I'm not suggesting that at all AND I'm not "whining." There are much
more effective ways to block spam than server filtering and blackhole
lists. Check out this article, particularly the Bayesian filters
advocated by Paul Graham...they work right now and they "learn" how to
be more and more effective:

http://vu.iiaa.net/Lib/Tec/TI/Email/WilsonSpamCure.htm

At least that's my opinion and I could be wrong.

- Bill

P.S. But we all know that the glut of spam won't subside until people
stop patronizing the products and services being hawked by these folks.



-----Original Message-----
From: Armando WarpKat Ortiz [mailto:warpkat@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 11:20 AM
To: iiaavu@...
Cc: coach@...; i_did_not_get_my_email@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [i_did_not_get_my_email] Critics set up anti-SPEWS Web site

Then what do you suggest? That we ignore the problem? I applaud the
efforts of SBL lists only because the people that operate them actually
TRY to address the problem rather than whine about it.

If marketers had any clue about HOW to market to begin with without
resorting to guerilla marketing and bulk email that clogs inboxes, we'd
be in a better position to say that they weren't needed, however, since
marketers only think of $$$, well, then this blows the whole arguement
away that email is going to hell because of the SBL, now doesn't it?

> Blackhole lists are a barbaric, biased, mistake-prone, and inefficient
way
> to control spam. Worse.they too often hurt the innocent.
>
> Bill Wilson, CPCU, ARM, AIM, AAM
> Director
> IIABA's Virtual University
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> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:10 PM
> To: i_did_not_get_my_email@yahoogroups.com
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> thanks justin for posting this....
> i just had my ip blacklisted by spews.org, cuz of a spammer on the
same ip
> block. i now have to move my entire server, assign new ips, change
name
> servers, and inform my thousands of users of potential down time while
all
> of this is happening.
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> lovely, eh?
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> lisa micklin
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