>Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 02:41:54 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@...>
>Subject: Re: The Clown

WR: We've been through all this before, Johnny boy, it's
deja vu all over again.

JCT: That's right. You make unsubstantiated statements, I
bet you can't prove them, and you back down.

WR: It's not a question of you being or not being a
"qualified" engineer; you're not an engineer, period.
Just a phony; a con-man.

JCT: Oh, and you call me names when you can't take my bet.

WR: How do I know that? Because no engineer, repeat, no
engineer, particularly the electronic engineer you
arrogantly claim to be, would make the really stupid
statements you have have made about "Laplace
transforms" and "negative feedback" you have made. It's as
simple as that.

JCT: And I've said "which statements would you like to bet
on that I'm wrong," and just like here, you can't offer any
actual statements I have have made about "Laplace
transforms" and "negative feedback" that are wrong. As long
as you keep backing down, go ahead and call me names.

WR: Having a diploma doesn't make you an "engineer."

JCT: If you say so.

WR: An engineer has to demonstrate his ability by being
employed as an engineer, passing board examinations, etc. By
your own admission you have never been employed even for a
single day in your life as an engineer.

JCT: And there are so many engineers who have specialised
in Banking Systems Engineering.

WR: But I don't think you have a diploma at all.

JCT: Wow. He already forgot I posted my diploma at
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/diploma.jpg and I even
mentioned it just two posts ago. Har har har har.

WR: Why don't you open your transcripts?

JCT: So you can claim I'm boasting about my A in Fourth Year
Electronics Engineering?

WR: Let us see where they are stamped, "graduate." Posting
to the Internet what purports to be a photocopy of a
"diploma" just won't do it, Johnny boy. Because you're a
con-man, and we know it. I've called your bluff.

JCT: You called my bluff with how much cash? I've offered
$1000 Canadian to 1 Turkish Lira (one billion to 1) and I
haven't seen you cash. Flash my cash, bye bye trash. Oh, are
you betting my banking systems engineering is wrong or my
engineering diploma is wrong?

WR: I mean your certified transcripts from Carleton. Give
them permission to send a certified copy to anyone who
requests, like me. That's all you have to do to "prove" me
wrong.

JCT: What are my grades going to prove except I'm an A-class
engineer?

WR: Where we can actually see the grades you would have
gotten in the courses in which you would have presumably
learned about "Laplace transforms" and "negative feedback,"
which you know nothing about, and completely misconstrue. An
uneducated ignoramus.

JCT: Again, I only spend this time so I can expose you as a
sham Social Crediter, a certified "never back up what you
say" fraud, and it upsets me to see how people let you get
away with spouting the same drivel you couldn't back up in
our earlier debates. It's a timely reminder that if a
lunatic like Ryan can be treated seriously by many in the
Social Credit and IJCCR communities, it is a problem.
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>Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 03:15:50 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "William B. Ryan" <w_b_ryan@...>
>Subject: Re: The Clown

Marco, my naive little friend, the man has intruded himself
into public forums all over the place for years; he is a
judas goat leading people astray. The message I responded to
was not private; it was cross-posted to more than a half
dozen lists on Usenet. I have not only the right but the
duty to respond.

JCT: And Ryan's followed me to many of those forums to keep
bad-mouthing me despite never being able to take one of my
bets. When a man keeps chickening out from what he has said,
when a man refuses to ever back up what he says, when a man
won't up and he won't shut up, the only thing for me to keep
stressing is his constant cowardice in backing up what he
says.

So far, here, he has said my explanations of feedback are
wrong and I'll offer $100 to anyone on IJCCR if you can find
anywhere where he offered a coherent analysis of my flawed
presentation which anyone can read in my world-reknowned
advanced engineering analysis at
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/bankmath.htm

He called my bluff. Har har har har. With no cash!
1,000,000,000 to 1 and he can't put up cash.
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>Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:28:36 +1000
>From: "Graeme Taylor" <telergy@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: The Clown

GT: Nice one , um, which one won?

JCT: Graeme's not sure who won, the guy who wanted to bet
and the guy who ran away?

GT: So William, at least John advocates for a certain
alternate to the dominant mono money, created by business
principles of profit making by the banks, but I'm unsure
what it is you advocate.

JCT: The attack was about feedback. Not what he advocates.
I'd like to hear. Here I am touting myself as the world's
premier banking systems engineer for having been invited to
make the presentation on the new time-based banking system
of the new millennium at the UN and if Ryan's right that I
have something as elementary as positive, zero and negative
feedback wrong, then the world should know. Except if the
doubts are raised by a notorious loud-mouth who never backs
up what he says. Then you waste your time.

GT: Indeed, we need criticism, to see through "chain letter"
types of scams, but what is it, WBRyan, that you advocate as
an alternative to the mono money?

JCT: And what is that you say The Engineer has wrong about
his explanation of feedback?

GT: And maybe CCs can engage them dispaced people down
Bourbon Street way, better than what happened last time.
cheers Graeme Taylor
----- Original Message -----
not worth reprinting

JCT: Within a couple posts, I'm already hearing from those
who express disappointment with these acrimonious posts. I
just with they'd stop reading them reading them instead of
suggesting censorship.

I always find it interesting how the people who suggest that
things need to be censored are those who can't help reading
that which they are offended by. No one forces them to read
these antogonistic debates. You know what you're getting
when you read Turmel, combat engineering. If you don't like,
don't read it. But also don't try to stop others from
reading it.

Ah, how therapeutic! It's always cathartic to beat up on a
bankster agent and make him back down over and over again.
How often do people get to call someone a coward, all my
favorite saying, flash the cash, bye bye trash, put up or
shut up, aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Beating up on the likes of Ryan is the only real pleasure I
ever get, other than reading reports about anti-poverty LETS
interest-free social credits helping people survive their
misery.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics