immersed' in a low level low
frequency field. This is not to be mistaken as true tinitus. I heard this
years ago and still do today under certain hum conditions. My
brother was convinced it was a real tone but I believed it was 'induced'.
When I researched LF noise I came across a paper by Gordon
Flottorp. He called them 'idiotomes' if my memory serves me. I
think this related to some LF research he did for the US Navy many years
ago. If anyone is interested I'll look out the paper reference. Apologies
to Gordon if memory has mispelt his name.
mart
In a message dated 09/02/2007 15:14:48 GMT Standard Time,
futures8@... writes:
The "new" high frequency will not last - it is an
intermittent addition but will return on a regular basis. The high
frequency that I was hearing last night (along with the diesel) has
abated - for now. What's happening to you is that you and all of us are
the victims of some corporation that has not done its total evaluation of
what its endeavor causes to a segment of the population. (my
opionion).
God Bless you.
Jerry - Florida Panhandle
At 03:03 AM 2/9/2007, you wrote:
Yes there's a new house close to mine maybe they've brought
electricity to it recently.
A new fact in addition to that: yesterday night I suddenly heard a
new
high frequency noise added to the hum
It's been lasting eversince, very distressing, what's happening to me
?
I am a scientist and a pragamatist. I have also experienced many losses in my life (as have most people my age), and I recognize that there is more to life than objective reality. Science works because it has built in self-correction mechanism (recall the "scientific method") and the ability and necessity to estimate the degree of uncertainty of its findings, but, in my opinion, subjective influences are just as significant in one's whole life makeup, and in formulation of one's "weltanschaung" (world view).
When my first wife died 36 years ago, leaving me with two small children and a lot of grief, I heard her speak my name 12 hours after she died and 45 miles away from where her body was waiting to be autopsied. The reassurance of just hearing her one time permitted me to make it through the night. I don't know what sort of self protective mechanism was invoked in me or if this was a direct gift of God to help me, but it worked, and I will always be grateful. I have no less fascination with science and ability to use science for practical results, but I understand that the vistas of life are broader and more comprehensive than the viewpoint of science alone, because science must be self limiting, in order to maintain accuracy in those areas in which objectivity is possible.
Science does not offer a guide to those areas of one's life in which one can not devise a means of testing that assures objectivity. In a few weeks I will be 70 yrs old, and I still believe firmly that there is more to life than what one can achieve by applying only the criteria of objective science. Creativity is an example. To me, music is as important as my scientific endeavors. Since I am a product of western culture, that music which pleases my sense of the aesthetic follows the rules of western harmony, yet other harmonic systems which employ harmonies that I don't appreciate or understand as well as the harmony of western composers permit composers from other genres and other ethnic origins to express their own creativity. Incidentally, if you don't think that science expresses creativity in some of its quasi-subjective evaluations, look at the mathematics behind quantum mechanics. It is a universe of manipulations of mathematical logic, both deductive and inductive, but only a restricted set of its conclusions have been conclusively applied to description of objective physical reality. Several of my papers have employed quantum mechanical mathematical manipulations, and I get the same feeling of creative fulfillment as the few times when I have been able to write a musical composition or make my own arrangement of an existing piece of music.
Regards, Bill
----------------------------------------------------
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|(630 858-9377 Fax (630) 858-9159 |
| Physics is fun! | |__________________________________________________|
on 2/9/07 12:40 PM, Tobypaws2002@... at Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
In a message dated 09/02/2007 17:23:41 GMT Standard Time, sugarpineinc@... writes:
Here we go again--
What stands out more? The atheism, the rudeness, or the willingness
and ability to inflame? Hope Placebo Effect helps in times of
trouble. Patty
--- In humforum@yahoogroups.com <mailto:humforum%40yahoogroups.com> , Tobypaws2002@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 17/01/2007 14:49:52 GMT Standard Time, ned@...
> writes:
>
> I observed the power of prayer when I was utterly helpless.
>
>
> Sorry but the effects were most probably Placebo Effect.
> R.
>
I'm sorry if anyone feels that an attempt to comment in a scientific way amounts to "rudeness", but I hope that the moderator will agree, it is important to have a balanced, rational approach, and try to point out where people are mistaken.
The Placebo Effect has been well documented, it IS a real effect, and is probably why so many people believe that prayer has a beneficial effect.
It will only do that if the person being prayed for knows about it,
which the person in hospital in the case quoted did, did he not?
I would like to bet that prayers, when the recipient / target did not KNOW they were being prayed for, would have no significant effect more than normal recovery or prognosis.
It is called Auto Suggestion, or similar, that does the trick when people know someone is praying for them.
It is the power of the brain to respond to hope, and good wishes.
You know how much better you feel when you are 'low', and someone says "You'll be all right, this will pass"..We had a family doctor who just by coming to see you n=made you feel better.
I remember being ill with German measles, our doctor came, and he didn't DO anything, just gave reassurance that it would pass, and it was just his kind presence and personality that made me feel so much better.
I recall the incident vividly, I was amazed that I could feel better in a few minutes, when nothing had been given to me in the form of medicines, just kindness and caring.
That was one early experience of many that set me thinking about the power of the brain to have actual effects within the body.
Good wishes produce endorphins, which make the body function better,
and give the person a better chance of recovery.
Please note the careful study of patients in a hospital : some had visits from clowns, and others did not. The ones who were made to laugh recovered significantly faster than those who were left to their own devices.
Endorphins .
Plus the feeling that someone cared enough to try to help them,
someone made an effort and gave their time....it's all just science.
No mystery.
Please try to understand my efforts to keep discussion rational,
as the Moderator requested.
Reasonable discussion is not 'rudeness'.
I would refer those who object to scientific reasoning
to refer to the Moderator for advice.
Thank you.
R.M.
I just did a "google" for "idiotomes" and there wasn't a single hit. I was awaken during the night (2:48 to be exact - digital clock) by the "hum" - and it was very penetrating - enough to give me a severe headache. So, if there is research but no solution - I say, what's the use? I do not need to hear what someone has "researched" since I live and breath the effects - I also doubt that finding the source will be a solution either. If I sound crabby - sorry, I'm tired - was also awaken last night by this "cannot be ignored" hum! Jerry - Florida Panhandle
At 06:05 AM 2/10/2007, you wrote:
Dear all
Just read the comment about the reported high frequency 'component' of the hum.
There is a tendancy for a high frequency to be heard if a person is 'immersed' in a low level low frequency field. This is not to be mistaken as true tinitus. I heard this years ago and still do today under certain hum conditions. My brother was convinced it was a real tone but I believed it was 'induced'. When I researched LF noise I came across a paper by Gordon Flottorp. He called them 'idiotomes' if my memory serves me. I think this related to some LF research he did for the US Navy many years ago. If anyone is interested I'll look out the paper reference. Apologies to Gordon if memory has mispelt his name.
“Can we possibly take a look
at natural, physical
causes for symptoms that might otherwise appear to be
"supernatural"?”
Well, that’s what we’ve been doing for several
years now, and have gotten nowhere. Last time I looked, there were well
over 8000 messages posted; numerous natural, physical causes have been
discussed extensively, and we still don’t know what’s causing the
hum. Isn’t it reasonable to want to expand the search a little and
include other possible causes? I say “possible” because I don’t
know either, but we can never know if we don’t even look. Things
that we consider “supernatural” may be perfectly natural, but still
in the realm of the undiscovered.
Carole
-----Original Message----- From: humforum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Matthew ZWEIL Sent:Friday,
February 09, 20077:04 PM To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: HUM_FORUM:
"DON"T GIVE UP MINNIE"
Okay,
that was totally uncalled-for. Why is it that
with every moderately unexplained phenomenon people
have to jump up and blame "God" for it?
You said: "what amount of proof would make you
believe?"
The necessary amount of proof required for me to
believe that somehow the HUM is inexorably linked to
some superconscious godness = 1.
You said: "There have been many scientific
experiments that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that
all things in existence are inextricably
interconnected and that thought and feeling are
perhaps the most fundamental building blocks of our
material universe."
I want one - well documented, with sound
methodology that defines a test for this ludacris
claim and then proves it through scientific
observation and/or experimentation. DO YOU HAVE ANY
IDEA how this claim sounds from a "scientific"
perspective?
Look at what you wrote: "prove beyond a shadow
of a doubt. . . that PERHAPS", well let's go ahead an
set the bar at 50-50 and see if we can prove that
there's a 50-50 chance that PERHAPS Godzilla is going
to show up to do my laundry and make dinner tonight.
I bet I can prove THAT beyond a "shadow of a doubt" as
well.
You wrote: "The simple fact that we are all
experiencing some unexplainable collective phenomenon
should give rise to the simple realization that this
is in fact true."
Paraphrase: "Because we do not know the cause, the
cause must be something we do not know?" Well, I'll
buy that!
Can we possibly take a look at natural, physical
causes for symptoms that might otherwise appear to be
"supernatural"?
Judy, I’m
in Madera (Central California), and have noticed lately that the hum seems worse late at night.
Are you anywhere close to me? It might be interesting to get together and
compare notes. Email me privately at ccselene7@...
if you want.
Carole
-----Original Message----- From: humforum@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:humforum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Judy Fluhrer Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007
11:31 AM To: humforum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: HUM_FORUM: Re: new
hummer in Didier
Just for correlation, I was on the phone at 11:30 p.m.
last night and commented to my friend (who
hears it too) how awful the hum was...intensity probably
about 7-8/10. However, the vibrations and very
low frequency rumbles so often associated with intense
episodes of hum were not present. I believe
there are three hours time difference between us (I'm in
California) which would separate your
observation and mine by only 18 minutes. Has anyone else
noticed that the hum seems to be a good
deal worse in the last several months than it has been for
years?
I just did a "google"
for "idiotomes" and there wasn't a single hit. I was awaken during
the night (2:48 to be exact - digital clock) by the "hum" - and it
was very penetrating - enough to give me a severe headache. So, if there is
research but no solution - I say, what's the use? I do not need to hear what
someone has "researched" since I live and breath the effects - I
also doubt that finding the source will be a solution either. If I sound
crabby - sorry, I'm tired - was also awaken last night by this "cannot
be ignored" hum!
Jerry - Florida Panhandle
At 06:05 AM 2/10/2007, you wrote:
Dear all Just read the comment about
the reported high frequency 'component' of the hum.
There is a tendancy for a
high frequency to be heard if a person is 'immersed' in a low level low
frequency field. This is not to be mistaken as true tinitus. I heard this
years ago and still do today under certain hum conditions. My brother
was convinced it was a real tone but I believed it was 'induced'. When I
researched LF noise I came across a paper by Gordon Flottorp. He called
them 'idiotomes' if my memory serves me. I think this related to some
LF research he did for the US Navy many years ago. If anyone is interested
I'll look out the paper reference. Apologies to Gordon if memory has mispelt
his name.
I just found this group today and have read some past messages.
I have heard a "hum" since 3/1/2001. There is a factory nearby that
had complaints of pollution from their mfg. process. They installed a
system that started up that day. I tried contacting city officials and
the plant mgr. for a resolution to no avail. (I asked the plant
manager to insulate the outside pipe causing the hum.) I have run into
a brick wall with any effort I made. Someone from the city did pay me
a visit. On they day she was at my house the noise was almost
nonexistent. It made me wonder if she has contacted the company and
told them she was going to check it out therefore warning them. I was
still aware of a slight noise because I was familiar with the quite
that was normal before. I tried to get her to ride with me to the
plant to hear the noise, but that didn't happen. The woman did call
days later to say that a tower had been installed on a hillside about
ten miles away from where I lived and that a fence had been put up to
keep everyone away. Perhaps something mysterious was happening as a
result (military use?). (Any excuse to get me off their backs, I
guess).
I brought up the problem at a civic league meeting. No one else seems
to experience a problem and I got strange stares/crazy looks. I have
even asked some neighbors, but no one else hears it. The vibration is
unbearable.
I noticed a few of you live near military bases. Does anyone else live
near a landfill? I live within a couple of miles from one (they no
longer accept trash), and they have a methane gas recovery system.
About two years ago they had a problem with a valve which created a
vibration problem that extended a couple of miles. My windows rattled
slightly. Another person in the neighborhood said her doors rattled.
Plus, there were several other reports of similar incidents closer to
the landfill.
Thinking back, I did hear hums earlier (about the time the plant moved
into their facility). I could not pinpoint the source, thought it was
bad sound from the TV. During the night I would hear a sound that I
thought was a car door closing, every 20 min.
I would like to move but worry about whether any prospective buyer
would hear the hum. I have been to relatives houses where I have not
heard the hum so I hope I could escape the hum.
I have seen that others have move and have not gotten away from the
hum. It does not seem to be isolated to one general locale, but occurs
in California, Florida, Canada, etc.
Sorry to ramble. Buy the way, I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio.
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