I'm currently using ISO639_ISO3166 for language code designation.  For Spanish I
currently employ es_ES for Castilian Spanish but in the near future require two
language codes, for Castilian and non Castilian Spanish predominantly for Latin
America.  I know there may be no true "International Spanish", but we are
attempting to have just two Spanish variants as a superset for all we need to
support.  Absolute linguistic precision is not a required objective here, but a
minimal set of language variants to serve all Spanish locales.  ISO639_ISO3166
with the locale being the largest Spanish speaking non-Castilian country may be
an idea, but targeting a specific locale in the language code via the ISO3166
designation is not particular desirable either.

Anything in BCP 47 that is of use for `International' or other subtag?  I don't
see this currently.

I cannot agree with u more Andrea.

To me i18n and security are indeed 2 orthogonal aspects of an application.

Regards,
Sourav

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I thought this might be of interest to the members of this forum.

http://www.l10n-forum.org

Sponsored by a localization vendor, but seems 'vendor neutral'.  Lots of topic
areas and discussion forums for localization in general.  Topics like
language/culture issues, software L10N, DITA, project management.

There is also a jobs posting board though there are not many jobs posted at
present.

Hi all,

Sorry for cross-posting, but I thought a few people might be interested in
this:

We are hosting a localisation un-conference in Dublin.
What's an un-conference? Basically, a localisation conference which
you get to shape according to your interests. The programme is created
collaboratively by the
participants, as we go along, and the final agenda will be set on the
day - somehow.

Have a look here for more information and how to get involved:
http://localizationunconference.com/

Who's behind this? See here:
http://localizationunconference.com/blog/?page_id=6

This is your chance to talk about the localisation stuff that really
matters to you, instead of suffering death-by-powerpoint. Some of the
things we could talk about:

social networking site translation, mashup internationalization,
vendors, hiring, quality, open source tools,
Unicode, pseudo-translation, mobile technology, global privacy or
legal issues, Klingon language specialists, ...

You name it.

To register your interest, have a look here (doesn't mean that you
have to come - it's free anyway):

http://www.localizationunconference.com/register.html

Cheers,

Martin

Thanks for your previous help BTW!

How pervasive is simplified Chinese literacy (outside the PRC) and is
there significant crossover of intelligibility between Simplified and
Traditional Chinese for software translation?

For example if a target audience (average demographic cross section)
for Traditional Chinese had to use a Simplified Chinese software
product, what percentage of them would have a decent level of
usability of the product?

Conversely, if a target audience for Simplified Chinese had to use a
Traditional Chinese software product, what percentage of them would
have a decent level of usability of the product?

Regards, Ian

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--- In i18n-prog@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Davies" <ianbingofish@...> wrote:
>
> We are developing a Windows XP/Vista product for Simplified
> &Traditional Chinese and Japanese.  Due to the fact that there are
> common code points, is there one Unicode font that can be employed
for
> Simplified &Traditional Chinese and Japanese software?  If not, font
> recommendations for each please?
>

Hi Ian,
For Simplified Chinese, we use "SimSun" font.
As I know, for Traditional Chinese, they use "MingLiu" font.
It seems that Japanese use "MinCho" font which I am not sure.

Ian Davies wrote:
> We are developing a Windows XP/Vista product for Simplified
> &Traditional Chinese and Japanese.  Due to the fact that there are
> common code points, is there one Unicode font that can be employed for
> Simplified &Traditional Chinese and Japanese software

Ian,
There is no such thing as a Unicode font that works for both Chinese
and Japanese.  Although they share the same Unicode code points,
shapes of the characters that Chinese and Japanese users are
accustomed to are different.  A trivial example may be
Ideographic Fullstop U+3002.  This is a dot.  In Chinese,
the dot is drawn in the center of hypothetical square area.
In Japanese, it is drawn in the bottom left corner (or top left
corner if rendering text vertically).

Does this make sense?
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KUROSAKA ("Kuro") Teruhiko, San Francisco, California, USA

We are developing a Windows XP/Vista product for Simplified
&Traditional Chinese and Japanese.  Due to the fact that there are
common code points, is there one Unicode font that can be employed for
Simplified &Traditional Chinese and Japanese software?  If not, font
recommendations for each please?

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Hi Phil,

Thanks a lot for the reply!

> Martin
>  
> So, if I understand, you'd like to be able to open and read a bunch
> of properties files and determine their locale at runtime just
> before writing out the TMX with associated lang attributes?

That's right.

>  
> Can you determine the locale from the properties' file name
> (Volumes/users/me/myBundle_fr_FR.properties)? Then use either the
> PropertyResourceBundle or Properties classes?

I could get at the locale ID that way, but there is no way to set the
locale on a PropertyResourceBundle. At least no obvious way, like a
.setLocale(string locID) method.

>  
> If you're just using these classes to get over the encoding in the
> properties files it might be easier to use native2ascii to convert
> them all first to Unicode and then use some of the suggestions below:
>  
> 1. Regular Expressions
> 2. Alchemy Catalyst
> 3. Rainbow


That sounds like an option, even though I'd rather have a dedicated
tool.
I also checked the source code of OmegaT,
which has a filter for .properties. They are just parsing the
.properties file as a text file and doing the conversion on a
character level. I was hoping there'd be an easier way.

The Maxprograms tool ProptertiesViewer somehow does it. I wonder how.

>  
> I don't know for sure if 2 or 3 can help but I think they can. I
> can also recommend a good LSP who's engineering team might be able to help.

:-))

Cheers,

Martin

>  
> Phil Ritchie.

> --- On Sun, 5/10/08, Martin Wunderlich <martin_wu@...> wrote:

> From: Martin Wunderlich <martin_wu@...>
> Subject: [i18n-prog] Java question: How to construct a ResourceBundle from a
file
> To: "Ian Davies" <i18n-prog@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 6:58 PM






> Hi all,

> I hope someone on this list might know the answer to the following
> question:
> I am creating a program to process ResourceBundles and do stuff to
> the keys and values (to be more precise, I want to construct a TMX
> file from a bunch of existing translations in .properties files).

> I have come across the problem that there is no constructor for the
> ResourceBundle class that would take a file
> name as input. The only way I can create ResourceBundles, it seems,
> is by referring to the .properties file with a fully qualified
> class name (e.g. com.example. MyBundle) as the base name.

> Any ideas how I can get a working ResourceBundle object by passing in
> the file name (e.g. "/Volumes/users/ me/myBundle. properties" )?? I can
> create a PropertyResourceBun dle object from a FileInputStream
> alright, but when I call .getLocale() on that PropertyResourceBun dle,
> I only get null.

> Any help would be very much appreciated.

> Cheers,

> Martin

>














>


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