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Amalgamation

All,

I had an off-list request to amalgamate this discussion for re-posting. Here
it is, with no specific credit reserved for me. (We've all contributed a
good bit.) Any of you are free to post what follows this intro wherever you
like. It's a friendly amalgamation of a lot of the recommendations sent
through the Idea Keeper list over the last couple of days. (I had no idea I
was going to set off such a firestorm with my initial post on a list that
usually is fairly inactive. :-) ) I'd also like to think Steve Jamieson for
recommending DevonThink. It debuted a little shaky, and I hadn't looked at
it since. It seems to have matured into a very powerful program--and,
finally, a worthy rival to Info Recall in the Windows world.

As an aside, I have had awful experiences with StickyBrain, which some of
you recommended. While I found it helpful enough for small projects to
purchase it (a mistake, I believe), I later found its user interface clunky
as I added more and more items, and I found it eventually bogged down under
the weight of even moderate relational database use. I'm glad that others
have found it useful--and will likely to continue to do so, for
light-to-moderate use--but I cannot recommend the program. Their tech
support also ignored several of my initial e-mails, further incurring my
displeasure. Nevertheless, I put it into the amalgamation below so it's not
overlooked.



To former Idea Keeper users (or those looking for powerful relational
database management on the Macintosh), here's a broad scan of the field:

Professional Grade:

Eastgate Software's Tinderbox features a nesting user interface and
extremely powerful "Agents," which one can set up structure a brainstorming
database, card catalog with notes, or even a daily online journal (blog).
Tinderbox is difficult to understand, even with its ~100-page user guide,
but it offers greater enhancement of the thesis-writing process (down to
flexible bibliographic management completely interoperable with
brainstorming and composing environments) than any other tool I've seen.
It's definitely worth a look: http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/

Devon Technologies' DevonThink PE is a powerful database engine that accepts
and indexes text, RTF, MS Word, PDF, HTML, and a variety of image formats.
To a user dedicated to dumping the information they write or encounter into
it, it enables rapid searches for terms or phrases, recognizes the contexts
in which words occur, and can even suggest related documents and assist in
file categorization. Through its AntiWord Service, it even strips Word
documents of all their formatting in order to enable more fluid database
management. For a long while, Mac users have longed for a product similar to
Info Recall for the PC (http://www.inforecall.com/ ). DevonThink appears to
be it. For more information, see
http://www.devon-technologies.com/products/devonthink.html .


Educational/Personal Grade:

Aquaminds' NoteTaker, which has a prettier user interface than IK, enables
one to do presentations directly from one's outlines, but lacks a lot of the
quick shortcuts that helped make IK so powerful:
http://www.aquaminds.com/index.jsp

Pocket Notes has a similar feature set to Aquaminds' NoteTaker. PocketNotes
has a more typical database-like interface and skins to beautify it, whereas
NoteTaker uses the familiar, non-PC interface of spiral notebooks.
Unfortunately, this interface trick does make NoteTaker incompatible with
WindowShade (a Mac OS X hack that restores the ability to shade windows).
PocketNotes also seems to worm more quickly yet lacks the ability to do
presentations directly from one's outlines. It's available from
http://www.pocketsw.com/PocketSoftware/pocket_notes.php


Entry-Level:

Stay At Play's Idea Knot is very similar to the no-longer-supported Idea
Keeper, though with a smaller feature set:
http://www.StayAtPlay.com/ideaknot/

Z-Write also has some similar capabilities that many writers may find
useful. Conspicuous by its absence is the ability to nest folders used to
organize content, but its unusual bookmark feature--a life-saver in longer
documents--makes this software worth a look:
http://www.stonetablesoftware.com/z-write/

Sticky Brain, billed as "Stickies on Steroids," is an entry-level relational
database with a user interface built around the Sticky/Post-It concept:
http://www.chronosnet.com/&/products/sb_product.html

Also of possible interest are Idea Spiral, http://www.midnite-liteman.com ,
and Sh-Out! My Brain, http://www.strawberryheads.com/shoutmybrain/index.html
, both still young in their development.


Concept-Mapping Software:

Strictly Concept-Mapping versions of the Tinderbox relational database and
concept drawing idea include Concept Draw's Mind Map Pro, an expensive but
useful program for amalgamating all of one's idea maps associated with the
same project into the same space (Pro edition only),
http://www.conceptdraw.com/en/products/mindmap/main.php ; Inspiration
Software's Inspiration, another idea mapping software program in heavy use
in schools here in the US, http://www.inspiration.com ; and a host of other
minor-league competitors, including the Omni Group's OmniGraffle, an
entry-level idea mapping software program interoperable with the company's
outliner, http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/ ; Nova Mind
concept mapping software, http://www.nova-mind.com ; and the free,
cross-platform IHMC Concept Mapping software from
http://cmap.coginst.uwf.edu/ .

Finally, for those looking for a relational database simply to organize
records of what's been going on in their lives, the free MacJournal is an
award-winning software program: http://homepage.mac.com/dschimpf/

And for those looking for help with mapping decisions, the PC/Mac Re-Treeval
might be of interest: http://www.kudlian.demon.co.uk/products/retreeval.html




Tue Feb 18, 2003 3:30 pm

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Thanks, Immo! I wasn't familiar with PocketNotes, and I was only familiar with MacJournal in the form of its Korean hack (http://www.taewon.de/ ). If you or...
Matthew McNatt
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Feb 17, 2003
5:40 pm

All, I had an off-list request to amalgamate this discussion for re-posting. Here it is, with no specific credit reserved for me. (We've all contributed a good...
Matthew McNatt
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Feb 18, 2003
3:31 pm

All, I have no experience with this one, but I found it in my bookmark file when I was doing some organizing this morning. Just goes to show the value of ...
Matthew McNatt
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Feb 18, 2003
5:08 pm

Another one that hasn't been mentioned is Casady & Green's iData Pro - a successor, I believe to InfoGenie. Don't know anything more about it, but you can find...
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Feb 18, 2003
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On 18/02/2003, Nick Page wrote ... When I switched to MacOSX, I got Classic as part of the deal, and still use More as my software of choice for presentations....
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Feb 19, 2003
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Matthew, Thanks so much for the overview. There was TidBits review of Boswell some time back. Boswell did not fare very well. ...
André Rüegg
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Feb 18, 2003
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Matthew and all, Thanks so much for the wealth of info regarding potential IK replacements. Any program that I am going to use to collect my various notes etc....
André Rüegg
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Feb 20, 2003
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André, DEVONthink allows for this in the Info panel for each item. Phenomenal program for research purposes. I have thousands of articles, images, etc stored...
Steve Jamieson
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Feb 20, 2003
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As others have said, this is a useful discussion. Short story: I would like to find another program that has good file-linking and good outlining. Any...
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Feb 20, 2003
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Michael, I guess I sound like a salesperson for DEVONthink (I'm not) - it's just a fantastic application. You can link any file on your drive to a document in...
Steve Jamieson
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Feb 21, 2003
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Thanks, Steve. I saw that the info box has an entry for a URL but I don't see that DEVONthink can automatically record the URL of a web page that a clipping is...
André Rüegg
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Feb 20, 2003
9:09 pm

Notepad has an entry for URL! I love its simplicity. It needs 5 t0 15 minutes dedicated to finding out the keyboard commands, because since the manual only...
Olav Bijvoet
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Feb 20, 2003
10:53 pm

I took a quick look at the version 2 beta but did not get the sense that it was as powerful at organizing information as DEVONthink or Tinderbox. Andre...
André Rüegg
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Feb 22, 2003
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Hi Andre All the learned discussions got me interested. I admire the nerds. I feel like a common believer reading theology. To get to basics: I have bought...
Olav Bijvoet
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Feb 22, 2003
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... I know what you mean. Looking for the perfect information manager/organizer is like the quest for the Holy Grail. ... As long as there is no slow down in...
André Rüegg
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Feb 24, 2003
6:20 am

Andre, It looks like you're at the same place I am. I'm pretty happy with Endnote as a pure bibliographic database, but would like more integration with the ...
Richard Lavin
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Feb 21, 2003
3:24 am

Andre & Rick, My use of IK was much more along the lines of a note taking program from an ever-expanding set of references. I wasn't satisfied with EndNote...
Matthew McNatt
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Feb 21, 2003
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Hi folks, I¹ve followed the thread the last few days with real interest (and it made good reading while being snowed in in Washington, D.C.!). I found...
Barry L. Casey
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Feb 21, 2003
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Barry, What do you mean by "you can't open it". Just tried a download from VersionTracker. It downloads a compressed doc named DEVONthink_PE_1.5.dmg.tar which...
Steve Jamieson
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Feb 21, 2003
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Barry, I downloaded DEVONthink a couple of days ago. I just opened the dmg and drapped the application to my applications folder. Worked like a charm just as...
André Rüegg
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Feb 22, 2003
6:14 am

... Exactly! EndNote is good as far as it goes but it doesn't go far enough. ... Do you use Tinderbox for your bibliographic info also? ... I am hoping that by...
André Rüegg
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Feb 22, 2003
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Andre, ... Yes, but I've have to manually enter them--and my bibliography is less than 500 texts. I never figured out how to download the data and import it,...
Matthew McNatt
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Feb 22, 2003
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... Hmm.. My main EndNote database has 14,000 articles and is growing. I don't really want to break it up into separate databases because so much of what I do...
André Rüegg
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Feb 24, 2003
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Hi Richard ... Yep. I'm ready to grow out of EndNote and StickyBrain and would LOVE something that could do what they both do as databases and then some. ... I...
André Rüegg
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Feb 22, 2003
5:16 am

André, Any text selected in a cocoa-based browser (Safari being to my mind the best as is maintains the text formatting) can be made into a new rtf doc via a...
Steve Jamieson
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Feb 21, 2003
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Steve: I'm another delighted user of DEVONthink. For me, it's the killer app for OS X. I've got thousands of scientific and technical reference files on my ...
Bill DeVille
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Feb 21, 2003
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Bill, Thanks for you insight into DEVONthink. I am happy to hear that the program does not slow down as the database grows. That is one of the reasons that I...
André Rüegg
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Feb 22, 2003
5:33 am

Andre, Bill will probably answer this but .... In DT you can create a Duplicate or Replicate doc. Can't remember which one is which, but I think Replicate...
Steve Jamieson
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Feb 22, 2003
5:50 am

Steve, ... That is neat. I think that is how DEVONthink puts the same note into different categories or groups. My question came out of imagining writing a ...
André Rüegg
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Feb 22, 2003
6:27 am

André, NoteTaker will allow you to collate bits of info from various notes all through the database into one Summary area. Is that what you need? Regards, ...
Steve Jamieson
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Feb 22, 2003
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