Peter -

I guess our agreement here (along with many others who have voiced similar
sentiments) at least proves the continued existence of common sense.

Having checked the list today at yahoogroups I note that there are some 510
subscribers on this discussion list. The closer the deadline looms for the
loss of this resource, it becomes clear that not even
the opponents of cc's could strike a more damaging blow.

To the owner of this list I repeat my request for the continuation of this
list and the addition of an announcement list. Either:

1) Keep this list the same and create "ijccr_announce" for your new
announcement only list or
2) Create "ijccr_discussion" for the continuation of this list and use the
existing "ijccr" as your announcement list

Either way the result is the same. The lifeblood of the community continues
to circulate.

If neither of these suggestions are acceptable, then can you at least
provide some responsible individual on this list with the 510 email
addresses of the current subscribers so that they can be placed upon a new
email discussion list.

-- Pablo




On 11/29/07, Peter Hogwood <p_t_hogwood@...> wrote:
>
> "If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should
> simply make one at Yahoo and place all the subscribers
> to this list onto the new announcement list. Lets (pun
> intended) have two lists."
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Of course, this is just plain good common sense. With
> a few mouse clicks they could set up a parallel
> announcement list. Which tells me that Colin Williams
> and his "editorial board" don't have just plain good
> common sense, or he is lying to us. I suspect the
> latter possibility is the more likely. If the
> discussions have not gone the way they wanted, he can
> blame himself for that, for being the completely
> incompetent moderator he has been. "Hands off,"
> indeed. Not doing his job is the better way to
> describe it. He corrects that deficiency through
> eliminating his job by discontinuing the list. What a
> laugh.
>
> Peter
>
> --- Pablo 88 <pablo88@... <pablo88%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > John and others -
> >
> > I am an intermittent communicator on this list but I
> > plug in to read
> > posts 2 or 3 times a week to add to my intelligence
> > diet. Castrating
> > it into a mere announcement list is simply
> > counter-productive to
> > nurturing the ball of energy that is needed to make
> > CC's manifest in
> > the world.
> >
> > If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should
> > simply make one at
> > Yahoo and place all the subscribers to this list
> > onto the new
> > announcement list. Lets (pun intended) have two
> > lists.
> >
> > This discussion list is like a CC right now. The
> > currency is the
> > exchange of information between us, the community.
> > The move to an
> > announcement list is analagous to going into the
> > central banking
> > business.
> >
> > The value of this list is in the people here, not in
> > the title IJCCR.
> > IJCCR should be thrilled that they have such a
> > vibrant and at times
> > contentious arena of, in the main, honest debate.
> >
> > I politely request that IJCCR creates a new
> > announcement list (ie
> > ijccr_announce@yahoogroups.com <ijccr_announce%40yahoogroups.com>) to
> run alongside
> > this one. The loss of
> > momentum in failing to do that far outweighs any
> > advantages that IJCCR
> > may think it will attain.
> >
> > -- Pablo
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2007 12:02 AM, Rich Vázquez
> > <rich.vazquez@... <rich.vazquez%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nobody decided to "end free discussion." The
> > owners of this list extended
> > > the opportunity for people to set up their own
> > mailing lists and announce
> > > them here, which some have done.
> > >
> > > If you don't like their decision, you can set up
> > your own list and announce
> > > it here.
> > >
> > > The owners of the list are not obligated to run
> > the list in a way that we
> > > demand. The list is run on *their* time and
> > energy. People who want that
> > > environment can set up their own and announce
> > them here.
> > >
> > > Frankly, they are being responsible my
> > recognizing the limitations of their
> > > intended scope and final project. It's not easy
> > to "end" or drastically
> > > change a community.
> > >
> > > Solutions to all complaints about the change in
> > format: Start your own
> > > list.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel
> > <bc726@... <bc726%40freenet.carleton.ca>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> > > > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> > > > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group
> > cwilli5210
> > > > >
> > > > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> > > > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten
> > years, and also
> > > > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the
> > same time, I would
> > > > > like to announce that the new Editorial Board
> > of the journal
> > > > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is
> > not fulfilling
> > > > > its original aim, which was to be a forum for
> > discussion of
> > > > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to
> > end free
> > > > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
> > > >
> > > > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in
> > on the decision to end
> > > > discussion in this group. I know the members
> > had no say. So who did?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > --
> > > Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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