John and others -

I am an intermittent communicator on this list but I plug in to read
posts 2 or 3 times a week to add to my intelligence diet. Castrating
it into a mere announcement list is simply counter-productive to
nurturing the ball of energy that is needed to make CC's manifest in
the world.

If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should simply make one at
Yahoo and place all the subscribers to this list onto the new
announcement list. Lets (pun intended) have two lists.

This discussion list is like a CC right now. The currency is the
exchange of information between us, the community. The move to an
announcement list is analagous to going into the central banking
business.

The value of this list is in the people here, not in the title IJCCR.
IJCCR should be thrilled that they have such a vibrant and at times
contentious arena of, in the main, honest debate.

I politely request that IJCCR creates a new announcement list (ie
ijccr_announce@yahoogroups.com) to run alongside this one. The loss of
momentum in failing to do that far outweighs any advantages that IJCCR
may think it will attain.

-- Pablo



On Nov 29, 2007 12:02 AM, Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez@...> wrote:
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> Nobody decided to "end free discussion." The owners of this list extended
> the opportunity for people to set up their own mailing lists and announce
> them here, which some have done.
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> If you don't like their decision, you can set up your own list and announce
> it here.
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> The owners of the list are not obligated to run the list in a way that we
> demand. The list is run on *their* time and energy. People who want that
> environment can set up their own and announce them here.
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> Frankly, they are being responsible my recognizing the limitations of their
> intended scope and final project. It's not easy to "end" or drastically
> change a community.
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> Solutions to all complaints about the change in format: Start your own
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> On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel <bc726@...> wrote:
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> > >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group cwilli5210
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> > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten years, and also
> > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the same time, I would
> > > like to announce that the new Editorial Board of the journal
> > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is not fulfilling
> > > its original aim, which was to be a forum for discussion of
> > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
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> > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to end free
> > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
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> > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in on the decision to end
> > discussion in this group. I know the members had no say. So who did?
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> Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
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