they are doing it for all their lists - you can pay them to turn
it off

perhaps we should consider using sourceforge for lists.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 08:52:12PM +0100, Michael McConnell wrote:
>
> Gah. What the f*ck have eGroups done to the list?? Ads at the foot of the
> list messages was bad enough... but ads at the top is just horrendous!!
>
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>
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On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 08:07:18AM +1100, enterfornone wrote:
>
> they are doing it for all their lists - you can pay them to turn
> it off
>
> perhaps we should consider using sourceforge for lists.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 08:52:12PM +0100, Michael McConnell wrote:

yes yes yes then we get a [icewm] in the topic
hehehe.

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Hi!

My mailer extracts the beginning of a Mail to display it in the overview
of new mails. Typically I remove mails looking SPAM without taking a
further look at them and almost did delete mails coming from this list.

Am I the only one who finds this behaviour of egroups very nasty?

Jupp

On 30-Aug-2000 Josef 'Jupp' Schugt spoke something to the effect:
>
> Hi!
>
> My mailer extracts the beginning of a Mail to display it in the overview
> of new mails. Typically I remove mails looking SPAM without taking a
> further look at them and almost did delete mails coming from this list.
>
> Am I the only one who finds this behaviour of egroups very nasty?

This will quickly lead to my unsubscribing! As in NOW!

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>
> Hi!
>
> My mailer extracts the beginning of a Mail to display it in the overview
> of new mails. Typically I remove mails looking SPAM without taking a
> further look at them and almost did delete mails coming from this list.
>
> Am I the only one who finds this behaviour of egroups very nasty?
>
> Jupp

    My primary objection would be the exclusion of WOLF PORN! There's is
too much sterotypical nude women in porn, that's sexist and offensive!
What does egroups have against having sex with wolves anyways?!
It's perfectly valid to have sex with wolves if that is what both parties
want.

    Okay, seriously, SPAM has no place in an e-mail. Egroups should have
some kind of deliminator that marks spam so we can elect not to recieve
it. :p
This SPAM is afterall *UNSOLICITED* since I did not read about any such
warning about SPAM being sent.

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Uncle Meat <kcsmart@...> writes:
> > Am I the only one who finds this behaviour of egroups very nasty?
> This will quickly lead to my unsubscribing! As in NOW!

Marko or another icewm.sourceforge developer (are there some?), please
move the ml!

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On 31 Aug 2000, MJ Ray wrote:

> Uncle Meat <kcsmart@...> writes:
> > > Am I the only one who finds this behaviour of egroups very nasty?
> > This will quickly lead to my unsubscribing! As in NOW!
>
> Marko or another icewm.sourceforge developer (are there some?), please
> move the ml!

I'm quite happy to host the list on eridani.co.uk... plain ol' Majordomo.

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Michael McConnell wrote:

> On 31 Aug 2000, MJ Ray wrote:
>
> > Uncle Meat <kcsmart@...> writes:
> > > > Am I the only one who finds this behaviour of egroups very nasty?
> > > This will quickly lead to my unsubscribing! As in NOW!
> >
> > Marko or another icewm.sourceforge developer (are there some?), please
> > move the ml!
>
> I'm quite happy to host the list on eridani.co.uk... plain ol' Majordomo.

I've made the list, if you want to move to it just use it :)

	 majordomo@...

	 subscribe icewm

that's all there is to it :)

If someone wants to send me the complete members list I can drop it in.

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if everyone posted in html this wouldn't be a problem, since mutt would
then stip the ads...

it wouldn't be too hard to write a rule to strip them as long as the
header and footer stays the same.  might work on it over the weekend...

On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:20:47PM +0000, Josef 'Jupp' Schugt wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> My mailer extracts the beginning of a Mail to display it in the overview
> of new mails. Typically I remove mails looking SPAM without taking a
> further look at them and almost did delete mails coming from this list.
>
> Am I the only one who finds this behaviour of egroups very nasty?
>
> Jupp
>
>

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The list moderator (marco?) would have got an email a week or so ago warning
about it.

That thing looks like a seal, seriously...

On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:10:49PM -0700, learfox@... wrote:
>    My primary objection would be the exclusion of WOLF PORN! There's is
> too much sterotypical nude women in porn, that's sexist and offensive!
> What does egroups have against having sex with wolves anyways?!
> It's perfectly valid to have sex with wolves if that is what both parties
> want.
>
>    Okay, seriously, SPAM has no place in an e-mail. Egroups should have
> some kind of deliminator that marks spam so we can elect not to recieve
> it. :p
> This SPAM is afterall *UNSOLICITED* since I did not read about any such
> warning about SPAM being sent.
>
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> -Capt. Taura M.             ,   O=__                    --X--
> ..__                         ,_JNMNNEO=_                 /|\
> OMNOUMmnne.                  {OMMNNNEEEEOO=_
> UOOOBIOOOEOMMn.               'LONMMMMNNEEEOOO=.__..,,..
> UUOOEUUOOOOOOOObe              '"=OMMMMWNEEEOOOOO,"=OEEEOO=,._
> OOUUUIEEIOONNOIUbe.                "7OMMMMNNNNNWWEEEEOOOOOO"   "'.
> EEBNNMMMNWNWWEEIMMNe.             __  7EMMMNNNNNWWWEEEEEEEOO.     " .
> NNMMMMWWWMMMWEINMMMNn            "=BBEEEEMMMMMMMMNNNWWWEEOOOOO=._     .
>                   http://furry.ao.net/~learfox/
>
>
>

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> if everyone posted in html this wouldn't be a problem, since mutt would
> then stip the ads...

No !
Thats stupid, mails should only be written in plain ascii.
I know, some big bills and some firms with big N`s on hills want to have
html-mails, but thats stupid !

If mud needs html, whats about an procmail-filter which does conversion
for incoming mails ???

wys

Tobias

Just curious.....is there something out there that puts the images together
for me to put a theme together, ie : the borders for windows......and can
you have the double height be an independant height to the lower half

Darryl

Hello,

Not sure if this is quite what you are asking, but in IceWM the window border
has to be the same width all the way around.
As for a theme builder, there are none that I know of.

Tal


On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:59:23 +1000, Darryl said:

:
:  Just curious.....is there something out there that puts the images together
:  for me to put a theme together, ie : the borders for windows......and can
:  you have the double height be an independant height to the lower half
:
:  Darryl
:
:
:
:
:

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Right after installing iceWM and making it gnome' default WM, I've
noticed this bug:
If a window is maximzed and I unhide Gnome' panel by placing mouse
over it, a winow that was maximzed get's shrinked by the panel that
was raised, when panel goes down, that window gets to it's maximum
maximization.

  I wander if it's a bug or this can be fixed in some settings?

Right after installing iceWM and making it gnome' default WM, I've
noticed this bug:
If a window is maximzed and I unhide Gnome' panel by placing mouse
over it, a winow that was maximzed get's shrinked by the panel that
was raised, when panel goes down, that window gets to it's maximum
maximization.

  I wander if it's a bug or this can be fixed in some settings?

Michael McConnell <soruk@...> writes:
> > I'm quite happy to host the list on eridani.co.uk... plain ol' Majordomo.
> I've made the list, if you want to move to it just use it :)
>  majordomo@...
>  subscribe icewm
> that's all there is to it :)

Michael, please do not try a hijack like this because it will only
split the list.  Mail Marko and offer your services if you like, but
we kind of need the developers on board.  Besides, majordomo is not a
good list server.  ;-)

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I searched the net and found icewm.org :  ) answered my themeing questions
I now have another question , is there anyway of changing the arrow look on
the menu 's
weather it by modifying something in the source or not .... as i wouldnt
mind adding different
arrows (or what represent the arrows).


Darryl

Hello!
It seems like virtual desktops do not work in GNOME using IceWM as
windowmanager?
  True?


Thanks!

On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 01:40:37AM -0000, Yura  wrote:
> It seems like virtual desktops do not work in GNOME using IceWM as
> windowmanager?
>  True?
Not true. Try lowering the icewm priority in session manager, let's say to 10,
and then restart X. IIRC this should help.

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On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 01:40:37AM -0000, Yura  wrote:
>
>  Hello!
> It seems like virtual desktops do not work in GNOME using IceWM as
> windowmanager?
>  True?

Should certainly work, what is it doing?

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Could someone tell me, so I'm not wasting time, where does titleA( I )R
start from if you get what i mean , from the edge of the last button , or it
leaves a few pixel gap . I'm asking this before going thru a lot of cut cut
cuts .


Thanx

Darryl

>
> Should certainly work, what is it doing?

  Basically, Gnome's Desk Guide shows only one VirtDesktop.
In Ice's prefs four VirtDesks are named adn I can switch by fliping
screen edge, except that Gnome doesn't see it.

  :(

On Fri 01.09.2000, 12:00:27 +1000, Darryl said in public:
>I searched the net and found icewm.org :  ) answered my themeing questions
>I now have another question , is there anyway of changing the arrow look on
>the menu 's
>weather it by modifying something in the source or not .... as i wouldnt
>mind adding different arrows (or what represent the arrows).

You'd have to modify the source. Oleastre already has made a patch available
for themeable pointers, but AFAIK he didn't add a different pointer for over
the menus.
His patch is somewhere on the net or on
http://sourceforge.net/projects/icewm/ patch page

Markus.

On Fri 01.09.2000, 19:01:12 +1000, Darryl said in public:
>Could someone tell me, so I'm not wasting time, where does titleA( I )R
>start from if you get what i mean , from the edge of the last button , or it
>leaves a few pixel gap . I'm asking this before going thru a lot of cut cut
>cuts .

AFAIK no gap.

Markus.

PS: next time better Subject: please!

When I go to a web site that uses JavaScript to resize the Netscape
window, the window loses its boarders.  I've seen this problem with IceWM
1.04 on Linux (Intel and Alpha) and AIX.  To see a demonstration, go to
http://www.rs6000.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ds_form, enter something in the "Search
for:" field and click "Search This View".

I think this is an IceWM problem, and not a Netscape problem.

Richard Griswold - griswold@...

On Sat 02.09.2000, 23:36:40 -0500, Richard Griswold said in public:
>When I go to a web site that uses JavaScript to resize the Netscape
>window, the window loses its boarders.  I've seen this problem with IceWM
>1.04 on Linux (Intel and Alpha) and AIX.  To see a demonstration, go to

this is a known problem, but it appears only seldom i.e. not on all resizes.
It's not been fixed since nobody knows why it happens with some sites and
not with others i.e. we don't know what triggers it.

Markus.

> >When I go to a web site that uses JavaScript to resize the Netscape
> >window, the window loses its boarders.  I've seen this problem with IceWM
> >1.04 on Linux (Intel and Alpha) and AIX.  To see a demonstration, go to
>
> this is a known problem, but it appears only seldom i.e. not on all
resizes.
> It's not been fixed since nobody knows why it happens with some sites and
> not with others i.e. we don't know what triggers it.

Question this is gonna come out dickhead sounding but its the only way i
know to understand i didnt know what this | was called until about a month
ago , new what it did but not what it was called : ) would the javascript on
its resizing actually be fighting with the WM and NS as in java is going i
want this size and netscape going ok , but the WM goes ummm i have know idea
why this window is resizing as i should be the only one controlling it.


Darryl

> want this size and netscape going ok , but the WM goes ummm i have know idea
> why this window is resizing as i should be the only one controlling it.

Nah, windows often freely resize themselves (eg Gnome control centre)
and it doesn't cause problems most of the time.
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Markus Ackermann wrote:

> On Sat 02.09.2000, 23:36:40 -0500, Richard Griswold said in public:
> >When I go to a web site that uses JavaScript to resize the Netscape
> >window, the window loses its boarders.  I've seen this problem with IceWM
> >1.04 on Linux (Intel and Alpha) and AIX.  To see a demonstration, go to
>
> this is a known problem, but it appears only seldom i.e. not on all resizes.
> It's not been fixed since nobody knows why it happens with some sites and
> not with others i.e. we don't know what triggers it.

According to the ChangeLog file it seems to be a problem in IceWM's
or Netscape's MWM window flags implementation...

Marko improved the situation (many sites which triggered it do not do
it anymore. Strange that there are some sites left....)

Ciao,
Mathias

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Hi Everybody,

I'm moving the egroups mailing list over to SourceForge, I guess everyone
knows why...

You'll be automatically added to the new list icewm-user@...,
you'll receive a message as soon as this has happened. You're membership at
egroups will continue, but feel free to unsubscribe the egroups list.

So:

- Don't send any mails to icewm@egroups, they won't be forwarded to the members.
- send mails to icewm-user@... instead. This is the
   official IceWM users mailing list as soon as you have received the
   notification that you're on.

Markus.