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Re: [ia-cms-l] Re: CMS: What do they do well - and what do they still need to do

Hi Mike,

Please take another look @ documentum (everyone I am no longer an
employee of DCTM) they have a wonderful addition to their Web
Publisher application called Content Intelligence Services. OK, I was
not in product marketing there, so I didn't come up w/ the name, but
this is basically a robust engine for taxonomy and meta data
management and if I understand Mike correctly it is the engine for
mike to do exactly what he needs.

Now here's the trick. There is no magic here. Someone has to configure
this puppy. Someone has to create the taxonomical structure. Nothing
can do this for you. Nothing is going to do your job for you. If they
claim it does, they are lying.

But what tools like CIS do for you is manage it for you after the fact
and help you apply your work to the content you previously created and
will create.

-- dave

mikejaixen <mikejaixen@...> wrote:
> My view of content management is that it should include site
> management features - but I haven't seen a lot of good examples of it.
> My view point is that content management systems are adept at
> allowing users to create and update web pages, and post them to a web
> site. However, they are less adept at taking that new content and
> updating the navigation on the site in the appropriate spot. Most of
> the time, it appears to be a manual process.
>
> In my vision of what a content management system should do, it would
> contain an automated inventory of all of the content, which would
> include all of the information that IA's typically collect manually
> through a site audit. It would then give you tools to work with that
> content inventory and update/regenerate navigation as necessary.
>
> Primarily, content authors would provide enough metadata that this
> content inventory could be automatically updated with new content and
> regenerate the necessary site navigation automatically. (If I were to
> dream further, IA's would have the tools necessary to later revamp,
> reorganize, and update the navigation en masse as the site evolves.)
>
> Sure, we have little point solutions here and there that meet some of
> these needs. But I don't see a total solution - or even a framework
> for building a solution - from vendors.
>
> Perhaps I've looked at the wrong vendors. In the past, I've heard
> "you can do it" and found out that really "you can build it yourself
> if you need it".




Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:30 am

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Perhaps to kick start this group again, I'd like to get some thoughts about content management systems. I often think of the old line: "Can't live with them,...
mikejaixen
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Sep 22, 2003
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Can you give examples of what is sitemanagement vs. content management? -- dave ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder -...
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Sep 23, 2003
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My view of content management is that it should include site management features - but I haven't seen a lot of good examples of it. My view point is that...
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Sep 23, 2003
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Hi Mike, Please take another look @ documentum (everyone I am no longer an employee of DCTM) they have a wonderful addition to their Web Publisher application...
David Heller
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Sep 24, 2003
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Tools like this (or Interwoven's MetaTagger) appear to have a great deal of power to help categorize content. But they essentially stop after the content is...
mikejaixen
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Sep 25, 2003
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Of course you can export the metadata into whatever you want. The metadata is housed in the host server as a database so the app server can query against it,...
David Heller
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Sep 25, 2003
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Perhaps Documentum did it right, but what about other vendors? (Not an I know that Interwoven, Vignette, and Stellent all have content classification services,...
mikejaixen
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Sep 27, 2003
8:02 am

Dave - I'm trying to understand CIS a little better. Perhaps you can help me. You mentioned that CIS does not generate a taxonomy but categorizes documents ...
Marcia Morante
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Sep 25, 2003
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To be honest, I'm less familiiar w/ the metadata piece than the taxonomy piece. But my understanding is that you create rules for what it should use for...
David Heller
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Sep 25, 2003
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mike wrote: <snip> ... </snip> In my vision a content management system manages content for several delivery methods, not just websites. I agree a *web*...
melanie.kendell
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Sep 24, 2003
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Yes, I agree, like single source management, etc. and as many integrated output formats as possible. Bev ... ===== Bev Corwin PO Box 77614 Seattle, WA 98177...
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