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Re: [icsi-speech-tools] hidden layer output


On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Arlo Faria wrote:

> > > Be aware that there's a big in v3_20 (and earlier) that causes
> > > problems if there are a lot of reject frames. Specifically if the
> > > fraction of frames rejected ever passes the fraction of work being
> > > done by a given thread (e.g. 12.5% reject with 8 threads). There's
> > > been a fix around for a while but I haven't had time to release
> it (or
> > > merge Arlo's recent improvements).
> > Noted. Thank goodness I'm an accepting kind of guy, and don't tend
> > to reject much. :-)
>
> Rejecting frames is no joke! We've recently found that it's a great
> way
> to speed up training if you reject them in such a way as to leave a
> subset of data that has a uniform distribution over classes. This can
> reduce training time by an order of magnitude.

Yeah, that's similar to the kind of thing that Jun Hou and Larry
Rabiner were seeing in their TDNN trainings, if I interpret what
you're saying to mean equalizing the class priors in the data. I
assume this means that you want to randomly select individual frames
across utterances, rather than patches within utterances? Or does
this disrupt the caching too much?

It strikes me that this is in fact what we were trying to replicate,
without success (one of my students ran the experiment). Didn't
think to look for a bug, though.

Do you notice any degradation/gain in accuracy?

David -- no hurry on the patch, although it will be useful over here
when it gets in.

-Eric






Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:43 am

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Hi all, I started looking at all of the new options (woo hoo) in v 3.20, and am curious: is there a way on the command line to take a 3-layer MLP and strip off...
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... Eric> Hi all, I started looking at all of the new options (woo Eric> hoo) in v 3.20, and am curious: is there a way on the Eric> command line to take a...
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Yes, Matlab-formatted weights are definitely the way to go. ... In addition to Barry's HATs setup, you can do neat things like "bottleneck" features from Brno:...
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... Wow! That ain't rocket science! Thanks for the tip. ... Very cool, looking forward to it. -Eric...
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... aha. I still have old rap3 weights (from qnstrn) so I can use qncopywts to convert to matlab. I guess I could hack the rap3 weights file rather easily...
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... Rejecting frames is no joke! We've recently found that it's a great way to speed up training if you reject them in such a way as to leave a subset of data...
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... Arlo> Rejecting frames is no joke! We've recently found that it's Arlo> a great way to speed up training if you reject them in such Arlo> a way as to leave...
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... Yeah, that's similar to the kind of thing that Jun Hou and Larry Rabiner were seeing in their TDNN trainings, if I interpret what you're saying to mean...
Eric Fosler-Lussier
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... Yes, that's the idea in principle. In practice, I actually somewhat over-sample the more frequent classes for performance reasons. ... I randomly sample...
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... Eric> Or, does someone have some code to munge the weight files Eric> for me? ... Eric> aha. I still have old rap3 weights (from qnstrn) so I can Eric>...
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Hi Eric, ... Arlo already proposed a good solution. I cooperate with Brno guys on the new shiny Bottle-Neck features :) (hopefully more in ICASSP'08 paper) and...
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Ooops, I attached an old version of the c code. I uploaded the right version in the "Files" section. Petr....
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