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You can also check out the *ancient* way using the WideCharToMultiByte
function but you will first need to convert your string from UTF-8 to UCS-2
which should only take a few lines of code. Investigate Michka suggestion
first as it is probably the best.

Cheers,
T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:michka@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 10:30 AM
To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [i18n-prog]


Like I said, see the MultiLanguage object. Specifically
IMultiLanguage2::ConvertString. See the following URL (all on one line):


http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/misc/mlang/reference/IFaces/IMultiLanguag
e2/ConvertString.asp


michka

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http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: [i18n-prog]


>
> Would you happen to know of any C, C++ Windows API that will accomplish
> this?
>
> -- Daniel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Bidwell [mailto:cbidwell@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:03 AM
> To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [i18n-prog]
>
>
> You can do this in Java (on NT) in just a couple of lines of code.
> I think the MS IIS Web server does this in a single line of code.
>
> -Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Khoe [mailto:daniel.khoe@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
> To: 'i18n-prog@egroups.com'
> Subject: [i18n-prog]
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
> string to a Shift JIS string in one step?
>
> -- Daniel
>
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Like I said, see the MultiLanguage object. Specifically
IMultiLanguage2::ConvertString. See the following URL (all on one line):


http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/misc/mlang/reference/IFaces/IMultiLanguag
e2/ConvertString.asp


michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
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To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:23 AM
Subject: RE: [i18n-prog]


>
> Would you happen to know of any C, C++ Windows API that will accomplish
> this?
>
> -- Daniel
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Bidwell [mailto:cbidwell@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:03 AM
> To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [i18n-prog]
>
>
> You can do this in Java (on NT) in just a couple of lines of code.
> I think the MS IIS Web server does this in a single line of code.
>
> -Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Khoe [mailto:daniel.khoe@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
> To: 'i18n-prog@egroups.com'
> Subject: [i18n-prog]
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
> string to a Shift JIS string in one step?
>
> -- Daniel
>
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Would you happen to know of any C, C++ Windows API that will accomplish
this?

-- Daniel


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bidwell [mailto:cbidwell@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:03 AM
To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [i18n-prog]


You can do this in Java (on NT) in just a couple of lines of code.
I think the MS IIS Web server does this in a single line of code.

-Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Khoe [mailto:daniel.khoe@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
To: 'i18n-prog@egroups.com'
Subject: [i18n-prog]



Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
string to a Shift JIS string in one step?

-- Daniel


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Perhaps use native2ascii ( http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/1.1/docs/tooldocs/win32/native2ascii.html ) with the -reverse argument.

- henry

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Bidwell [mailto:cbidwell@...]
Sent: Mittwoch, 29. November 2000 10.03
To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [i18n-prog]

You can do this in Java (on NT) in just a couple of lines of code.
I think the MS IIS Web server does this in a single line of code.

-Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Khoe [mailto:daniel.khoe@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
To: 'i18n-prog@egroups.com'
Subject: [i18n-prog]

Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
string to a Shift JIS string in one step?

-- Daniel

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Actually, IIS would not do this.... it only knows hot convert to or from
Unicode w(which it must do since its scripting languages store their strings
as Unicode in memory but it cannot handle Unicode storage on disk).

However, IIS can use a component that could do this in a couple of lines.
:-)

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Bidwell" <cbidwell@...>
To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: [i18n-prog]


> You can do this in Java (on NT) in just a couple of lines of code.
> I think the MS IIS Web server does this in a single line of code.
>
> -Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Khoe [mailto:daniel.khoe@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
> To: 'i18n-prog@egroups.com'
> Subject: [i18n-prog]
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
> string to a Shift JIS string in one step?
>
> -- Daniel
>
>
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You can do this in Java (on NT) in just a couple of lines of code.
I think the MS IIS Web server does this in a single line of code.

-Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Khoe [mailto:daniel.khoe@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
To: 'i18n-prog@egroups.com'
Subject: [i18n-prog]



Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
string to a Shift JIS string in one step?

-- Daniel


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Take a look at MLang, the Multilanguage object. It does support this type of
conversion.

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
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To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:27 PM
Subject: [i18n-prog]


>
> Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
> string to a Shift JIS string in one step?
>
> -- Daniel
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

Does anyone know if WindowsNT has a function that will convert a UTF-8
string to a Shift JIS string in one step?

-- Daniel

If you are on a Russian version of Windows, you can obtain them all via the
GetLocaleInfo API.

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Zabolotnyi" <victorz@...>
To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:44 AM
Subject: RE: [i18n-prog] Digest Number 7: Russian L10n of Countries and
Currencies


> I am localizing country and currency names for an export control
> application. Can anyone point me to a soft list of those in Russian?
Thank
> you in advance.
>
> Victor Z.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: i18n-prog@egroups.com [mailto:i18n-prog@egroups.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 6:08 PM
> To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> There are 3 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
>       1. Re:  localizing kernel-level code
>            From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
>       2. Re: localizing kernel-level code
>            From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
>       3. Win32 utilities for encoding conversion & language detection
>            From: "Ed Batutis" <ebatutis@...>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
>    Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:31:43 -0800
>    From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
> Subject: Re:  localizing kernel-level code
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code]
> Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:02:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Kimm Yeo <Kimm.Yeo@...>
> Reply-To: Kimm Yeo <Kimm.Yeo@...>
> To: daniel.khoe@..., Andrea.Vine@...
> CC: i18n-prog@egroups.com
>
> Hi,
>
> We have just last week, hosted a Solaris globalization live chat
> and a similar question and answer can be found here:
>
> http://soldc.sun.com/developer/chat/transcripts/2000/sl1106.html
>
> Should you have further I18n related queries, you may also
> contact us at www.sun.com/globalization.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kimm Yeo
> ****************************************
> Kimm C. Yeo
> Sr Product Manager
> GPE Internationalization Engineering
> www.sun.com/globalization
> ****************************************
>
>
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >Subject: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code
> >Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:13:50 -0800
> >From: Daniel Khoe <daniel.khoe@...>
> >Reply-To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
> >To: "'i18n-prog@egroups.com'" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris
> 2.7.  This
> >application has several kernel-level modules.  My question
> is... should I
> >localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it
> standard to
> >localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?
> Any comments
> >or
> >suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >-- Daniel
> >
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
>    Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:57:45 -0800
>    From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
> Subject: Re: localizing kernel-level code
>
>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code]
> > Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:12:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
> > From: Ienup Sung <ienup.sung@...>
> > To: i18n-prog@egroups.com, daniel.khoe@...
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > At the moment, we don't recommend people to do localization on kernel
> modules
> > for various reasons and furthemore, there is no proper
> internationalization
> > APIs in the kernel unfortunately.
> >
> > Also I would like to point out that unless you are dealing with an
> absolutely
> > 100% homogeneous environment in terms of codeset and locale, translating
> > kernel module output/messages could lead to a situation that mixture of
> > characters from different codesets/code pages reside in a system log
file
> that
> > will make the log file un-recoverable/un-viewable with conventional,
> existing
> > utilities and applications. (As you know system log can come from other
> hosts
> > that could have kernel module messages in different codeset/codepage.
This
> > scenario also applies to user space applications that send messages to
> > syslogd.)
> >
> > With regards,
> >
> > Ienup
>
> > ] -------- Original Message --------
> > ] Subject: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code
> > ] Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:13:50 -0800
> > ] From: Daniel Khoe <daniel.khoe@...>
> > ] Reply-To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
> > ] To: "'i18n-prog@egroups.com'" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
> > ]
> > ] Hi All,
> > ]
> > ] I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris 2.7.
This
> > ] application has several kernel-level modules.  My question is...
should
> I
> > ] localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it standard to
> > ] localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?  Any
> comments
> > ] or
> > ] suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> > ]
> > ] -- Daniel
> > ]
> > ]
> > ] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > ] i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
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>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
>    Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:37:00 -0000
>    From: "Ed Batutis" <ebatutis@...>
> Subject: Win32 utilities for encoding conversion & language detection
>
> Hi all,
>
> If you have IE5 installed on Windows you can use two i18n-related
> utilities I've created:
>
> mlangcvt converts a file from one character encoding to another.
>
> mlangdet detects the language and encoding of a file or URL.
>
> These utilities rely on the MLANG.DLL which is installed with IE5.0
> or above.
>
> A whitepaper describing MLANG is also available.
>
> See:
>
> http://www.batutis.com/i18n/papers/mlang/samples
>
> Regards,
>
> =Ed
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
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I am localizing country and currency names for an export control
application. Can anyone point me to a soft list of those in Russian?  Thank
you in advance.

Victor Z.

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Topics in this digest:

       1. Re:  localizing kernel-level code
            From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
       2. Re: localizing kernel-level code
            From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
       3. Win32 utilities for encoding conversion & language detection
            From: "Ed Batutis" <ebatutis@...>


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 1
    Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:31:43 -0800
    From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
Subject: Re:  localizing kernel-level code



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:02:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Kimm Yeo <Kimm.Yeo@...>
Reply-To: Kimm Yeo <Kimm.Yeo@...>
To: daniel.khoe@..., Andrea.Vine@...
CC: i18n-prog@egroups.com

Hi,

We have just last week, hosted a Solaris globalization live chat
and a similar question and answer can be found here:

http://soldc.sun.com/developer/chat/transcripts/2000/sl1106.html

Should you have further I18n related queries, you may also
contact us at www.sun.com/globalization.

Thanks,

Kimm Yeo
****************************************
Kimm C. Yeo
Sr Product Manager
GPE Internationalization Engineering
www.sun.com/globalization
****************************************


>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code
>Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:13:50 -0800
>From: Daniel Khoe <daniel.khoe@...>
>Reply-To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
>To: "'i18n-prog@egroups.com'" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris
2.7.  This
>application has several kernel-level modules.  My question
is... should I
>localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it
standard to
>localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?
Any comments
>or
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
>-- Daniel
>


________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 2
    Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:57:45 -0800
    From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
Subject: Re: localizing kernel-level code


>
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code]
> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:12:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
> From: Ienup Sung <ienup.sung@...>
> To: i18n-prog@egroups.com, daniel.khoe@...
>
> Hello,
>
> At the moment, we don't recommend people to do localization on kernel
modules
> for various reasons and furthemore, there is no proper
internationalization
> APIs in the kernel unfortunately.
>
> Also I would like to point out that unless you are dealing with an
absolutely
> 100% homogeneous environment in terms of codeset and locale, translating
> kernel module output/messages could lead to a situation that mixture of
> characters from different codesets/code pages reside in a system log file
that
> will make the log file un-recoverable/un-viewable with conventional,
existing
> utilities and applications. (As you know system log can come from other
hosts
> that could have kernel module messages in different codeset/codepage. This
> scenario also applies to user space applications that send messages to
> syslogd.)
>
> With regards,
>
> Ienup

> ] -------- Original Message --------
> ] Subject: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code
> ] Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:13:50 -0800
> ] From: Daniel Khoe <daniel.khoe@...>
> ] Reply-To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
> ] To: "'i18n-prog@egroups.com'" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
> ]
> ] Hi All,
> ]
> ] I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris 2.7.  This
> ] application has several kernel-level modules.  My question is... should
I
> ] localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it standard to
> ] localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?  Any
comments
> ] or
> ] suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> ]
> ] -- Daniel
> ]
> ]
> ] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ] i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com


[This message contained attachments]



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 3
    Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:37:00 -0000
    From: "Ed Batutis" <ebatutis@...>
Subject: Win32 utilities for encoding conversion & language detection

Hi all,

If you have IE5 installed on Windows you can use two i18n-related
utilities I've created:

mlangcvt converts a file from one character encoding to another.

mlangdet detects the language and encoding of a file or URL.

These utilities rely on the MLANG.DLL which is installed with IE5.0
or above.

A whitepaper describing MLANG is also available.

See:

http://www.batutis.com/i18n/papers/mlang/samples

Regards,

=Ed




________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Hi all,

If you have IE5 installed on Windows you can use two i18n-related
utilities I've created:

mlangcvt converts a file from one character encoding to another.

mlangdet detects the language and encoding of a file or URL.

These utilities rely on the MLANG.DLL which is installed with IE5.0
or above.

A whitepaper describing MLANG is also available.

See:

http://www.batutis.com/i18n/papers/mlang/samples

Regards,

=Ed

>
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code]
> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:12:55 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
> From: Ienup Sung <ienup.sung@...>
> To: i18n-prog@egroups.com, daniel.khoe@...
>
> Hello,
>
> At the moment, we don't recommend people to do localization on kernel modules
> for various reasons and furthemore, there is no proper internationalization
> APIs in the kernel unfortunately.
>
> Also I would like to point out that unless you are dealing with an absolutely
> 100% homogeneous environment in terms of codeset and locale, translating
> kernel module output/messages could lead to a situation that mixture of
> characters from different codesets/code pages reside in a system log file that
> will make the log file un-recoverable/un-viewable with conventional, existing
> utilities and applications. (As you know system log can come from other hosts
> that could have kernel module messages in different codeset/codepage. This
> scenario also applies to user space applications that send messages to
> syslogd.)
>
> With regards,
>
> Ienup

> ] -------- Original Message --------
> ] Subject: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code
> ] Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:13:50 -0800
> ] From: Daniel Khoe <daniel.khoe@...>
> ] Reply-To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
> ] To: "'i18n-prog@egroups.com'" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
> ]
> ] Hi All,
> ]
> ] I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris 2.7.  This
> ] application has several kernel-level modules.  My question is... should I
> ] localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it standard to
> ] localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?  Any comments
> ] or
> ] suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> ]
> ] -- Daniel
> ]
> ]
> ] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> ] i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com

Hello,

At the moment, we don't recommend people to do localization on kernel modules
for various reasons and furthemore, there is no proper internationalization
APIs in the kernel unfortunately.

Also I would like to point out that unless you are dealing with an absolutely
100% homogeneous environment in terms of codeset and locale, translating
kernel module output/messages could lead to a situation that mixture of
characters from different codesets/code pages reside in a system log file that
will make the log file un-recoverable/un-viewable with conventional, existing
utilities and applications. (As you know system log can come from other hosts
that could have kernel module messages in different codeset/codepage. This
scenario also applies to user space applications that send messages to
syslogd.)

With regards,

Ienup


] Did anyone see this question from the public list?  Can anyone help to
] answer it?
]
] Please send your response to Daniel and the i18n-prog list.
]
] Thanks,
] Andrea
]
] -------- Original Message --------
] Subject: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code
] Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:13:50 -0800
] From: Daniel Khoe <daniel.khoe@...>
] Reply-To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
] To: "'i18n-prog@egroups.com'" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
]
] Hi All,
]
] I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris 2.7.  This
] application has several kernel-level modules.  My question is... should I
] localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it standard to
] localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?  Any comments
] or
] suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
]
] -- Daniel
]
]
] To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
] i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:02:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Kimm Yeo <Kimm.Yeo@...>
Reply-To: Kimm Yeo <Kimm.Yeo@...>
To: daniel.khoe@..., Andrea.Vine@...
CC: i18n-prog@egroups.com

Hi,

We have just last week, hosted a Solaris globalization live chat
and a similar question and answer can be found here:

http://soldc.sun.com/developer/chat/transcripts/2000/sl1106.html

Should you have further I18n related queries, you may also
contact us at www.sun.com/globalization.

Thanks,

Kimm Yeo
****************************************
Kimm C. Yeo
Sr Product Manager
GPE Internationalization Engineering
www.sun.com/globalization
****************************************


>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: [i18n-prog] localizing kernel-level code
>Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:13:50 -0800
>From: Daniel Khoe <daniel.khoe@...>
>Reply-To: i18n-prog@egroups.com
>To: "'i18n-prog@egroups.com'" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
>
>Hi All,
>
>I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris
2.7.  This
>application has several kernel-level modules.  My question
is... should I
>localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it
standard to
>localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?
Any comments
>or
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
>-- Daniel
>

Hi All,

I'm trying to develop a multi-lingual application on Solaris 2.7.  This
application has several kernel-level modules.  My question is... should I
localize the output of these kernel-level modules?  Is it standard to
localize kernel-level Unix applications in the field today?  Any comments or
suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

-- Daniel

All,

I have to i18n a search index ( 'A' 'B' 'C' 'D' ....'X' 'Y' 'Z'). I have
some information for the japanese index but I need to find an i18n solution:
	 - Index characters
	 - SQL queries
	 - ...

Thanks a lot,

Nicolas

Help and the question mark are *not* universal, but it is as close as one
can get, really.

In most languages, it is indeed a symbol indicating a question, though there
are some cases where it is not so great (in Greek they would use a
semicolon, in some Arabic locales the question mark would be reversed, and
in Armenian it is not used for questions, either). But its the most widely
recognized symbol, and the few contenders (like a letter "i") are very
distant seconds.

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Vine" <avine@...>
To: "I18n Prog List" <i18n-prog@egroups.com>; "WWW Int'l list"
<www-international@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 7:15 PM
Subject: [i18n-prog] Is the ? a universal symbol for help info?


> All,
>
> A human-interface engineer asks:
>
>   I was wondering if you could tell me if the "?" used for help is a
>   globally known symbol?
>
> The usage is a clickable graphic ? which brings up a help window.
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
> Thanks for any info,
> Andrea
> --
> Andrea Vine, avine@..., iPlanet i18n architect
> "A bibliophile is a lover of books; a bibliomane, a wildly enthusiastic
> collector. An abandoned fanatic, once he succumbs to bibliolatry,
> graduates into a bibliomaniac. While a bibliomaniac's spouse might easily
> become a bibliophobe, his arch nemesis would be a biblioclast: a
> destroyer
> of books." -- Bill Strubbe, A Bibliophile in Britain
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

All,

A human-interface engineer asks:

   I was wondering if you could tell me if the "?" used for help is a
   globally known symbol?

The usage is a clickable graphic ? which brings up a help window.

Does anyone have experience with this?

Thanks for any info,
Andrea
--
Andrea Vine, avine@..., iPlanet i18n architect
"A bibliophile is a lover of books; a bibliomane, a wildly enthusiastic
collector. An abandoned fanatic, once he succumbs to bibliolatry,
graduates into a bibliomaniac. While a bibliomaniac's spouse might easily
become a bibliophobe, his arch nemesis would be a biblioclast: a
destroyer
of books." -- Bill Strubbe, A Bibliophile in Britain

Well, even though the intrinsic controls will not support Unicode, there are
many options outside of the intrinsics that you can use to display text from
Unicode to owner draw.

Note that if you only need to support the user's language and it matches
their system default code page, then you have all the support you need with
the intrinsics.

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajac" <abdul.rajac@...>
To: "'Michael (michka) Kaplan'" <michka@...>
Cc: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [i18n-prog] Internationalisation of a VB product


> Hi Michka,
>
> Thanks for your immediate response.
>
> We have already ordered for your book through online and waiting for it's
> arrival.
> If Visual Basic will not support Unicode for display then how can I
display
> all the fields in the database (for eg. Name,Age,Address...etc) into the
> userinterface of my application according to the user required language.
>
> All your suggestions help me a much in buildinng my aplication in a proper
> way.
>
> Thank You.
>
> Rajac.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:michka@...]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:12 PM
> To: i18n-prog@egroups.com; Rajac
> Subject: Re: [i18n-prog] Internationalisation of a VB product
>
>
> By default, Visual Basic will not support Unicode for display, which
mostly
> makes multilingual display impossible with the intrinsic controls. I
discuss
> this ad nauseum in the book I wrote (link below), with several types of
> workarounds. I also do include info on formatting of number, date/time,
and
> currency values based on multilingual requirements (I assume thats what
you
> mean when you say formats?).
>
> michka
>
> a new book on internationalization in VB at
> http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rajac" <abdul.rajac@...>
> To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 1:45 PM
> Subject: [i18n-prog] Internationalisation of a VB product
>
>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am working in Internationalisation of a VB product.I am replacing all
> the
> > Hard Coded strings (message,lable caption,text property...etc) in my
> > application by means of Resource Files.
> > But I don't know how to display the datas from the database in
mltilingial
> > formats according to the user requirements.
> > My datbase is Oracle 8.1.5.
> >
> >             Every suggestions and help from the members are valuable to
> me.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Rajac.
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

Hi Michka,

	 Thanks for your immediate response.

	 We have already ordered for your book through online and waiting for it's
arrival.
	 If Visual Basic will not support Unicode for display then how can I display
all the fields in the database (for eg.  Name,Age,Address...etc) into the
userinterface of my application according to the user required language.

	 All your suggestions help me a much in buildinng my aplication in a proper
way.

Thank You.

Rajac.


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael (michka) Kaplan [mailto:michka@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:12 PM
To: i18n-prog@egroups.com; Rajac
Subject: Re: [i18n-prog] Internationalisation of a VB product


By default, Visual Basic will not support Unicode for display, which mostly
makes multilingual display impossible with the intrinsic controls. I discuss
this ad nauseum in the book I wrote (link below), with several types of
workarounds. I also do include info on formatting of number, date/time, and
currency values based on multilingual requirements (I assume thats what you
mean when you say formats?).

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajac" <abdul.rajac@...>
To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 1:45 PM
Subject: [i18n-prog] Internationalisation of a VB product


>
> Hi All,
>
> I am working in Internationalisation of a VB product.I am replacing all
the
> Hard Coded strings (message,lable caption,text property...etc) in my
> application by means of Resource Files.
> But I don't know how to display the datas from the database in mltilingial
> formats according to the user requirements.
> My datbase is Oracle 8.1.5.
>
>             Every suggestions and help from the members are valuable to
me.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rajac.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

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Actually, VB does not support UTF-16: it is not surrogate aware, so at best
it supports UCS-2. However, since its forms package, its API declares, its
file i/o, and just about every technique that VB uses to talk to others
besides COM do *not* support Unicode, it is probably not accurate to
consider all problems solved by VB automatically.

In particuler, VB does not support multilingual data without a lot of help
(especially multilingual formats, since it is very rooted in the current
control panel settings).

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohit Sethi" <mohits@...>
To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [i18n-prog] Internationalising a Vb product


> hi !
> Vb internally supports internationalization as in it converts all the
> strings before using them in to UTF16 format or encoding scheme. To know
> more  about UTF and UCS go to www.unicode.org  , you will find enough
stuff
> about internationalization and also if it involves backend (ORACLE) , then
> ORACLE documentation comes in very handy.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rajac <abdul.rajac@...>
> To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:33 PM
> Subject: [i18n-prog] Internationalising a Vb product
>
>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am working on Internationalising a Vb product.I have just started
> working
> > on that.
> >   I want to know  what are all the factors I need to take into account
for
> > Internationalisation of a product.
> > Any help.........from anybody......................
> >
> > Rajac.
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

By default, Visual Basic will not support Unicode for display, which mostly
makes multilingual display impossible with the intrinsic controls. I discuss
this ad nauseum in the book I wrote (link below), with several types of
workarounds. I also do include info on formatting of number, date/time, and
currency values based on multilingual requirements (I assume thats what you
mean when you say formats?).

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajac" <abdul.rajac@...>
To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 1:45 PM
Subject: [i18n-prog] Internationalisation of a VB product


>
> Hi All,
>
> I am working in Internationalisation of a VB product.I am replacing all
the
> Hard Coded strings (message,lable caption,text property...etc) in my
> application by means of Resource Files.
> But I don't know how to display the datas from the database in mltilingial
> formats according to the user requirements.
> My datbase is Oracle 8.1.5.
>
>             Every suggestions and help from the members are valuable to
me.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Rajac.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>
>
>

hi !
Vb internally supports internationalization as in it converts all the
strings before using them in to UTF16 format or encoding scheme. To know
more  about UTF and UCS go to www.unicode.org  , you will find enough stuff
about internationalization and also if it involves backend (ORACLE) , then
ORACLE documentation comes in very handy.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rajac <abdul.rajac@...>
To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2000 10:33 PM
Subject: [i18n-prog] Internationalising a Vb product


>
> Hi All,
>
> I am working on Internationalising a Vb product.I have just started
working
> on that.
>   I want to know  what are all the factors I need to take into account for
> Internationalisation of a product.
> Any help.........from anybody......................
>
> Rajac.
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> i18n-prog-unsubscribe@egroups.com
>
>

Hi All,

	 I am working on Internationalising a Vb product.I have just started working
on that.
 	 I want to know  what are all the factors I need to take into account for
Internationalisation of a product.
	 Any help.........from anybody......................

Rajac.

Hi All,

	 I am working in Internationalisation of a VB product.I am replacing all the
Hard Coded strings (message,lable caption,text property...etc) in my
application by means of Resource Files.
But I don't know how to display the datas from the database in mltilingial
formats according to the user requirements.
	 My datbase is Oracle 8.1.5.

             Every suggestions and help from the members are valuable to me.

Thank you.

Rajac.

The difference is really only that UTF-16 supports the encoding of
surrogates (you can get info on the surrogate range from the Unicode site,
at http://www.unicode.org/ and the FAQs that are there).

Otherwise, they are identical.

michka

a new book on internationalization in VB at
http://www.i18nWithVB.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohit Sethi" <mohits@...>
To: <i18n-prog@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 1:43 AM
Subject: [i18n-prog] utf16 Vs. ucs2


hi all !
can anybody make the difference between ucs2 and utf16 explicit .
thank you.

Glad to see that most of you have made it over to eGroups.

Let the internationalization commence. :-)

I've made Suzanne Topping a moderator of the group, so if you have
any
technical problems with the list, she can help.
She can be reached at:
stopping@...

Thanks Suzanne.

The list will be archived at eGroups, and you can access list
features
and the archive at:
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You can also choose to read the list online rather than through
e-mail
if you wish.

-Kelly