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JCT: I've explained in past posts how I supported Brantford
Mayoral candidate Chris Friel's request for 5-minute opening
statements during our mayoral election debate but Rogers
Cable television simply told us to take our free time the
way they gave it to us or leave it. They think that because
they televise City Hall meetings, that we use their
moderator, so they get to call the shots in rule-making.
Note in US presidential elections how the participants agree
to the rules, they are not imposed by the media.

Maybe it's time to have City Hall run the municipal debates
from City Hall and Rogers can cover it, not run it. All we
have to do is get rid of the Rogers moderator. Then, with
Philp gone next time, and Rogers simply covering the
proceedings, not running them, maybe the candidates will
have some input in how we want our positions presented.

Anyway, moderator Tim Philp explained that the evening's
questions would be from the media panel: Rogers TV reporter
Joe Persia, CKPC radio reporter Samantha Lee, but  instead
of the usual Michael Allan Marion from the Expositor, they
had a Laurier journalism student Stephanie Quatrociocchi. I
saw Marion taking notes from the audience. Finally, there
would be some questions from members of the audience
"framed" with the help of Philp's assistant Jacquie. You can
bet Fuhrer Philp wasn't going to be letting in any questions
on marijuana or social currency financing since topics can
only be raised by his media panel or by his pre-screened
questions. The Fuhrer Philp Format with Fuhrer Philp in 100%
control of all topics through a media panel and pre-screened
questions. Fuhrer Philp Format has debate dumbed down to the
level of the tim-bit thinking moderator.

"No signs or banners permitted in the audience and no
buttons, badges or props will be permitted for use by the
candidates." Under the Fuhrer Philp Format, no political
color is allowed. A whole history of use of buttons, badges
or props has been negated under the Fuhrer Philp Dictate.
If, next time, we can get rid of Philp as moderator and rid
of Rogers running the show, then maybe we can allow
candidates to add a little color to the show. If Friel gets
elected, he should also be pretty eager to get rid of the
Big Brother control and have the City host the City Hall
debates, not the scribes.

And instead of a quiet cue for 15 seconds left, Tim-bit
brain decided to use a bell which disconcertingly and
noisily interrupted everyone's train of thought. Another
winner innovation in televised debates. Next time, a gong?

I led my speech with the Our Father which says Thy Kingdom
come when Thy Will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. We
can have Heaven on Earth if no one's chasing anyone for
debts and we have tomorrow's bread. Nothing better. I told
them I'd be talking about the LETS software, Timebanks, (I
pulled out my LETS diskette badge and showed it even if I
didn't put it on - Fuhrer  Philp had two cops at the door
again, bet Brantford's is the only Rogers debate where cops
are part of the expenses. Certainly not in my last Ottawa
Nepean provincial by-election. No cops at that Rogers
debate. Only cops needed when using the Fuhrer Philp Format.

Philp: I would ask you remember our prohibition against
badges and buttons.

JCT: The Fuhrer's law against badges and buttons. For
showing a decal of a diskette with the word LETS. I didn't
need the hassle and am surprised I didn't say "Call a cop"
and put it on. Then again, I'm still on probation and
getting taken away means not getting out. Not over a badge.

After Winston Ferguson had finished, Philp used his favorite
put-down, "looks like it's going to be a long night."

Q1: Samantha Lee: Should Brantford property be the next
occupation site for the Native protests and should the
Iroquois be notified of development applications.

JCT: Of course, it's about them getting their fair share in
a world where's there's not enough (money) to go around. So
I explained:

Turmel: They're in favor of continued talking and so am I.
But, the Six Nations were part of the Iroquois Confederacy
many years ago and they used to use "wampum" which was a
form of "social currency." Every indian had the right to
issue his own bead worth a beaver pelt or an eagle feather
and that became the currency within the region. Then the
white man came over and talked them into giving up their
wampum and getting in the unemployment line with the white
man but there's no reason a social currency system set up
for Brantford wouldn't be able to deliver the same sort of
financial services back to the indians that they used to
have. Once again, from out of history, we find that people
who ran their own currency systems didn't have to get in
hock to the loansharks and didn't have to suffer poverty.
They were smart enough to use interest-free wampum in the
past, I'll talk them into using interest-free wampum again.

Q2: Joe Persia: Phrase to summarize your leadership style.

Turmel: When they OPP busted my casino, the biggest bust in
gaming house Canadian history, they called it Project Robin
Hood. Spartacus, Anti-poverty engineer, poker systems
engineer, I've been called so many things, I don't know what
I'm proudest of. But, Anti-poverty engineer for having
engineered the social currency software that's spreading
around the world is my claim to fame. So, "money systems
engineer." I'm going to fix the money system and stop you
from being poor.

JCT: I guess I should have said I have no style, I have only
new software.

Q3: Stephanie Quatrociocchi: People have said Friel's
apology to veterans was 3 years too late and somewhat
convenient now that he's running again. Any comment?

JCT: Friel restated he had apologized right away and again
repeated he wasn't trying to insult the veterans. Hancock
passed on the question.

Turmel: I like the article in the newspaper by Ms. Brush who
said that her father's generation had the kind of class
where, when someone apologized in public, you didn't
question their motives, you just accepted it. I think that
poll in the newspaper was absolutely no-class disgusting. To
discuss whether or not we should refuse a public apology.
How dare anyone say that? So I think that's the most
shameful blot on an election I've seen, the sleaziest slur
I've ever seen by a newspaper; doing a poll on whether we
should refuse a public apology, that puked me right out.
David Judd, you're a pig.

JCT: Though the Fuhrer had it set up so almost nothing could
be picked up without his leave, some laughter did make it
through. No one booed.

Winston "Bucky" Ferguson told Friel not to apologize, "it's
a sign of weakness." I shouted I was tired of him
apologizing too, enough is enough. No more apologizing. You
can hear the guffaws from the audience even if you couldn't
hear what I said on TV. Viewers must have wondered what the
funny stuff Philp wouldn't let them hear was about. Philp
said he had wondered how long it would take for him to lose
control of the debate, it wasn't long. Right, something
escaped his control which made people laugh. Of course, his
Rogers viewers didn't get it. Back to the media panel:

Q4: Lee: Present council didn't do much. Are you
disappointed with lack of progress.

JCT: Friel agreed, Hancock disagreed.

Turmel: I agree with their grand visions of what they want
and they're all limited by insufficient funds. That's the
difference. I can make the money go farther. Many years ago,
your grandparents could help rebuild a barn, help build a
road, they could build a bridge, and they got paid with tax
credits for their work. So you didn't have to pay your taxes
only with cash, you could pay with work, with labor. You
could have kids shoveling the snow if you don't have adults
to do it. You could have all sorts of municipal work-bee
projects paid with tax credit notes, Brantford Bucks, that
we could then use to pay our taxes. So using social
currency, even for small amounts, 10% of everyone's salary,
would make the federal cash go farther. And that's why
social currencies are spreading around the world, it's in 58
countries, just Google for social currencies and see it to
believe it.

Q5: Persia: How's downtown then and now.

JCT: After his 1-minute attempt to explain, Chris Friel took
his shot at the Rogers organizers. "I don't have enough time
to take about this issue. A minute is just ridiculous."

Turmel: When I first came to town, there were 65 out of 85
stores on downtown Colborne St. that were closed and boarded
up. Not many have opened since then. But in Ithaca New York,
the Ithaca Timebank issues loans to businesses to help them
get going and those community currency loans did help the
businesses get going. So I agree we need all these wonderful
things we could have and I want to deal with coming up with
the money to pay for them. I could tell you I want
everything they want too. But I've got the money, a special
kind of money, that we use in Brantford, but at least it's
better than no money at all.

Q6: Quatrociocchi: Restaurant owner complaining about lack
of parking. Mayor said no parking was understood. I passed.

Q7: Lee: O.P.P. review on grants. Everyone said yes. Mayor
said it worked fine.

Q8: Persia: Taxation too high. Assure no increases?

JCT: Friel bemoaned big city taxes and small-town services.
Need better transparency. Hancock agreed citizens should
know how it's spent.

Turmel: It's not limited resources, it's limited money.
We've got lots of men, materials and tools, just no pay-
checks. As for making sure where the money's going,
I'll pay my tax for army and police to handle strife,
I'll pay my tax for doctors, nurses who protect my life.
I'll pay my tax for all engaged repairing road and sewer,
I'll pay my tax for social servants helping out the poor,
I'll even pay my tax for bureaucrats with no regret.
I only object to paying tax for interest on debt. If you
have a source of interest-free credit, you can back-tax
instead of front-tax. Now they tax you up front and you
worry about whether they spend it right. Imagine if they
borrow,  spend, and then tell you what they spent it on
before they tax at the back. You can only tax at the back
when you have your own social currency bank. If you don't,
you have to tax up front, budget and pray you do it right.
So back-tax is the answer. Front tax is the problem. Social
currency bank is needed.

Q9: Quatrociocchi: Create safe environment? More police?

JCT: Friel added a platoon, almost 40 police between 1999
and 2003 and we need half a platoon more. Hancock in favor
of safety too.

Turmel: Once again, timebank to the rescue. Mike or Chris,
as mayor, signs a bunch of tax credit notes and asks the
police: will you take 10% of your pay in Brantford Bucks. If
you can free up some federal cash, replacing it with
Brantford Bucks, you can now hire more police. That's a
standard way of filling the gap, using Brantford Bucks to
freed up cash. Number two, less crime. If they weren't out
there playing "cops and gardeners" chasing marijuana
growers, slinking around school yards looking for marijuana
smokers, we wouldn't need so many cops. We've got stupid
laws. I would certainly de-fund the narc squad. If they want
to chase marijuana, go out in the bush but stay away from
people in town. Marijuana is a safe herb, a medicinal herb,
and if you want to get your parents and adults off the
bottle and off the chemicals, get them on the herbals. And
if the kids are sick, hit them with a marijuana muffin, no
Ritalin and Prozac.

JCT: There was a big rush of audience bemusement which could
barely be heard by viewers.

Winston Ferguson: I don't remember the questions after
following John's answer. More bemusement made it past Fuhrer
Philp's cut button.

Q10: Lee: Family violence and child abuse.

JCT: Everyone was horrified. Mayor Hancock set up a task
force on domestic violence, an action committee, to achieve
an awareness campaign.

Turmel: Do we really need a committee to raise our
awareness? Is there anyone here unaware of the violence and
abuse going on? We see it in our newspapers full every day?
So why do women and children stick around? Do they enjoy
being punching bags? Why don't they leave?... They've got no
money. They've got no credit at the bank. They're not worthy
of credit, they've have no collateral. Sure, in the Timebank
system, your willingness to work, that's your collateral,
but in today's banking system, willingness to work is worth
nothing. You need a car, a house. And women and children,
with no credit, they've got to take their beatings or go
live in a shelter. I want to give them all interest-free
credits cards. Go stay in a hotel.

JCT: Bucky agreed with more money. Friel said it was an
issue that had to be addressed now. Versus those who want it
addressed later?

Q11: Persia: City's strategic plan, what role publicly
funded recreational centers.

Turmel: Recreational centres happens to be one of the major
uses of social currencies around the world is for paying
volunteers to staff community centres. If you don't have any
money, you let them put in their hours, they register the
hours that the community owes them and then, they can call
on people to come and work for them in exchange. That's how
a timebank works. Instead of the kids cleaning up the river
on a Sunday once a year to get a free hot dog from the
mayor, why doesn't he just register: "Plus 4 hours of work"
on the internet and that becomes currency they can spend all
around the world. All the mayor has to do is sign "thank you
for 4 hours of labor, kid" and he can use that 4-Hour bill
in Europe to stay overnight somewhere. So, have a work-bee,
clean up the river every weekend and pay the kids with these
new kind of currency issues.

Q12: Persia: Any cuts to recreation programs? Everyone
wanted more.

Turmel: Is there a way of finding money for recreational
centres? And that's the limitation they all come up with.
And again, hundreds of years ago, most people would take a
tax credit note from their government to do stuff. Is there
anybody in this room who wouldn't take a $10 tax credit note
from Mike  or Chris if they're mayor?... Anybody think a $10
tax credit note payable for Brantford taxes is worth
nothing?... That they'd say no?.... (No response) All right
boys, are you getting the message? Everybody here realizes
that if you guys sign a tax credit note, we'll work for it.
So instead of having to go find scarce financing at a bank,
let's let these guys sign their own tax credit notes, and we
will work for those notes, as long as we can pay our taxes
with it and everybody in town can pay their taxes with it
too. It worked in the past, it can work again.

Q13: Quatrociocchi: Mr. Hancock, Council has been called
dysfunctional and you've been criticized for your lack of
ability to maintain control. Please comment?

JCT: Is she ever full of nasty questions. Hancock said he
disagreed, Friel said he agreed. I repeated I could do more
because I don't have the financial limitations of the other
guys.

Q14: Lee: Is it worth continuing King & Benton negotiations
for 500 million development, 5000 jobs?

JCT: Everyone said to stop negotiations. Just kidding.
Everyone said they were for continued negotiations to get a
good deal. I parroted Mayor Mike's answer: "Yes, it's got to
be a good deal."

Q15: Persia: Negotiations with county over new land.

JCT: Mayor said the deal was almost done.

Turmel: Wonderful, a deal with Brant over land, some cash.
They're going to do a deal. And the only difference is,
maybe we can talk them into taking a little bit of Brantford
Bucks if we're short. So if they can't do the deal because
they're a little bit short, I might have a way to come up
with a little bit more currency to do the deal. That's the
advantage of having a social currency to fill the gap.
Things that would cause my opponents to fail would not
necessarily make me fail. That's the advantage when you have
a solution to a problem that the other guys don't have. And
since it works all around the world and I haven't had much
time to explain it to you in these tiny "tim-bits" of
information, you have to check it out yourselves. Google for
social currency and timebanks and see what we could be doing
for ourselves.

Q16: Brett (selected audience youngster with question framed
by Jacquie): Mr. Friel, what would you do to prevent
domestic violence and what do you mean by pro-active?

JCT: That's on the agenda, for sure, because it was asked
once before. Oh well, why not do the same question twice.
Friel explained that help was now reactive, after the
beatings, and we need to go ahead of that and not be
reacting all the time. Violent people must be dealt with
before they're allowed to harm somebody. Hancock explained
the committee is pro-active, with 8 programs, the biggest
one being raising awareness.

Turmel: Nothing can help short of giving them a way of
escape. I've explained the last time the same question was
asked: Why would they stick around and take their beatings
and abuse? And I pointed out the only reason they stuck
around to take their abuse is that they don't have any way
of escaping. If they had credit at a bank, or a sugar daddy,
or a rich uncle, so that the family could go rent an
apartment, new furniture, get set up to go back to school,
then you wouldn't need all these committees to discuss what
must be done for this horrible problem. So give them a
method of escape, give them the money to escape and the
abusers had better wise up or the families are going to be
gone.

Q17: Peggy (audience question read by Philp): What is your
plan to address the displaced youth and lower-income
residents of the downtown core?

JCT: I should have said "Greetings to the displaced youth
and lower-income residents of the downtown core, is how I
would I would address them. Framed properly, it must have
meant addressing the needs of poor people in the downtown,
as opposed to poor people in the outskirts.

Turmel: Okay, you take all the unemployed youth in town and
sign them up to the Brantford Timebank and you give them all
a bunch of empty checks and say: go out and find any retired
old person, anybody at all, and ask them if you can do
something useful for them: run an errand, walk their dog,
clean the street, commit to pick up the gum, the garbage,
and the dog shit on Main Street. Do anything good and get
some oldster to sign: "Thank you for 1 Hour of labor" and
that becomes the money. So you could have a whole army of
youth out there looking for oldsters, retired people, to
sign these "Thank You" notes and these "Thank You" notes
become the money. As opposed to just sitting there and
saying "something must be done," like these other guys with
no money, I'm pointing out how a Brantford Timebank would
allow every youth to sign up, register the labor he does,
and that becomes money all around the world.

Philp: Mr. Turmel, I would remind you that this is being
broadcast into people's living rooms and I think we need to
be careful with the language that we use.

Q18: Quatrociocchi: King & Benton are going to need a $20
million subsidy to set up and isn't it a precedent?

JCT: Everyone said negotiations should continue on ways to
dispense with development charges, etc.

Turmel: Very often, we do do deals with corporations to
offer them tax benefits to come to our community, right?
Well, how about we give them the $20 million in tax-credit
notes in $10 bills that they can pay directly to their
employees who will spend them back in our community rather
than have the money leave town? At 5000 employees, $20
million is 4000 a head. Surely they can take half of it at
least in tax credit notes instead of cash. Why empty our
bank account? It they're going to spend it in our community,
why can't we fund their development with our own community
currency, like they did in Ithaca New York. There's no
reason we couldn't give them tax credit relief, except,
let's give it to them in small pieces of paper that they can
pay their employees with and they'll spend it back in our
community, in our businesses.

Q19: Lee: Mayor Hancock led way to lobby for Hwy 424. How
important is it?

JCT: Hancock said "very." Friel said "very very."

Turmel: Similarly, just like tax credits could be used to
fund recreation centres, to fund police, to fund firemen, to
fund hospitals, we can also fund road construction using a
certain percentage in community currency instead of cash
thus freeing up that federal cash for other reasons. So, if
it's undoable with the financial limitations faced by my
competitors here, I don't have those same limitations
because I'll set up a Timebank which will allow us to do it
for cheaper cash, get more for our money basically, by using
our own Brantford Bucks. So yes, same situation applies to
the underfunding of the roads that applies to the
underfunding of everything else we've mentioned tonight and
a Brantford timebank will solve that underfunding problem in
exactly the same way it solved all the other underfunding
problems we've mentioned tonight.

Q20: John Baldwin (selected audience question framed by
Jacquie): To Hancock and Friel, raw sewage is going into a
stream and no one's checking it out.

JCT: Everyone said that it should be fixed by government.

Turmel: Yes, we know how effective they were at Walkerton.
It's the same lack of cash all the time which doesn't allow
them to pay for maximum people to do the job, right? Lack of
cash again? Underfunding again? Inability to do it right
because there weren't enough people were hired to do it
right. Now, if they can't even come out and check it, again,
it's got to be a shortage of manpower. They certainly aren't
over-staffed and not coming to check you out. So, once
again, the solution to the underfunding problem is to come
up with more funding which I know how to do.

Winston Ferguson: I agree with John.

Q21: Chuck (selected audience question): When you each had
an opportunity to debate each other at the Kiwanis debate,
would you share with us some of the high-lights of your
opening statements?

Hancock: Thank you except that while I was at a Kiwanis
debate today, I was by myself, for whatever reason...
Turmel: We weren't invited.
Hancock: I was able to speak to them about... and then a
very stimulating question period.

Turmel: When the election was announced, this was the press
(showing large front page story) and it said "John Turmel is
running too." And then after the big debate at the Rotary
Club, there was the big article (showing large article) and
it said "John Turmel put forth his ideas.' Another article
is coverage of the candidates (showing Marion column) but
not a word about John Turmel's ideas. So if you want to know
what's going you, you can't find it here and you can't find
it in the Expositor. They won't even invite us to a debate!
Imagine that. Only the mayor got invited to the Kiwanis
debate. I didn't get invited. So if you want to know what's
going on with my campaign, you have to go to Yahoogroups,
Brantford. There you'll find Brantford information from all
the people without David Judd censoring what you're going to
read. So don't expect to get the whole truth out of the
Expositor, please, but it is available online, you've just
got to dig it up, don't expect service from your daily
newspaper.

Friel: As for the Kiwanis situation, I believe it's that
this week, it's a presentation by the mayor and next week is
my presentation and we have an have an opportunity to
discuss after that.
Turmel: And I don't get one.
Friel: Sorry John but I don't know if you were invited or
not.
Turmel: It's your Kiwanis Club.
Friel: I'm not a Kiwanian....

JCT: Good for him. I'd be ashamed to be.

Philp: I need to address all of the candidates. While
another candidate is speaking, please remain a respectful
silence so that everybody can have an opportunity to express
their opinions.

JCT: My interchange wasn't disrespectful to Mr. Friel, it
was disrespectful to Fuhrer Philp's Formal Format. No
interchange between candidates allowed in a Rogers debate.
As if I care that he doesn't recognize the whom to which my
disrespect is addressed.

Q22: Persia: Funding for an adult day program for elderly.
How will we guarantee funding?

Turmel: If you Google for Timedollars, you'll find out that
the Timedollar system in the States originally really
expanded when volunteer organizations at retirement homes
started registering their hours and then old people would
start reading to each other, earning hours doing stuff,
helping with the care of other patients which reduced the
cost of their care. So Timedollars allowed some retired
people to earn hours of care from the group by working,
instead of needing cash. So, again, it allows a situation
where the elderly can actually help each other do something
useful for each other and get credit for doing it without
having to be paid in cash which the government has in short
supply. So if you read the wonderful stories about
timebanking in the States, it's mainly about oldsters who
join a timebank, help each other out and make their..

JCT: "lives better." Fuhrer Philp often cut off last 1
second of a sentence. So he's so concerned with cutting me
off that he has no time to follow what is being said if he
doesn't see the end of the sentence two words away. A
moderator with zero tolerance for an extra second ruins the
show.

Ferguson: I agree with everything you say John, except the
Timebank.

Q23: Craig: (audience member) Mayor Hancock, why not full
disclosure on OPP investigation?

Hancock: It's a police review, they'll tell us when. I
passed.

Q24: Quatrociocchi: It's said mayor has laid-back style,
full time, and Friel appears aggressive, not 9-5 style. What
effect would this have on the new council? (always having
trouble reading 'her' questions)

JCT: Friel said he's calmed down and Hancock said he had
passion and wasn't so laid-back.

Turmel: Well, he may not be laid back but I am. And he may
be aggressive but I'm not. (some laughing) You can expect a
nice calm reasonable explanation of how funding with
timebanks seems to solve all our underfunding problems and I
just don't think I'm going to have all many problems to
spend very much time to be worrying about so I too won't
have to do a full-time job, I hope.

Q25: Ashley: (selected lady) How to improve transit service?

Turmel: The Calgary transit system accepts Calgary
Greendollars for people who want to use their social
currency to ride the buses in Calgary. And in Argentina and
other countries, they use social currencies in their
communities too. It's one of the uses of community currency.
Pay your taxes and ride your buses with the same Brantford
Bucks. But what I've always wanted and someday I will see is
100% subsidized public transit so that it's free to the
riders. We have to maximize ridership and we have to
minimize the use of automobiles and the best way to affect
our environment by cutting back on cars is free public
transit. It can be done if we finance it with social
currency, community currency, it can't be done in any other
way. But, getting people out of their cars onto a better bus
system is the only solution to saving ourselves and you
can't do it unless you use some community currency,
Brantford Bucks, to fill the gap.

Q26: Lee: Cat licensing by-law to regulate cats.

JCT: I had no real answer so when the mayor ended his answer
that it should be looked at carefully...

Turmel: I agree. It should be looked at carefully.

Q27: Persia: senior programs outside usual health care.

JCT: Hancock explained Ontario's the only place where health
costs have been down-loaded to municipalities.

Turmel: I do my share, I play my accordion, do concerts, at
Amber Lea, John Noble, Riverview, Hardy Terrace, St. Joe's,
Six Nations, yeah, I'm the guy playing the accordion, vote
for me, (waving into camera). And I wish I could get credit
for my time. I'd love to be able to continue volunteering
and getting credit for my time. Then I could spend it. So I
want to start a timebank so I don't have to volunteer any
more. So the hours I give to the community, someday when I'm
old, someone's going to come and serve me back. So I don't
mind earning hours, I just want them credited somewhere, and
I'm sure someday, I'll be able to spend them back in the
same way. So anyway, you oldsters out there, I'll get you an
interest-free credit card and all your health woes will be
gone.

Final statements

Turmel: Obviously, you're not going to hear about me in your
local press and if you want to know more about what you can
do with a timebank and how it could solve your problems,
you're going to have to go online, probably to the Brantford
Yahoogroups and see there what's being offered. I've
explained this twice now for several hours to my opponents
and I'm hoping that they're catching on, how every time they
couldn't offer a solution, they could just say "I'm
concerned, I'd like to do something," I got up and said:
"see how they would have done it in the past with tax
credits and work bees and ways they used to do it then. Why
can't we do it now." Well, if I don't get elected, at least
these guys who will will have heard of a possible solution
to our underfunding problems. Then I'll be able to bug them
and say: "why don't we do it too." And if they don't, then
I'll be able to say, just like Tim who has heard me in three
straight election debates, Tim never caught on.

JCT: That got a few laughs. Expositor report and some
reaction next. Anyway, I've got to make an issue of getting
rid of Philp and Rogers running the debates.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

JCT: My earlier report detailed the Rogers debate. This is
the only comment on the show so far:

>Brantford Expositor
>Letter to the editor,
>Nov 2 2006
>Brian Woodley, RR1 St.George

BW: Let your heart decide your vote
I caught most of the city's mayoral candidates debate on
cable TV Oct 26. I found it very enlightening, delighting,
and exciting.

JCT: Weren't Mike Hancock, Chris Friel and Winston Ferguson
the same three candidates in 2003? I wonder what made it so
"enlightening, delighting, and exciting" this time?

BW: Sure beats conventional TV. It was quite surreal and an
unreal reality show.

JCT: What made a municipal debate so surreal an unreal
reality show that could be termed "enlightening, delighting,
and exciting?"

BW: But from my perspective, I perceived it as a battle
between poor and rich or a conflict between the downtrodden
and the fortunate.

JCT: Who representing the poor and who the rich?

BW: Maybe when we vote this time, let not your intellect be
your guide, but why not vote with your heart?

JCT: Sadly, intellect is rarely the guide. Many voters are
committed to their friend or party color regardless of what
an opponent may be offering but most are gamblers trying to
pick the winner. . 2% or 3% are trying to vote for the best.
Needless to say, votes to pick the best are usually
overwhelmed by votes to pick the probable winner.

BW: Sometimes things aren't what they appear and your tax
dollars soon disappear. The main thing a community needs is
unity. Wealth and stealth collaborate. So let your heart
concentrate.
Brian Woodley, RR1 St.George

JCT: Still, why can't heart and brain agree? Regardless,
Brian found it "enlightening, delighting, and exciting."

How did the Expositor find it:

Expositor Oct 27 2006
Past and present mayors battle it out
By Michael Allan Marion

JCT: Marion reported on how this election is about the
former mayors' leadership style.

"Turmel spent much of the debate promoting different ways to
finance community endeavours."

JCT: That's it. Nothing on the actual different ways to
finance community endeavours. Marion certainly didn't find
it "enlightening, delighting, and exciting."

Just a little more on Tim-bit Brain's article;

Expositor Oct 30 2006
The contenders ward by ward
Tim Philp

JCT: For Ward 5, looks at the "two main challengers. As for
the other candidates in ward 5, Adam King, Duanne Leeallen
and Russell King, little needs to be said."

JCT: What a pig. Same swill as Judd, same trough as Judd.
Imagine doing a book report and leaving out half, then
telling the teacher: little needs be said about the rest. As
if Philp has some kind of claim to intellectual integrity.
All this shows is that he can't handle more than Tiny Tim-
bits of information and only about people he's known for
years. Forget about Tim-bit brain looking at new people.
"Little needs to be said" when you haven't done your
homework.

Anyway, somethings' going to have to be done about the
garbage coming out Rogers and Expositor troughs. To leave
moderating municipal debates under control of such an
intellectual pygmy is an insult to democracy. Let's see if
we can't get rid of him and his Tim-bit brained crew before
the next elections come around.

Besides, if you go to the Expositor site and search for
Chris Friel and their search engine comes up with nothing!

And their editorial page still advertises:

>Ontario Press Council
>The Expositor is a member of the Ontario Press Council,
which considers complaints against member newspapers.

JCT: What a joke. They don't say they can ignore any
complaints in which case the Council does nothing. But it
sure gives the impression that there is some recourse to bad
journalism. It's false. When I complained, the O.P.C.
refused to consider my complaint against their member
newspaper when Judd refused to respond. I had included a
tape of the meeting to prove Judd and Marion had mis-
reported what I had said. So the OPC does not "consider
complaints against member newspapers" when member newspapers
refuse to defend their injustices because they can't.

Anyway, if the Expositor didn't find that it was an
"enlightening, delighting, and exciting" show, I guess it
wasn't the usual cast of characters who made it so.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

JCT: http://www.historybites.com plays on the Comedy Channel
Expressview 625 and is one of the funniest best-researched
peeks at history from a futuristic TV newsroom angle and
ranks right up there with the "Yes Minister" series for its
precise portrayal of political and historical truth. It is
one great series.

I was watching Episode 80

Goodnight Good Knights TEMPLARS 1307 AD

"A group who have dedicated themselves to charity and
Christian works are suddenly accused of the vilest crimes
imaginable. These crusading Christians known as the Knights
Templar are rounded up by French authorities, and tortured
into confessions. It's an unholy crusade against some holy
crusaders, presented by Bill Kurtis on Medieval Justice.
Other parodies include Ed Sullivan, The Weakest Link, and
Furniture On The Mend.
Written by:
Danny DiTata, Jeremy Winkels, Rick Green

Starring:
Ron Pardo, Janet Van De Graaff, Bob Bainborough, Teresa
Pavlinek, Duncan McKenzie, Rick Green

JCT: What an incredibly talented cast of players!!!

The best part is the setting of the play, Bill Kurtis
hosting an "American Justice" show as the Templars are
tortured into confessing.

Amerika no longer abides by the Geneva Prisoner of War
conventions. Nothing hard to do. James Bacque's "Other
Losses" detailed how General Eisenhower starved over 1
million German Prisoners of War to death by changing their
status from "P.O.W." who are entitled to Geneva Convention
protection to "D.E.F." Disarmed Enemy Forces, not entitled
to Geneva Convention protection and cutting their rations
until they starved to death! One change in status and we're
all incarceratable and eliminatable. Liquidatable?

What's funny about Americans thinking it's okay because the
torturing is going to be done to bad guys is they didn't notice
that in the fine print is not only "doing terrorism" but
"supporting terrorism." In a possible thousand ways. For
instance, Bush has already argued that buying marijuana
provides funding for terrorists. A whole new class of people
he can make disappear without trial forever (with death
penalty at his disposal, at least in Stalin's days, they got
trials). Your mosque once hosted someone who later
kamikazeed the invaders of whatever land Amerika happens to
be in occupation of at that particular time, and your mosque
can be targeted as "supporting terrorism" and your support
for your mosque can be targeted as "supporting terrorism
too." So another convenient group the Bush-whackers may wish
to oppress. Librarians who did not obey the Patriot Act have
certainly abetted the terrorists and when martial law comes
to Amerika, they'll be the early ones in the FEMA
concentration camps I've heard them building over the past
25 years. I wanted to joke, why not use those empty FEMA
civilian internment camps for Katrina refugees?

The standard Bush canard is: What if the guy won't tell
where he's hidden a nuclear bomb, wouldn't you torture? To
say okay, only in the case of imminent mass destruction,
they say "terrorism is such a threat so torture is
acceptable." So Amerikans buy torturing terrorists without
realizing almost anyone can now be declared a terrorist
supporter. It's not only aliens made vulnerable to legal
disappearance down the Amerikan Gulag Hole. It's not just
Arabs who resist Amerikan dictatorship who can be
disappeared like Mayer Arar almost was, it's also Canadians
(like Mayer Arar was) and Europeans and everyone. The Bush
Dictatorship has declared war on anyone who resists its
inherent goodness. Amerika Good ergo Resistance Bad?

So, probably protesting at an army base will soon be called
"supporting the terrorists." Pacifism will be termed
"supporting the terrorists." Dictatorships have always used
the "You're with us or you're against us and we attack you,"
just like they used, we just found out, on Pakistan to help
their posse chase after framing the Taliban 911.

I'm glad to see the legitimate Taliban coming back into
government as the Nato invaders are convinced to leave
rather the U.S.-supported CIA opium-lords. Yet, most farmers
only growing poppies because there are no markets for any
other agricultural products. But they could grow some pretty
good cannabis marijuana and they certainly had a good
reputation for hash in days of my youth though I'm sure the
prices won't be so high once prohibition of cannabis has
been abolished.

The world has never had such a clear-cut Nuremberg case to
prosecute. The falsehoods of the leaders inducing their
forces to invade the wrong guys are on videotape for history
to view. Nothing but censuring these perpetrators of this
last, best, televised, crime against humanity can be our
duty to posterity. Hugo said it best. You don't deal with
the devil. I will for the rest of my life applaud any
efforts to bring the liars who caused the killings of
innocent millions by innocent soldiers guilty of obeying
orders in the 911 Frame-up wars.

Anyway, watch for this episode 80 "Goodnight Good Knights
TEMPLARS 1307 AD" if you ever want to see the arguments of
the torturers parodied to shame.

If you live in the Amerikan Gulag, this video could help
scare people into seeing the looming danger before the very
last of their right to individualism is gone.

This the second time I cite History Bites. Once posted:

>"Father of Dentistry Pierre Fauchard used Urine!
>JCT: I've attested many times to the greatest cure I ever
enjoyed, a miracle according to orthodox dentistry. I had a
root canal infection and was told there had to be an
operation. No way to cure it. Yet, I swished for only 2 days
with miracle water and cured it avoiding a $1000 operation.

>I was watching one of the greatest Canadian shows called
History Bites produced by Rick Green and one of the skits
had the Father of Dentistry Pierre Fauchard touting his
dental cure made up of urine. Of course, that would seem
funny to most, unlike me who cured an uncurable root canal
in only 2 days miracle water, so I Googled for "Pierre
Fauchard" and got:
http://www.fauchard.org/publications/remembrance.htm
Pierre Fauchard, father of Modern Dentistry
Who is Pierre Fauchard ?
A Remembrance by Monsieur Jean Claude de Vaux

JCT: Anyway, Rick Green has created a series he can be
really proud of. This one presents torture brilliantly.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

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Levi Philos

JCT: It didn't start all that well when Friel, Hancock and I
were in the staff room and teacher-organizer Geoff Goodall
warned that he'd seen the Rogers debate on Thursday night
and was not pleased at the personal attack on the city's
editor. I figured he was talking about me but I didn't
defend my base conclusion, "David Judd, you're a pig." But
when he continued to warn against foul language, I asked him
if he meant me saying "dog shit" instead of "doggy-do." He
couldn't point out anything else so I just bemoaned "shit"
being called "foul language."

Students from several other high schools had been invited,
including some from Brantford Collegiate Institute which
just happened to make the news last Saturday:

>Five charged in drug bust near BCI brantford
>Date: Saturday, October 28, 2006 @ 01:00
>Brantford Expositor

>Five people, including three 17-year-olds, were arrested
Thursday after selling drugs to undercover police officers
near Brantford Collegiate Institute. "We will not tolerate
drug dealing in our community. When our street crimes unit
heard about drugs being sold near a high school, they jumped
right on it," acting Insp. Geoff Nelson said Friday. "They
initiated an investigation right away."

JCT: Drug dealing! Oh no.

>Police seized some cocaine and marijuana following the
arrests. Earlier, officers in the street crimes unit
arranged to buy some drugs after hearing reports of dealing
going on near the school. A man met an undercover officer to
complete the transaction and was subsequently arrested. He
was found with 0.5 grams of crack cocaine. Police then
arranged to purchase drugs a second time. This time, two
youths showed up to complete the transaction and were
arrested. The older teen had seven grams of marijuana while
a younger youth had 6.3 grams of marijuana. Police continued
investigating and found two other teenagers involved in drug
dealing. One of the youths had 26.2 grams of marijuana; both
were subsequently arrested.

JCT: Brantford is now safer from these threats. The serious
threat of a dozen joints from one criminal and almost a
whole ounce of danger from the other have been averted.

>William Smith, 21, of Palace Street is charged with breach
of probation and possession of a controlled substance
(cocaine) for the purposes of trafficking and possession of
proceeds of crime (cash).

Joshua Brown, 19, of Palace Street, is charged with
possession of proceeds of crime (cash) and possession of a
controlled substance for the purpose of trafficking.
Also charged are: a 17-year-old with possession for the
purposes of trafficking and breach of probation; a second
17-year-old with breach of probation, three counts of
trafficking, one count of possession for the purposes of
trafficking and possession of proceeds of crime; a third 17-
year-old with breach of probation and three counts of
trafficking and one count of possession of proceeds of
crime.

JCT: How much court crime to be dealt with?

>breach of probation
>possession for the purposes of trafficking
>possession of proceeds of crime (cash).
>breach of probation;
>possession of proceeds of crime (cash)
>possession for the purpose of trafficking.
>possession for the purposes of trafficking
>breach of probation,
>three counts of trafficking,
>one count of possession for the purposes of trafficking
>possession of proceeds of crime;
>breach of probation and
>three counts of trafficking and
>one count of possession of proceeds of crime.

JCT: Wow, all that crime or the courts to deal out of an
ounce of pot. Har har har har. Notice 4 out 5 were out on
bail already! Real winner crime prevention.

So I decided to save timebanking for questions and explained
the marijuana pitch to the students. They loved it. Of
course. I explained that laughing grass felt good because
growing new brain cells feels good. Drink alcohol and
tomorrow's hangover is because you destroyed brain cells.
Grow new ones and it feels good. So I told them to spread
the word to the BCI kids who were busted I could help them.

And then, I explained how the LETS software worked. Michael
Allan Marion came in late so  he missed the marijuana
speech. In my closing remarks, I pointed him out to the
crowd, then pointed out how the Expositor reports were
biased toward the major two and almost nothing on the
technical one. What to expect from a guy whose greatest
claim to technical fame is passing Tape Recorder 101. That
got a huge laugh. Hope Marion enjoys being laughed at
because it's his fate every time I catch the low-tech scribe
in the audience.

After the meeting, I was sitting on the edge of the stage
with the Brantford Timebank flyer on one side and the
marijuana flyer on the other. The teacher, Goodall, who had
insisted on putting me in my place before the debate came up
to me and asked that I not pass out the marijuana flyer. The
Timebank flyer, sure. I refused. I wasn't going to let these
voters get away without one of them. I stepped away to get
something out of my case and when I got back, he had picked
up my marijuana flyers.

I calmly sat down, reached over and yanked them out of his
hands and started offering them to students who were
surrounding me saying: Be bold, read what they don't want
you to read. Read the banned flyer. Many kids did. The
teacher asked me to leave. I told him no. I wasn't so get
out of here and leave me alone. He rushed off to get the
principal. When he showed up, he too said they didn't want
any pro-drug material offered and I told him I wasn't going
to be censored. He asked me to leave and I told him: Call a
cop. I'm not leaving. And don't touch me or I'll charge you
with assault. All the while bemoaning: imagine trying to
censor my paper. He departed the scene, whether to call a
cop or not, I don't know but I did not tarry. It's always
funny to see cops rushing in as I'm exiting. Then the
callers have to explain what I did to necessitate their
help. Har har har har.

Goodall followed me out to the door. I asked him how it felt
to run into an immovable object? He said it showed the
weakness of democracy and wished him a fun time explaining
to his adult voting students why he should be censoring what
they get to read.

I was followed outside to the main drag by several students
and before long, there were 40 or 50. A couple helped answer
their friends' questions before I could. One kid saw it as a
labour exchange. A Local Employment-Trading System, a
labour exchange? Yes. They didn't seem to have the same
problem of failing to see the benefits of a Brantford
timebank account like their beaten- and dumbed-down parents.

Did the altercation over the attempt to censor the marijuana
flyer make the news? Har har har har.

>Brantford Expositor
>Students grill mayoral candidates
>By Michael-Allan Marion, expositor staff
>Date: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 @ 01:00

MAM: About 200 students from three city high schools got
their chance to hear starkly different presentations and
styles from Mayor Mike Hancock and predecessor Chris Friel
in a city mayoral debate at Pauline Johnson College on
Monday.

Brantford College Institute, St. John's College and PJ
students filled the cafeteria to hear Hancock defend his and
the current council's record of "dynamic" achievement with a
burgeoning economy, a "completely successful" series of
downtown revitalization projects and the growth of a
university campus. "Brantford is a city with incredible
promise. I see a prosperous, proud, dynamic city," he told
students, while asking any who can vote to give him another
term to carry on in serving the public of a city he has
loved since he arrived in the mid-1980s.

Friel exhorted the youthful audience to recognize their
hidden power as young citizens craving change. "You have
more power than you think," he told them. "You should at
every opportunity always exercise your franchise and vote,"
he continued. "We need to start listening to what you have
to say. You have the power to tell us what you think and and
we have the power to use the resources of the municipality
to work for you."

A third candidate, John Turmel, preached the virtues of
using social currency to finance public projects, and a
volunteer time banking system that he said students could
take advantage of by volunteering time in public service in
return for credits they could use later on trips and other
desires.

Winston Ferguson, the fourth candidate in the race, did not
participate.

At the end, the debate's two student moderators, Ali Thomson
and Emily Vandermeulen, both 17-year-old PJ students, said
they and their peers were the better for the experience.
Although the two can't vote in the Nov. 13 municipal
election, "we heard things we should be thinking about when
we're of the age to vote," said Vandermeulen. "It provides
good insight for the years to come," said Thomson.

Note
Marion interviewed the students who can't vote instead of
those who can!

MAM: The candidates answered questions on the state of
downtown revitalization, brownfields, the prospect of a
city-county deal on boundary adjustments, whether the mayor
should have cancelled a rally at a local public facility
concerning frustration over the continuing native occupation
of a housing project site in Caledonia, relations with Six
Nations and cleaning up Mohawk Lake and Mohawk Park.

Hancock insisted he made the right decision "in the
interests of public safety' in refusing to let Richmond Hill
agitator Gary McHale and his wife hold a rally at the Lions
Park arena about three weeks ago. "Have you seen his
website? It's pretty scary," he said. "I will always err on
the side of safety." Friel said he would have let McHale
have his rally. Although he didn't support any of the
comments on the website, he said he didn't think they were
scary, and preferred to let people exercise their right to
free speech.

JCT: So did Turmel.

MAM: He said the rally and other manifestations of protest
spoke to frustration over a long-standing problem, which he
blamed on previous and current governments that won't
negotiate land claims and settle legitimate native issues.

Hancock said the current council has made great progress in
cleaning up the city's 15 brownfield sites and looks forward
to the them no longer being a city issue by the end of the
next term of council.

Friel said progress has taken longer than it needed, due to
time-consuming studies and meetings that aren't bringing the
province to the table. "We're not going to wait for the
province to come in," if he's elected mayor, he said. The
reality is," he added, 'that not all of these brownfields
are as polluted as believed."

Both Friel and Hancock agreed it's important to clean up
Mohawk Lake.

JCT: I wanted to clean it up too

MAM: "We're going to have the opportunity when the federal
government gives the $12 million they promised to give,"
Hancock said of the grant for the cleanup of the Greenwich-
Mohawk brownfield area, which is right beside the lake.
Hancock defended council's record of dispensing $8 million
in downtown grants and the civic square to generate a total
$45 million in new investment.

Friel repeated his oft-made criticism that virtually all of
the grant money has gone to large projects and major
investors. "People who want $50,000 or so for a project
can't get it. All the money is going to the big ones."

JCT: And I said nobody would need grants, corporate charity,
if they had interest-free credit at the banks.

One interesting thing was that Chris Friel told the kids to
listen carefully to what I was saying. Though he didn't
agree with everything, he did agree with lots. You can bet
the scribe didn't like it being pointed out that the stuff
he couldn't keep up with had merit.

And of course, he came in late to miss the part about
marijuana so he didn't know why the marijuana flyer was such
an issue. So he didn't report it. Sad to think people's
information has to be dumbed-down to the level of the
dumbed-down scribe.

As for Fuhrer Philp saying marijuana was not a municipal
issue, Ottawa Mayor Bon Chiarelli raised it:

>Mayor targets 'high' schools, Wants more cops in schools to
weed out 'rampant' pot
>OTTAWA SUN
>By JORGE BARRERA,

JB: Mayor Bob Chiarelli says there's a drug epidemic in city
schools and he wants more cops policing pushers and stoned
students. Up to 60% of Ottawa students are getting high on
pot during the school day, Chiarelli said yesterday as he
unveiled a plan designed to attack drug pushers in the
hallways and playgrounds.

JCT: And still passing their grades. That's the real truth.
Better stop whatever it is they're doing that's not hurting
their grades.

JB: "There is a rampant problem of drugs in our schools,"
said Chiarelli, who has been badly trailing mayoral
candidates Larry O'Brien and frontrunner Alex Munter in the
polls.

JCT: Bob's desperate. Given he was the Liberal campaign
manager in my very first election in 1979, Bob heard about
social currency and hasn't caught on longer than any other
politician in the world. Unfortunately, Alex is another who
never caught on to how social currency works.

JB: Chiarelli promised to ask the Ottawa Police Services
Board to deploy 13 more officers to act as school resource
officers. This would increase the ratio of officers in
schools to one for every 10 schools, up from one for every
15 schools. The mayor said the additional officers would
come from the 180 new police hires expected over the next
two years.

JCT: Need lots of municipal funding to prevent what's not
hurting their grades. Guess not everyone agrees with Fuhrer
Philp that marijuana is not a municipal issue since it uses
up municipal funds. Oh well, Philp isn't the sharpest tack
in the box.

JB: 'HAVEN FOR DRUGS?
Chiarelli said principals and vice-principals have told him
that 40-60% of the student body could be smoking pot in the
course of the school day. The mayor said he was told by a
vice-principal at a Barrhaven school that 45-55% of students
were "doing drugs every day." Ottawa-Carleton District
School Board trustee David Moen said district staff have
never mentioned anything about a drug epidemic in the city's
schools. "It is news to me that students are using that rate
during the school day," said Moen, trustee for Innes, Beacon
Hill-Cyrville. "We are always concerned by inappropriate
drug use, but we have no information that there is a massive
use rate."

JCT: You'd think so much "drug" use would have hurt their
grades, right? Maybe learning high isn't so bad at all?

JB: When pressed on his pot-smoking data, Chiarelli referred
reporters to background documents. The documents make no
mention of school-based drug use in Ottawa. Documents did
cite Statistics Canada data that said the rate of youth drug
offences had dropped over the past three years, including a
12% decrease last year for pot-related offenses.
OFFENCES UP
StatsCan did find that offences related to harder drugs had
increased. Health Canada data said that one-third of youth
aged 15-24 had used pot at some point in their lives. Ottawa
police data showed a 2% increase in drug-related calls last
year.

JCT: 33% used pot once and Bob says 60% use pot daily. Must
be really desperate. Next he'll be warning of weapons of
mass destruction being built in shop class.

>Chiarelli Crackdown Will Saddle 60% Of Our Future Workforce
With Pot Convictions
>OCTOBER 25, 2006
>NATIONAL CAPITAL REFORMERS SAY THAT'S BAD FOR BUSINESS, BOB
>Russell Barth & Christine Lowe 613-248-9190 kegan@...

RB: It happened with Light Rail, and now it's happening with
drug policy: with incumbent mayoral candidate Bob Chiarelli,
there seems to be an issue with the numbers. But this time,
the stakes are higher: the human resources of the economic
future of Ottawa. According to Chiarelli, school officials
are reporting to him that 60% of their youth are daily
marijuana users yet according to the 2005 Ontario Student
Drug Use and Health Survey, only about 18.1% of students use
marijuana every day. Interestingly, courts have ruled that
smell alone is not a standard of proof for indicating
marijuana use, which is likely what led these school
officials to their wild overestimates.
Still, Chiarelli wants to hire more police to catch youth
smoking pot and give them criminal records.

JCT: Like our expert law enforcement in Brantford.
Unfortunately, Fuhrer Philp says it's not a municipal issue
and didn't allow any questions on his staged Rogers debate
where all questions were from the media panel or pre-
screened. Censorship of the issue is just as effective as
censorship of the speaker.

RB: "Since a lot of our government, defense contracting, and
high-tech industries need people with reliable background
checks, Chiarelli's crackdown might cripple some of our
future leaders because they just happened to be caught,"
said Russell Barth, who holds a federal medical marijuana
licence. "Most Canadians want marijuana legalized and don't
buy the police and political rhetoric attached to the drug,"
continued Barth. "Meantime, the mayor wants to perpetuate
this policy. That's bad for business and that's bad for
Ottawa, Bob."
"Chiarelli's goal is noble." Said Barth's wife, Christine
Lowe, also a licence holder who uses cannabis to manage
epilepsy. "One should not be introducing pot, caffeine,
alcohol, sugar, or any drug into a brain chemistry system
that has not yet finished developing.

JCT: Hey, marijuana is good for the brain says a U. of
Saskatchewan study last year.

RB: Also, it is simply disrespectful to teachers. However, I
think Chiarelli is being reactionary - reacting to an
existing problem rather than trying to prevent a newer
bigger one," said Lowe. "With Chiarelli's right-wing-
sounding crime rhetoric, he is also trying to steal the so-
called Tim Horton's vote from Larry O'Brien, and
differentiate himself from Alex Munter, who may be perceived
as progressive on the issue."

"Increased enforcement will likely foster even more
resentment towards authority, making more kids do more
drugs, or even drop out of school entirely. What is really
needed - and has been lacking for decades - is a
straightforward, honest drug education program, free of all
the hyperbole and fear-mongering of standard "drug
education" programs." said Barth.

JCT: Since they're lying about marijuana, maybe they're also
lying about heroine?

RB: Ottawa doesn't need more police to enforce our failed
pot laws. It needs a new approach to drug education that is
health based, not punitive. More doctors, less cops.

National Capital Reformers are a collective of independent
community members dedicated to highlighting options and
alternatives in the municipal and federal drug policy
debate.

JCT: Anyway, despite Tiny Tim-bit thinking, marijuana is a
municipal issue even if I'm the only candidate challenging
Fuhrer Philp's censorship of the topic.



--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

10 tips for creating wealth in the stock market  1. Do not spread your money
too thin.

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different Mutual funds. In my opinion, 27 Mutual funds is 27 too many collecting
load fees, management fees, commission fees, operating and advertising fees.
Diversity is important, but just as important is over-diversification. Also, in
my opinion, $200,000 should not be put into more than 12 stocks, let alone 27
different Mutual funds.

  
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JCT: Tuesday are my last two chances to explain how a
Brantford Timebank would work. The Brantford Kiwanis Club
are doing interviews with each of the "two" favored
candidates they know but have not taken on any new ideas.
Kiwanians are usually oldsters without much of a feel for
democracy, after all, most of their lives, they've never
looked at all the candidates' ideas before and there's no
reason for old dogs to learn new tricks now. Kiwanis
Democracy goes on.

And the Brantford Expositor is interviewing each of the
candidates they know so well. And Saturday, they had two
articles in a page and a half.

>Brantford Expositor
>Mayor candidates in re-match
>Race again shows dramatic contrast in styles
>Date: Saturday, November 04, 2006 @ 01:00
>By Michael Allan Marion, Expositor Staff

MAM: Brantford is being treated to an electoral rematch in
the 2006 race between Mayor Mike Hancock and predecessor
Chris Friel that shows more than ever a dramatic contrast in
styles.

Listen carefully, though, to the two repeat the 2003 clash
that had a 15-year councillor best a nine-year mayor by 15
votes, and you'll not hear much difference in each
candidate's vision of the city's future. As the race
approaches the home stretch, the differences are more
articulated in the intermittent criticisms that each makes
of the other's actions and decisions while in the mayor's
chair.

At 64, Hancock is sticking to the undramatic, quiet,
capable, steady-as-she-goes, consensus-building style of
management that saw him through the 2003 race. For the past
three years he has used that style to preside over a
disputatious council marked by a strong divergence in
viewpoints, and put together the building blocks of a deal
to bring a Ferrero plant to Brantford. In successive all-
candidates debates during the past three weeks Hancock has
characterized his style as an effective combination of
vision, leadership and the ability to get people with
divergent opinions to work together toward a common goal. He
says his style is a good complement to a politically potent
council that he presents as "vibrant" and "the best I've
served with" in his 18 years in politics. Together, Hancock
says, they have assisted a huge expansion in the Laurier
Brantford-Mohawk College-Nipissing University downtown
campus, written a new community strategic plan and started a
review of two-dozen city services to make them better. He
also credits the "dynamic" relationship with achieving the
full-flowering of the downtown grants program with several
new apartment buildings and businesses, taking the civic
square project to the brink of construction, and cleaning up
many brownfield sites. All of these matters, he says, are
creating the better Brantford of tomorrow.

Friel is presenting himself as a sort of Back To The Future,
visionary candidate with a more complex political character.
The charming, eloquent politician spent most of his stint in
office overcoming the "boy mayor" moniker given him when he
was first elected at 27 in 1994. He had to wait until the
third term for his "visionary," assertive, "populist"
approach to allow him to accomplish the beginnings of
Laurier Brantford and the downtown revitalization effort.
Now he is asking the voters to believe he is an "older,
wiser" leader who, at 39, has learned "life lessons" during
his three years in enforced private life. Make no mistake,
Friel assures everyone, he'll still be the 'unorthodox
mayor" he's always called himself. He'll be just as brash,
he further assures, but owing to his older, wiser ways, he
will probably be less combative with councillors and others
who disagree with him. Friel says he wants to return to
office partly to rescue the downtown renaissance effort
which he contends has strayed from the program's original
intentions, and he wants to speed up the redevelopment of
brownfields that he says is proceeding too slowly. This
time, though, he says he will be known as an "environmental
mayor," closely examining policies and decisions for their
impact on "the "air we breathe, the water we drink and the
ground we walk on."

Many of those themes were evident in separate wide-ranging
interviews that a panel of Expositor reporters and editors
held with Hancock and Friel this week.

JCT: Presenting the whole picture to the Brantford
community, the David Judd way.

MAM: On Tuesday, Hancock sat in the board room in much the
same manner he did in a similar encounter three years ago.
Nothing in front of him but a sheet of quick cue notes that
he rarely referred to during the next hour. He was grilled
on his handling of the $2-million civic square project which
has been delayed through prolonged disputes on council
during the previous six months. The wrangling culminated in
a 6-5 vote against proceeding with a tender that would take
the project $455,000 over budget, followed by a decision to
retender the site preparation and construction in two
phases. That meant that a signature project of his term
would not be finished by December as planned, but would have
to wait till spring with completion in the autumn  about 10
months behind schedule. Hancock said he was disappointed at
the outcome, but refused to say it demonstrated a failure of
leadership in bringing council together. He said it is
important to understand the political environment around
council and the factors of the situation. "With this
council, every serious vote has been 6-5," he offered, "and
it wasn't supposed to be on the agenda for a council meeting
that day." He was on a "working holiday" in Europe at the
time as a goodwill ambassador with the Paris and Port Dover
Pipe Band, he explained, when his office informed him by
Blackberry that the vote was coming. He said he flew back a
day early from Europe, put in calls to councillors and made
his pitch at the meeting, but came up a vote short. "How can
you say it was a failure?" he responded to one questioner.
"I tried as hard as I could to get six votes. I did my
best."

Hancock also said some councillors were confused by the
issues and he knows at least one voted the wrong way. "The
money that might be saved wasn't important at that stage,"
he said. "It was about living up to a commitment to people
in the downtown. "Ninety-nine per cent of the time I have
won these close votes. This one didn't happen."

When Friel appeared before the panel the next day, he was
asked to account for his three years out of office that he
says taught him "life lessons" and gave him more wisdom. He
recounted his time at three different employment pursuits in
the past three years: a first foray at consulting for
planning and development projects that he said was never
"seriously" followed; a stint as manager of an economic
development program at the Native Affairs Secretariat until
the department was restructured and his job eliminated; and
as a manager at Wurth Industries, a new subsidiary of an
American service supply operation that set up shop in the
area. That job came to an abrupt end with a severance
package, less than two weeks before Friel filed his papers
on the last day of nominations to run for mayor.
"Unfortunately, as much as I tried, fasteners just didn't do
it for me," he said. "It was more my decision to go." He
said he had actually pondered running for mayor again about
a year before, but couldn't pursue it.

In the middle of it all, Friel recounted how he also had to
deal with a grave, life-threatening illness suffered by his
wife, Wendy Farrant, that rendered her paralyzed for several
days and required several months of extensive recovery. He
said the heart-wrenching time changed him personally in many
ways.

Also in the mayoral race are Winston Ferguson and John
Turmel, a perennial candidate in local municipal, provincial
and federal races who preaches the virtues of social capital
and volunteer credit approaches to financing.

JCT: Another in-depth report from Michael Allan "Tape
Recorder 101 wasn't so hard" Marion. He may hear the virtues
of social financing but can't explain it. Someday,
journalism students will study this kind of biased coverage
in their "what not to do" course.

And another big article titled:

>Candidates have contrasting styles

JCT: First headline was "Race again shows dramatic contrast
in styles" and now "Candidates have contrasting styles."
Such diversity of investigation! When you are low-tech
reporters who can't handle high-tech substance, what else
can Judd and Marion do their interviews on but style.
---

>Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 22:52:00 +0000
>From: wldlfe57@... (wldlfe57)
>Subject: [Brantford] turmel
>To: brantford@yahoogroups.com

John Turmel for Mayor... of Afghanistan
And he can take Friel with him.

JCT: I wouldn't want to be the mayor of the town of
Afghanistan though I'd bet wldlfe couldn't find it on a map.

>Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:30:43 -0500
>From: iggabod@... (". - Lori - .")
>Subject: Re: [Brantford] turmel
>To: brantford@yahoogroups.com

> John Turmel for Mayor ... of Afghanistan
> And he can take Friel with him.

rofl!

JCT: I didn't think it was that funny enough to be "Rolling
On Floor Laughing" but if that's your sense of humor.

I know some voters may prefer to have low-tech reporters
dumb-down their information for them but for those who do
not, here are the last two meetings where all candidates
have been invited to present their ideas, a discourse the
politically-challenged voter may not appreciate.

Tuesday Nov 7
9am-10am
Laurier University Odeon Bldg. 50 Market St. Brantford

6pm-9pm
St. Gabriel School, Flanders & Shellard Lane. Unfortunately,
it's not listed under schools in the yellow pages so there
is no address. It's a 10-minute opening statement! No one's
dumb-down to the Tim Philp level with tiny Tim-bits of
information.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

JCT: All right Brantford voters. Right now, there are only
two candidates, me and Green Adam King who can promise to
set up a Timebank. If Brantford Council were to set up a
Brantford Timebank, here is a list of different online
softwares being touted around the world.

Take a surf to see how they work and let's discuss which we
should install at http://www.timebankbrantford.com
It now just points to my home page.

>PIPEX
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:17:30 +0100
From: ashq87@... (Pipex)
Subject: Re: [ijccr] Turmel: Looking for currency softwares
To: TURMEL@... ("John C. Turmel")
Hi John, This is the UK System i developed for 100% local
currency (4,000 hrs) and used now by 12 groups in UK...
Developed by New Moray LETS - The UK's largest LETS system -
Cumulative turnover = 31,000,000 LETS = UK pounds
Zero balance, no defaulters, expanding exchange limits,
really easy to use does all admin efficiently.

JCT: How nice to hear. No defaulters. Most people just can't
imagine a system which deters cheats from even trying. Zero!
Even the poor have the integrity to want to return the time
they owe for time received! Every bum who'd stiff you for
$50 won't stiff you for a morning's help.

The LETSAM (LETS System Administration Manager)
http://www.cxn.org.uk/letsam/index.htm
Upwards and onwards, Stewart Noble
Stewart@...
Community Exchange Network http//www.cxn.org.uk
60 Woodside Drive, Forres, Moray. IV36 2UF
Tel: (01309) 676128 Mobile: (07966) 019544
(Please save this, my only e-mail address and delete all others)
Virus checked with Symantec Norton Antivirus updated daily
----- Original Message -----
From: John C. Turmel
To: ijccr@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: [ijccr] Turmel: Looking for currency softwares

I'm upgrading the list of LETS softwares at my home page and would
appreciate a note from anyone citing the home page of such software
so I can provide a maximized list.
---

WILBY
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:24:51 -0300
From: "Chris wilby" <wilby_chris@...>
Subject: Re: Timedollar software
Hi Bill, I have an online database driven LETS based system
that might fit your needs, it supports grouping of users.
The flexible pay structure is a monthly user membership fee
based on the systems monetary units (green dollars,
barterbucks, friendly favours...).... so there is no upfront
fees.
I am currently working on the system documentation, which
should be completed within a month. If you would like to
discuss this further, and get more information on all the
system features..... feel free to agive me a call or drop me
an email Thanks,  Chris Wilby 506-457-9193
---

GEEKCREDIT
From: Alexander Komarov <toor@...>
Hi! Here is just another p2p complementary currency
software: http://home.gna.org/geekcredit

It can be used to create a community currency if users have
PCs. Permanent internet connection is not required, e-mail
or instant messenger can be used for payments.
The software is alpha, it has all the features, a minimal
GUI (all options are available in command line only). It was
not widely tested (about ~200 downloads so far), but I am
not aware about any serious bugs now.
The design goal was simplicity and minimalism. This is just
a digital version of the WAT exchange system
( http://www.watsystems.net ) from Japan.
It does not require a central server for processing
transactions, but for larger scale operation it does require
a server for information on frauds and ratings.
I would highly appreciate any comments and suggestions.
Alexander.
---

WAT from Japan.
( http://www.watsystems.net )
---

TIMEDOLLAR
>From: Timedollar@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 21:34:47 +0000
>From: kathy-oc@...
>Subject: Re: New Time Dollar Software?
We have a web-based software. I am not on the schedule to
demo it, but would be happy to, if asked. Kathy
time-exchange network http://www.time-exchange.net Denver,CO
---

CYCLOS
>Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 17:11:50 -0000
>From: "Hugo van der Zee" <hugo_van_der_zee@...>
>Subject: Software
Hello, We have published community currency software
(Cyclos) for testing. People that are interested can
register and login at: http://cyclos.momomo.org/cyclos
I will need to activate the accounts before you can log in.
I am doing this daily. For bug reporting you can register
and login at http://bugtracker.momomo.org
(Before bug reporting please read the explanation on the
main page of the bugtracker)
The software can be configured through settings like initial
credit, credit limit, taxes and fees like demurrage and
transaction tax, contributions etc.
Because of this the software can support various models as:
multiple credit (let) system, barter system, a system where
Units are backed with conventional money and combinations of
these models.
We have scheduled various test periods and in august the
software will be published open source. After that we will
continue on software that will interconnect separate systems
(with multiple currencies) and we will work on stronger
security.
More information about the software project can be found at
http://cyclos.momomo.org/project/index.html
---

WEBLETS
>Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 21:18:45 -0500
>From: <martin_settle@...>
>Subject: Re: Re: LETS Software
Ottawa LETS created a LETS software system when we were
struggling with QLETS.
Our system was a web-based program that uses PHP and MySQL,
so you need to have a server running both of those programs
(most Linux systems have them preinstalled), and if you want
the most out of the program, an internet connection.
WebLETS (our program) has a script to transfer QLets
accounts to WebLETS (balance, account info, and trade totals
only).
It also allows users to input trades and advertisements
themselves. We used it in Ottawa for two years with very
few issues (most of which related to the computer know-how
of our members).
WebLETS is available as Open Source software from
http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/weblets
There aren't too many directions online, although there is a
set up script that will work if you correct the missing 'T'
in one of the initial files (details on the website).  Once
it is set up it is fairly easy to use, and mostly self-
explanatory.
If you have any specific questions you can e-mail me, but as
I am currently in the middle of a move to England, I may be
slow in replying.
Martin Settle
---

LETS on SQL Ledger
>Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:06:30 -0700
>From: Todd Boyle <tboyle@...>
>Subject: LETS on SQL Ledger
As you can see, SQL Ledger remains active. Certainly it is
more active and has more users than any other accounting
system running in a browser.
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=sql-
ledger-users
Take the test drive.   http://www.sql-ledger.org/
As you can see it handles goods inventory etc. It is a real
system. obviously- -a community could be supported on this,
having mutual payables and receivables on the server and
being able to actually maintain their books, all in a single
integrated system. Todd
---

SQUIRES
>Date: Mon,  4 Apr 2005 10:56:32 -0400
>From: Eric Harris-Braun <eric@...>
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Nuts and Bolts of LETS Development
Les Squires has a very good wiki site operational that
already has lots of work in the arena going on:  Check it
out at: http://ccit.wji.com
---

GOGO
>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:43:54 -0700
>From: silviog@... (Hans Eisenkolb)
>Subject: Re: You are invited to preregister with Green
my name is Hans Eisenkolb and I am the inventor of the
Gogos, an usuryfree cash system . You can read about it here
under Gogo English http://www.gogo-regios.com/ and also in
my forum here: http://www.gogo-regios.com/forum/
There are already a few initiatives with such a money
started in Germany. The first one last March in Giessen
Germany and six much larger ones will start this year. It
could even be more because nearly every week I hear from new
ones. Basically Gogos under different names in different
towns are given out by participating business people as
merchandise tokens, backed by their merchandise and held at
a stable purchasing power. This is possible by a small user
fee of 5% for all year. Depending on the speed of turnover
of these tokens it will amount to near nothing for each
sale. Greetings Hans
---

FRIENDLY FAVORS
http://www.favors.org

SANE
http://www.ces.org.za/index.asp

CCLITE
Subject: [ijccr] Digest Number 1114
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 17:13:09 -0000
From: "Hugh Barnard" <hughbarnardlists@...>
Subject: Just to introduce myself
Hi I'm a non-academic alt-money enthusiast and software
developer. I'm part of a group that meets in Limehouse Town
Hall in the East End of London (next one 7pm 18th August,
ask me if you want more details..).
I'm also slowly developing a Perl LETS and alt-money package
called cclite:
http://hughbarnard.org/index.cgi?name=cclite.html which now
has a draft manual at: http://hughbarnard.org/cclite/
I'm also a member of Richard Kay's list at:
http://copsewood.net/mailman/listinfo/mrsdev which has
bursts of useful activity and is software-oriented.
Hope that's not too boring, I'm an anorak I LIKE many
apparently boring things.. Best regards Hugh

YACUB
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:58:07 -0700
From: yacinfo@... (ernie yacub)
Subject: Re: [ijccr] Turmel: Looking for currency softwares
To: TURMEL@... ("John C. Turmel")
On Saturday 21 May 2005 10:55, you wrote:
> I'm upgrading the list of LETS softwares at my home page
> and would appreciate a note from anyone citing the home
> page of such software so I can provide a maximized list.

demo soon to be ready for primetime at
http://om.neurd.net/tiki-index.php
---

More:
http://www.complementarycurrency.org/software.html

Cyclos http://project.cyclos.org
Timekeeper for Time Dollar
http://www.timekeeper.org/timekeeper/index.html
Ripple http://ripple.sourceforge.net/
Open Money http://www.openmoney.org/go/cc.html
CCLite http://hughbarnard.org/index.cgi?name=cclite.html
XO Barter software http://www.barter-software.com/
Local Exchange http://sourceforge.net/projects/local-
exchange/
BCI barter software http://www.barter-software.net/
iWAT http://www.media-art-online.org/iwat/
more about WAT
http://home.debitel.net/user/RMittelstaedt/Money/watto-e.htm
uniLETIM http://uniletim.sourceforge.net/
Ecomoney http://www.ecomoney.co.uk/
DualCurrency Systems http://www.dualcurrency.com/
Geek credit http://home.gna.org/geekcredit/
PyLETS http://copsewood.net/py_lets_cgi/index.html
Greetings, Sjaak Adriaanse, Tekst & Uitleg tel. (+31) (0)165 546 557



--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

THE 1640 HABEAS CORPUS ACT - 143,537.00 US $ penalties
for Judges who breach Magna Carta and deny us our
Right to Trial by Jury

Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Why A BOND ? Financial Control of Judges

EXCELLENT POINT what the hell is the BOND FOR EXACTLY
!!!!

jhwilson <jhwilson@...> wrote:

     Dear Fellow Australians and Brother Americans,

     Corrupt and treacherous Judges are destroying the
Nation....as Thomas Jefferson warned they would.  Our
ancestors have shown us how to control these evil
creatures when the Star Chamber was abolished in 1640.

     About 10 years ago, Denis Troy sent me an 8-page
fax that included a copy of the 1640 Habeas Corpus
Act. Last week, when I tried to get a new photocopy of
this legislation from "The Statutes at Larges of
England and of Great Britain...in Ten Volumes", it was
strangely missing from the shelves of the NSW State
Library...but a librarian did find find another source
of it which I have (hopefully) made more legible and
have attached to this email.

     This Act lays down the penalties for Judges who
breach Magna Carta and deny us our Right to Trial by
Jury.  When Denis sent his fax in 1998, I phoned the
Reserve Bank of Australia to find out what "One
Thousand Pounds of lawful Money of England unto the
Party grieved" would convert to in Australian dollars
and the helpful young chap phoned me back to say that
it would be $143,537-00. Today, you can add still
further inflation to that.

     Yesterday, Arthur Cristian phoned me to say Glenn
Mulhall and he wanted to pull the evil Judges down by
exposing them as "corporations" because they have
A.C.N.s (Australian Company Numbers) with Liablity
Insurance. Glenn suggested that a principal insurance
company carrying them would be Lloyds of London and
that, by suing the Judges, the insurance companies
would drop the Judges as clients...which would leave
them without Liability Insurance (in the USA,
apparently it is called a "Bond" which all Judges must
put up when they take the Oath of Office) and remove
them from our Courts.

     Here is a section of the 1640 Habeas Corpus Act
that comes after the monetary fines imposed on the
guilty Judges:-  "...and shall be thereof duly
convicted by indictment information or any other
lawful way or means that such person so convicted
shall be from thenceforth disabled and become by
virtue of this Act incapable ipso facto to bear his
and their said office and offices respectively and
shall be likewise disabled to make any gift grant
conveyance or other disposition of any his lands
tenements hereditaments goods or chattels or to take
any benefit of any gift conveyance or legacy to his
own use.".

     The way the evil Judges are operating in our
Courts is to have the Sheriff's Officers physically
overpower anyone who tries to perform a Citizen's
Arrest on them. The use of the provisions of the 1640
Habeas Corpus Act is a little less direct than
twisting the creature's arm behind his/her back and
marching him/her off to the local Police Station, but
will hopefully be as effective as it was when the Star
Chamber had "by experience been found to be an
intolerable burden to the subjects, and the means to
introduce an arbitrary power and government And
forasmuch as the council table hath of late times
assumed unto it self a power to intermeddle in civil
causes and matters only of private interest between
party and party and have adventured to determine of
the estates and liberties of the subject contrary to
the law of the land and the rights and privileges of
the subject by which great and manifold mischiefs and
inconveniences have arisen and happened and much
uncertainty by means of such proceedings hath been
conceived concerning men’s rights and estates For
settling whereof and preventing the like in time to
come".

     Thomas Jefferson called them "venal" and the "germ
of destruction of our nation. Let's get rid of them.










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[16 Chas. 1. c.10] Star Chamber - Habeas Corpus [A.D.
1640]

16 CHARLES 1. A.D. 1640.

CHAPTER X.

An Act for the Regulating of the Privy Council and for
taking away the Court commonly called the Star
Chamber.

WHEREAS by the Great Charter many times confirmed in
Parliament it is enacted that no freeman shall be
taken or imprisoned or dispossessed of his freehold or
liberties or free customs or be outlawed or exiled or
otherwise destroyed and that the King will not pass
upon him or condemn him but by lawful judgment of his
peers or by the law of the land and by another Statute
made in the fifth year of the reign of King Edward the
Third it is enacted that no man shall be attached by
any accusation nor forejudged of life or limb nor his
lands tenements goods or chattels seized into the
Kings hands against the form of the Great Charter and
the law of the land and by another Statute made in the
five and twentieth year of the reign of the same King
Edward the Third it is accorded assented and
established that none shall be taken by petition or
suggestion made to the King or to his council unless
it be by indictment or presentment of good and lawful
people of the same neighbourhood where such deeds be
done in due manner or by process, made by writ
original at the common law and that none be put out of
his franchise or freehold unless he be duly brought in
to answer and forejudged of the same by the course of
the law and if any thing be done against the same it
shall be redressed and holden for none and by another
Statute made in the eight and twentieth year of the
reign of the same King Edward the Third it is amongst
other things enacted that no man of what estate or
condition soever he be shall be put out of his lands
or tenements nor taken nor imprisoned nor disinherited
without being brought in to answer by due process of
law and by another Statute made in the two and
fortieth year of the reign of the said King Edward the
Third it is enacted that no man be put to answer
without presentment before justices or matter of
record or by due process and original according to the
old law of the land and if anything be done to the
contrary it shall be void in law and holden for error
and by another Statute made in the six and thirtieth
year of the same King Edward the Third it is amongst
other things enacted that all pleas which shall be
pleaded in any courts before any the Kings justices or
in his other places or before any of his other
ministers or in the courts and places of any other
lords within the realm shall be entered and enrolled
in Latin. And whereas by the Statute made in the third
year of King Henry the Seventh power is given to the
chancellor the lord treasurer of England for the time
being and the keeper of the Kings privy seal or two of
them calling unto them a bishop and a lord of the
Kings most honourable council and the two chief
justices of the Kings Bench and Common Pleas for the
time being or other two justices in their absence to
proceed as in that Act is expressed for the punishment
of some particular offences therein mentioned and by
the Statute made in the one and twentieth year of King
Henry the Eighth the president of the council is
associated to join with the lord chancellor and other
judges in the said statute of the third of Henry the
Seventh mentioned But the said judges have not kept
themselves to the points limited by the said statute
but have undertaken to punish where no law doth
warrant and to make decrees for things having no such
authority and to inflict heavier punishments then by
any law is warranted. And forasmuch as all matters
examinable or determinable before the said judges or
in the court commonly called the Star Chamber may have
their proper remedy and redress and their due
punishment and correction by the common law of the
land and in the ordinary course of justice elsewhere

2. And forasmuch as the reasons and motives inducing
the erection and continuance of that court do now
cease and the proceedings censures and decrees of that
court have by experience been found to be an
intolerable burden to the subjects, and the means to
introduce an arbitrary power and government And
forasmuch as the council table hath of late times
assumed unto it self a power to intermeddle in civil,
causes and matters only of private interest between
party and party and have adventured to determine of
the estates and liberties of the subject contrary to
the law of the land and the rights and privileges of
the subject by which great and manifold mischiefs and
inconveniences have arisen and happened and much
uncertainty by means of such proceedings hath been
conceived concerning men's rights and estates For
settling whereof and preventing the like in time to
come.

3. Be it ordained and enacted by the authority of this
present Parliament that the said court commonly called
the Star Chamber and all jurisdiction power and
authority belonging unto or exercised in the same
court or by any the judges officers or ministers
thereof be from the first day of August in the year of
our Lord God one thousand six hundred forty and one
clearly and absolutely dissolved taken away and
determined and that from the said first day of August
neither the lord chancellor or keeper of the great
seal of England the lord treasurer of England the
keeper of the Kings privy seal or president of the
council nor any bishop temporal lord privy councillor
or judge or justice whatsoever shall have any power or
authority to hear examine or determine any matter or
thing whatsoever in the said court commonly called the
Star Chamber or to make pronounce or deliver any
judgement sentence order or decree or to doe any
judicial or

ministerial act in the said court and that all and
every Act and Acts of Parliament and all and every
article clause and sentence in them and every of them
by which any jurisdiction power or authority is given
limited or appointed unto the said court commonly
called the Star Chamber or unto all or any the judges
officers or ministers thereof or for any proceedings
to be had or made in the said court or for any matter
or thing to be drawn into question examined or
determined there shall for so much as concerneth the
said Court of Star Chamber and the power and authority
thereby given unto it be from the said first day of
August repealed and absolutely revoked and made void.

4. AND ... that the like jurisdiction now used and
exercised in the court before the president and
council in the marches of Wales and also in the court
before the president and council established in the
northern parts and also in the court commonly called
the Court of the Duchy of Lancaster held before the
chancellor and council of the court and also in the
Court of Exchequer of the county palatine of Chester
held before the chamberlain and council of that court
the like jurisdiction being exercised there shall from
the said first day of August one thousand six hundred
forty and one be also repealed and absolutely revoked
and made void any law prescription custom or usage or
the said statute made in the third year of King Henry
the Seventh or the statute made the one and twentieth
of Henry the Eighth or an Act or Acts of Parliament
heretofore had or made to the contrary thereof in any
wise notwithstanding And that from henceforth no court
council or place of judicature shall be erected
ordained constituted or appointed within this realm of
England or dominion of Wales which shall have use or
exercise the same or the like jurisdiction as is or
hath been used practised or exercised in the said
Court of Star Chamber.]

5. BE it likewise declared and enacted by authority of
this present Parliament that neither his Majesty nor
his privy council have or ought to have any
jurisdiction  power or authority by English bill
petition articles libel or any other arbitrary way
whatsoever to examine or draw into question determine
or dispose of the lands tenements hereditaments goods
or chattels of any the subjects of this kingdom, but
that the same ought to be tried and determined in the
ordinary courts of justice and by the ordinary course
of the law.

6. AND . . . that if any lord chancellor or keeper of
the great seal of England lord treasurer keeper of the
Kings privy seal, president of the council bishop
temporal lord privy councillor judge or justice
whatsoever shall offend or doe any thing contrary to
the purport time intent and meaning of this law [then
he or they shall for such offence forfeit the sum of
five hundred pounds of lawful money of England unto
any party grieved his executors or administrators who
shall really prosecute for the same and first obtain
judgement thereupon to be recorded in any court of
record at Westminster by action of debt bill plaint or
information wherein no essoin protection wager of law
aid prayer privilege injunction or order of  restraint
shall be in any wise prayed granted or allowed nor any
more than one imparlance and if any person against
whom any  such judgement or recovery shall be had as
aforesaid shall after  such judgement or recovery
offend again in the same then he or they for such
offence shall forfeit the sum of one thousand pounds
of lawful money of England unto any party grieved his
executors or administrators who shall really prosecute
for the same and first obtain judgement thereupon to
be recorded in  any court of record at Westminster by
action of debt bill plaint or information in which no
essoin protection wager of law aid prayer privilege
injunction or order of restraint shall be in any wise
prayed granted or allowed nor any more than one im
parlance and if any person against whom any such
second judgement or recovery shall be had as aforesaid
shall after such  judgement or recovery offend again
in the same kind] and shall be thereof duly convicted
by indictment information or any other lawful way or
means that such person so convicted shall be from
thenceforth disabled and become by virtue of  this Act
incapable ipso facto to bear his and their said office
and offices respectively and shall be likewise
disabled to make  any gift grant conveyance or other
disposition of any his lands  tenements hereditaments
goods or chattels or to take any benefit of any gift
conveyance or legacy to his own use.

7. AND every person so offending shall likewise
forfeit and loose unto the party grieved by any thing
done contrary to the true intent and meaning of this
law his treble damages which he shall sustain and be
put unto by means or occasion of any such act or thing
done the same to be recovered in any of his Majesties
courts of record at Westminster by action of debt bill
plaint or information wherein no essoin protection
wages of law aid prayer privilege injunction or order
of restraint shall be in any wise prayed granted, or
allowed nor any more then one imparlance.

8. AND . . . if any person shall hereafter be
committed restrained of his liberty or suffer
imprisonment [by the order or decree of any such Court
of Star Chamber or other court aforesaid now or at any
time hereafter having or pretending to have the same
or like jurisdiction power or authority to commit or
imprison as aforesaid or by the command or warrant of
the Kings Majesty his heirs or successors in their own
person or by the command or warrant of the council
board or of any of the lords or others of his
Majesties privy council] that in every such case every
person so committed restrained of his liberty or
suffering imprisonment upon demand or motion made by
his council or other employed by him for that purpose
unto the judges of the Court of Kings Bench or Common
Pleas in open court, shall without delay upon any
pretence whatsoever for the ordinary fees usually paid
for the same have forthwith granted unto him a writ of
habeas corpus to be directed generally unto all and
every sheriffs gaoler minister officer or other person
in whose custody the party committed or restrained
shall be [and the sheriffs gaoler minister officer or
other person in whose custody the party so committed
or restrained shall be] shall at the return of the
said writ & according to the command thereof upon due
and convenient notice thereof given unto him [at the
charge of the party who requireth or procureth such
writ and upon security by his own bond given to pay
the charge of carrying back the prisoner if he shall
be remanded by the court to which he shall be brought
as in like cases hath been used such charges of
bringing up and carrying back the prisoner to be
always ordered by the court if any difference shall
arise thereabout] bring or cause to be brought the
body of the said party so committed or restrained unto
and before the judges or justices of the said court
from whence the same writ shall issue in open court
and shall then likewise certify the true cause of such
his detention or imprisonment and thereupon the court
within three court days after such return made and
delivered in open court shall proceed to examine and
determine whether the cause of such commitment
appearing upon the said return be just and legal or
not and shall thereupon do what to justice shall
appertain either by delivering bailing or remanding
the prisoner and if any thing shall be otherwise
wilfully done or omitted to be done by any judge
justice officer or other person aforementioned
contrary to the direction and true meaning hereof that
then such person so offending shall forfeit to the
party grieved his treble damages to be recovered by
such means and in such manner as is formerly in this
Act limited and appointed for the like penalty to be
sued for and recovered.

9. [PROVIDED always . . . that this Act and the
several clauses therein contained shall be taken and
expounded  to extend only to the Court of Star Chamber
and to the said courts holden before the president and
council in the marches  of Wales and before the
president and councell in the northern  parts and also
to the court commonly called the Court of the Duchy of
Lancaster holden before the chancellor and council  of
that court and also in the Court of Exchequer of the
county palatine of Chester held before the chamberlain
and council of that court and to all courts of like
jurisdiction to be hereafter erected ordained
constituted or appointed as aforesaid and to the
warrants and directions of the council board and to
the commitments restraints & imprisonments of any
person or persons made commanded or awarded by the
Kings Majesty his heirs or successors in their own
person or by the lords and others of the privy council
and every one of them.

10. AND . . . no person or persons shall be sued
impleaded molested or troubled for any offence against
this present Act unless the party supposed to have so
offended shall be sued or impleaded for the same
within two years at the most after such time wherein
the said offence shall be committed].







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A warning: this video contains actual footage of a
shark having a fin cut off in gruesome fashion - I
don't believe it's appropriate for children to view.

http://drbenkim.com/blog/2006/11/shark-fin-soup-please-say-no.html

Shark Fin Soup:

Please Say No shark fin soup.

Please take a minute to view the following video that
describes the incredibly cruel practice of pulling
sharks onto a boat, cutting off their fins for the
Asian soup market, and throwing these finless sharks
back into the water to die. A warning: this video
contains actual footage of a shark having a fin cut
off in gruesome fashion - I don't believe it's
appropriate for children to view.

I have a great deal of respect for Yao Ming, an NBA
superstar with the Houston Rockets who has worked
together with WildAid.org to increase public awareness
of this horrific practice.

Why do people do this? For money, of course.

Various Asian populations, particularly the Chinese,
consider shark fin soup to be a delicacy and symbol of
high class. In Hong Kong, one kilogram of genuine
shark fin sells for $700.00 USD, making it the most
expensive variety of seafood that we know of.
In the past, shark fin soup was only served at
extremely special and rare banquets. Today, as China
and other east Asian countries continue to gain
economic strength, many middle class families now
expect to see shark fin soup on the menu at weddings
and company dinners. This has led to a huge demand for
shark fins on the international market.

Why are sharks often thrown back into the water to die
as they float helplessly to the bottom of the ocean?
Because shark meat is considered to be inferior in
quality compared to fish like tuna and swordfish. For
many boat owners, there is no net profit for storing
entire sharks on their boats. Shark fins, on the other
hand, take up very little space and can be dried and
stored for long periods of time.

Although some countries like the United States,
Australia, and Ecuador have banned shark finning, this
practice continues at a rapid pace in and around east
Asian countries. It has been estimated that 100
million sharks are killed for their fins each year.
The busiest shark fin trading centers are located in
Hong Kong, Singapore, and Taiwan.

Until a global ban is achieved, the best that any of
us can do prevent this practice is to tell our
families and friends about the shark finning industry.
As the WildAid.org campaign to end shark finning tells
us, "when the buying stops, the killing can, too."

To help increase public awareness of shark finning,
please consider digging this page by clicking here.

Ben Kim
DrBenKim.com








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JCT: I can understand how some people could be upset at the
dog that brings the fleas. This is what sci.engr looks like:

Articles range from 58940 to 59006:  sci.engr
58940. New forum related to engineering                               Morbius
58941. Re: New forum related to engineering                          "Bosson"
58942. no Gamma Ray Pulsar; no Laser Pulsar are tentative proof o|a_plutonium
58943. TURMEL: Rotary Club mayoral debate badly covered by Judd   John Turmel
58944. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58945. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58946. TURMEL: #2 Ontario Gov. fixing fatal flaw in Toronto Dolla|John Turmel
58947. TURMEL: McAllister credited with Parker invalidation       John Turmel
58948. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58949. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58950. Wood expansion/contraction?                          Everett M. Greene
58951. TURMEL: Venezuela Ministry of Popular Economy Pilots Socia|John Turmel
58952. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58953. Re: TURMEL: Venezuela Ministry of Popular Economy Pi|"David E. Powell"
58954. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58955. Re: Wood expansion/contraction?                        "Tom Sanderson"
58956. TURMEL: Editor Judd's hatchet job smear on Friel continues John Turmel
58957. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58958. P***-Boy Ryan p***ing off sci.engineering group            John Turmel
58959. TURMEL: Brantford poll shows 41% pea-brained and not divin|John Turmel
58960. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58961. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58962. Call for papers: Special Issue on: "Microbia|"macleod.roddy@googlemail
58963. Call for papers: Special Issue on: "Modellin|"macleod.roddy@googlemail
58964. Call for papers: Special Issue on: "Digital |"macleod.roddy@googlemail
58965. Call for papers: Special Issue on: "Modellin|"macleod.roddy@googlemail
58966. Re: The Piss Boy                                         "Jeff Rainer"
58967. TURMEL: General Davies can't deny "we're the bad guys" in  John Turmel
58968. Re: TURMEL: General Davies can't deny "we're the bad guy|"Jeff Rainer"
58969. Re: TURMEL: General Davies can't deny "we're the bad guys" |Dave Smith
58970. Re: TURMEL: General Davies can't deny "we're the bad guys" i|alpha hen
58971. TURMEL: Predicted Argentine financial miracle in 2001      John Turmel
58972. Re: TURMEL: General Davies can't deny "we're the bad|Chip Flintknapper
58973. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58974. TURMEL: Editor Judd's still smearing Friel is bad manners  John Turmel
58975. TURMEL: Peace Prize for Yunus' micro-loansharking to the p|John Turmel
58976. TURMEL: Rogers debate dumbed down to Philp level?          John Turmel
58977. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58978. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58979. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58980. TURMEL: "What inflation isn't" expert rejects what it is   John Turmel
58981. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58982. TURMEL: Rogers TV producers dictate City Hall debate rules John Turmel
58983. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58984. TURMEL: Pro-Gambler's confidence is Engineer's confidence  John Turmel
58985. TURMEL: Krieger wins his medpot case at Supreme Court      John Turmel
58986. TURMEL: "David Judd's a pig" blurted on TV debate          John Turmel
58987. Call for papers: Multidisciplinary Approach |"macleod.roddy@googlemail
58988. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58989. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58990. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58991. Internet Resources Newsletter: November Issu|"macleod.roddy@googlemail
58992. **theory-edge** mailing list                          vznuri@...
58993. TURMEL: Fuhrer Philp controls questions for Rogers debate  John Turmel
58994. Positions Offered - L-3 Communications Sonoma EO (Sant|"Amber O'Brien"
58995. The Piss Boy                                 armeenhussain@...
58996. TURMEL: Rogers debate "enlightening, delighting, and excit|John Turmel
58997. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
58998. TURMEL: History Bites Torturers of American Justice        John Turmel
58999. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
59000. TURMEL: Marijuana a hit at Pauline Johnson H.S. debate     John Turmel
59001. Call for papers: Automotive Product Developm|"macleod.roddy@googlemail
59002. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
59003. TURMEL: Last Brantford mayoral debates Tuesday             John Turmel
59004. TURMEL: Brantford Online Timebank softwares to consider:   John Turmel
59005. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...
59006. The Piss Boy                                        w_b_ryan@...

JCT: Some discussion but William Ryan hogging (fleaing) the
conversation is quite noticeable. Unfortunately, these fleas
were caught at ijccr. Ah well, it's where the action is.



--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

Trimuph of Two Party Religious Politics in the USA

     America's first Republican Party president came to office and his
administration contracted with Philadelphia investment banker Jay
Cooke to merchandise over $2 billion in bonds to the public to
finance the military means to force the sessionist states back into
the federal government. With 620,000 soldiers dead by 1864, Congress
initiated the practice of inscribing the words, "In God We Trust," on
U.S. coins. The Republican Party made sure God was on the federal
government's side.

    After Congress' newly-formed Federal Reserve central bank funded
the two major wars against rival capitalist nations, Congress added
the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, devised in 1895, to the
nation's Flag Code in 1942 during WWII. During the Korean War under
Republican Party president Eisenhower, Congress added the
words, "under God," to the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag and
passed Public Law 155 in 1955 that added the words, "In God We
Trust," to Federal Reserve Notes. Politicians were making God on
their side in America with the bank and Church's help. Then Congress
under Republican Party President Richard Nixon in 1971 severed the
U.S. dollar's tie to a weight of gold, reneging on its promise in the
1944 Bretton Woods Agreement to the 7 industrial nations. Ever since,
American debt has skyrocketed without a just weight and measure
(Deuteronomy 25:15) for states to use for money as mandated in the
U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 10.

     Shortly after the Republican Party Reagan administration took
office during rampant inflation, it appointed a Gold Commission to
investigate the role gold played in the U.S. monetary system. They
decided that the Federal Reserve note money as debt was as good as
gold. Shortly after, Congress passed Public Law 97-280 (96 STAT. 1211
97th Congress) on October 4, 1982, authorizing and requesting the
President to proclaim 1983 as the "Year of the Bible."

     Fearing the loss of American "democracy" in the world to the
terrorists, the Republican Party administration of George W. Bush
successfully capitalized on the civil religion both political parties
with the institutional church had successfully built since Lincoln.
It then borrowed over $300 billion with the loss of over 2500
soldier's lives for an avoidable war to build democracy in Iraq, and
Congress believes that God is on America's side.

     Lincoln said, "This country belongs to the people who inhabit it.
Whenever they grow weary of the existing government, they can
exercise their constitutional right to amend it or their
revolutionary right to dismember and overthrow it."

                             Put Money Back Under Law

On  Monday Nov 6, 2006 7:38 pm "Joseph Toman"
joseph_toman@... wrote:

Why don't you show the innocent shark eating a man
woman or child... What nonsense.

Stan:

When somebody is jumping from a perfectly good air
plane or from the cliff or is going to fight in Iraq;
he/she is taking the risk...similar risk as swimming
in water full of sharks.

I hope, that you are not suggesting killing or
mutilating all sharks to get even for few people who
are taking stupid risks.

Best regards,

Stan








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   Obviously my first question was:
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JCT: Our last Brantford mayoral debates were held yesterday
Tuesday Oct 7. The first was at a 9am class for poli-sci and
journalism students at Laurier University. It was a 3-minute
opening statement and I used The Expositor. They had a big
Election Supplement section with a full page on mayoral
candidates. Almost half the page was on Mike Hancock
including picture, bio and his views, almost half on Chris
Friel with picture, bio and views, picture and short bio on
Winston Ferguson, no views, and picture and blank space for
Turmel! I've never seen such a blatant bias before, even
leaving a blank space to point out they had space but
decided to not use it.

I showed them the previous articles leading up to this final
journalistic corruption pointing out how they never
mentioned my program, a "Brantford Timebank," once. May as
well demonstrate the shoddy journalism while it was current.

Finally, about 50 minutes into the class, with 10 minutes to
go, in swishes Michael Allan Marion, the reporter
responsible for the recent articles ignoring me. From the
podium, I pointed at him as he entered late and snickered to
Hancock how he was going to take a beating.

In my final closing statement, I pointed the guy who came in
50 minutes late as the reporter who couldn't manage to cover
all the candidates and though I originally thought he had
merely been incompetent, there was also the possibility that
he had just come in late and missed my part which explained
the empty space. He had also come in late at our previous
debate at Pauline Johnson High School.

I showed his previous articles from Nov 4 titled: It's a
rematch for mayor; race again shows dramatic contrast in
styles which continued to the other page's "Candidates have
contrasting styles." I pointed out I have no "style" for our
fancy-pants reporter to comment on, only the substance of a
computer program. But what would someone who barely passed
"Tape Recorder 101" know about substance which is why he can
only focus on style. Besides, how much substance can he
report when he comes in 50 minutes late to catch the last 10
minutes of the debate. In-depth coverage, Expositor-style.

Sure, almost no one of the electorate is going to hear what
I said, that's what's so beautiful about censorship in the
press. When it's done, no one gets to read about it.

And Judd's still publishing letters from people who do not
wish to accept Friel's apology for missing the Veteran's Day
parade 3 years ago. Two more today. Full-time swill from
David Judd's full-time full trough.

Sadly, neither candidate would come out in support of a
Brantford Timebank. Although Friel did say he liked the
Brantford Bucks idea, not out loud in time for me to support
him out loud.

He knows I offered either candidate my support if they would
support a Brantford Timebank. I pointed out how, in Ottawa's
mayoralty race, I got over 4000 votes and Bob Chiarelli beat
Peter Clark by only 2000 votes. Hancock beat Friel by 15
votes in 2003, can't be much closer than that. And I'd tell
everyone and change my Vote Turmel sign viewed by 20,000
cars a day to "Turmel voting for Friel" viewed by 20,000
cars a day!!

When Friel made a statement at the high-school that could be
construed as support for a timebank, or for marijuana,
probably the timebank, it re-awakened hope I could pull out.
All I asked him to do if he thought a timebank was a good
idea was, during a meeting, to mention he had done some
research on timebanks, thought it is a good idea, and
promise to set one up too. Then he could urge me to vote for
him because he's got a a better chance to get it done and
I'd have to agree. It could sure have stolen the show.

I usually get around 2% of the vote, the top 2% Mensa crowd,
but as I pointed out in earlier posts, marijuana-, timebank,
gambling-supporters who would never vote for me because I
"can't win" would vote for a major candidate.

Anyway, if Friel loses by 15 votes again, after the
Expositor hatchet job, he'll want to kick himself and I'll
want to help him. I have no ulterior motives. I don't even
want the job of mayor. I just want to set up an interest-
free community currency and move on to bigger installations.

Sadly, I guess he didn't think the people I could bring to
him would exceed those against gambling, herb, and interest-
free loans for all and Friel never said it out loud though
it was witnessed so he's completely ashamed of admitting he
sees some of the uses of social municipal currency. But at
least he said it.

Mike Hancock, though a serious personable person, admitted
he didn't get it. He's got a background in finance so I know
interest-free financing was never taught and goes against
the cognitive dissonance installed in his mental software by
his education. I must sound like a dreamer: Who'd lend money
without any interest?" is what all the realists always have
to get over. "Who will lend money without getting any
interest?" is a truism they cannot shake. That is the reason
the banksters have for so long hidden the source of the
money supply because the answer is: Whoever creates it to
lend, instead of earns it to lend." See
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/bankmath.htm

If you are creating new chips, what right do you have to
interest that a saver does? You did no work to get it like a
saver did. A creator has a a license to manufacture money,
no saving involved. So why should a creator of new Canadian
money be allowed to charge interest like a saver of old
Canadian money? But since almost no one knows someone
creates the money, everyone thinks it operates like a piggy
bank with money having to come into the bank before it can
be lent out, so no one ever thinks to oppose the injustice
of lending out newly-created money at interest by creators
like lending out newly-earned money at interest by savers.
So if you're hypnotized into believing no one should ever
lend money without getting interest, those who get the money
to lend by working and those who get it to lend by printing,
of course, it sounds like I'm dreaming instead of designing.
I've never pulled out or ever offered to pull out to support
another candidate before. So this certainly an extraordinary
circumstance which will certainly go down in the adventures
of John The Engineer.

Finally, a reminder of how a mayor could use LETS small-
denomination municipal bonds or tax credits for use as local
currency:

From http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/pomlizas.htm

A mayor faced with rising costs and shrinking revenues,
To study any proposition, he would not refuse.
"So many think the job of being mayor is such a snap,
But the decisions that I'm faced with are an ugly trap.
With tools, materials and trades that cover total range,
Yet one ingredient is lacking, money to exchange.
If snowstorm hits the city and there are no funds to pay,
What does my council have to do to clear the snow away?

We pledge a million dollar bond to banks to get the cash,
With which we pay the skillful men who clear snow in a
flash.
The merchants gladly take the funds for soon they have to
pay,
The taxes for the snow removal that was done that day.

But though a million principle was spent, we must request,
That citizens be taxed for principle and interest.
To budget who gets scarce resources isn't ever fun,
But interest on city's debt is always number one.

Whatever rate the bankers set is due amount I pay,
Unhappily, which projects live or die's my only say.
But if it's true Greendollars serve as well as Locals tell:
Why shouldn't government be one to try it out as well?

When another snowstorm hits without the funds to pay,
We'll test to see if LETS Greendollars are a better way.
This time we pledge the million bond to Treasury instead,
And see if use of Green will get us very much ahead.

The merchant should accept Greendollars as another way,
His taxes needed for the snow removal, he can pay.
Again we'll spend a million but the tax to be assessed,
Including only principle without the interest.

Before the budget allocations are completely spent,
Could LETS Greendollars help reverse project abandonment?
If council members for their tax took part of pay in Green,
We'd have some cash left over which is something rarely
seen.

If civil service took some Green at least for taxes due,
The extra cash would guarantee that extra jobs ensue.
We'd offer Green to fix a pothole to a company,
Wishing to pay their tax with unemployed capacity.

With Green we'd pay for road repairs and all would gladly
take,
Greendollars from the working men so payment all could make;
And we could build our hospitals and all would take as pay,
Greendollars to buy medicine and service they purvey.

Today, in our society, where money clearly lacks,
Who could refuse some paper anyone may use for tax?
Greendollar paychecks could be earned by all desiring work,
The opportunity to pull their weight so few would shirk.

With Green the unemployed around the world will save the
day,
Without it they will idly sit and die their lives away.
And best of all we'd have the Green to save environment,
A way to pay to save our lives and make us affluent.

The only question left is how the tax should be assessed,
For goods and services? A simple formula to test.
For services, we'd levy tax at end of every year.
For assets, tax to pay depreciation. It's so clear.

I told Chris that if he set set up a Brantford Timebank,
he'd be mayor most of his life unless he moved on to bigger
things. I'm sure that with my huge "Vote Turmel" sign
hanging outside my window right across from the Brantford
Bridge with 20,000 cars going by every day, if I switch to
"Turmel voting for Friel" everyone in the city will know in
no time. I'm sure I could have swung not only Timebank
supporters but marijuana supporters who would never vote for
me (who can't win) but would for someone who can win,
gamblers who would never vote for me (who can't win) but
would for someone who can win.

Sad to think the city would end up not helping set up a
Brantford Timebank.


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

Levi,



Merci mille fois !



I am taking the liberty of copying it herewith to www.timebanks.org
<http://www.timebanks.org/>  as possible background research material
relative to its mission "to create an economy... etc" through the medium
of 'TBUSA'.



david

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JCT: I have just announced my withdrawal from the Brantford
Mayoral race in order to support former mayor Chris Friel
even though he's been smeared by the local press.

This morning, I sent this letter to the editor in response
to Tim Philp's attack on me in the Expositor at the
beginning of the campaign:

Letter to the Expositor
<opinion@...>
Nov 9 2006

Turmel pulling out of mayoral race

In your City Beat column, "Your Guide to the Races," Oct 2
2006, Tim Philp said the mayoral race was "tainted by the
addition of challenger John Turmel who is not so harmless.
Turmel has used his candidacy in the past to tout his
personal crusade for international monetary reform and
marijuana legalisation - issues that have nothing to to with
our municipal election. He does, however, have a right to
run for any office he chooses and the rest of us will just
have to do our best to ignore the noise."

Of course, since marijuana enforcement is municipally
funded, de-funding enforcement is a municipal issue even if
Mr. Philp fails to see the link. The interest-free LETS
(Local Employment-Trading System) timebank software not only
can work internationally as UNILETS but on our municipal
database at the City's web site too.

Since my "Brantford Timebank" community currency program has
not been mentioned in your paper once, since Mayor Hancock
avows he just can't understand how it could work, (like
Canadian Tire money buys in different departments, Brantford
Bucks buy in different stores), and since Chris Friel has
acknowledged in public debate that he does see some
advantages to using local currency to help the local
economy and has proven to be an innovator in the past, I
have no choice but to announce my withdrawal from the
mayoral election and throw my support behind the candidate
who is the better bet to eventually offer Timebank accounts
to Brantford residents.

In 63 election races, I have never before withdrawn but
you'll soon see a first on my building, a sign saying
"Turmel says vote Friel"


JCT: Of course, journalistic ethics mandate that they print
my defence to Philp's attack but when did being fair ever
matter to editor David Judd? Especially if it helps the guy
Judd's trying to smear.

If he doesn't publish my defence before Monday, I'll
complain to the Ontario Press Council so they can fail in
their mandate to oversee journalistic fairness like they
failed to adjudicate my last complaint against Judd because
Judd refused to defend when I sent in audio tapes to prove
the errors in the article Judd refused to correct.

Let's see if torpedoing Friel is important enough to sit on
the story that Turmel's pulling to support Friel, our best
bet to get City Hall's web site to offer LETS Timebank
services to Brantford residents, me included.



--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

"Banking was conceived in iniquity, and was born in
sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from
them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and
with the flick of the pen, they will create enough
deposits, to buy it back again..."- Josiah Stamp

"The  Primer of Money" by Wright Patman

http://www.devvy.com/pdf/2006_October/Patman_Primer_on_Money.pdf


On page 31:

Patman:

"How did the goldsmiths get into the banking business?

...Anyone having possession of receipt was supposed to
be able to go to the goldsmith and claim the gold.
What actually happened was that these receipts for
gold began circulating as money. People learned that
they could carry on trade and commerce by passing
goldsmith’s receipts from hand to hand without ever
drawing out the gold..."

Stan:

So far, so good...and suddenly?

Patman:

"...This led the goldsmith to a discovery which has
been the principal of banking ever since – “fractional
reserves."..."

Stan:

Well, well...let’s see on what kind of "principal"
those "discovery" was.

Patman:


"...What is the "fractional reserve" method of
banking?

Few people who held the goldsmith’s receipts came in
to claim their gold. As the goldsmiths realized this,
they also realized that they could make loans of the
gold which had been left in their safekeeping. That
is, they could write out receipts for gold to
borrowers who, in fact, were not depositing new gold
but borrowing the ownership of gold already in the
goldsmith’s possession..."

Stan:

Har, har, har…what a clever professional
criminals...they just loan something that they didn’t
have.

The best part of it is "they also realize".

It is "diluting" the seriousness of the fraud by
blaming it on "few people"...who did the same crime.

Patman:

"...This gold – actually the certificates of ownership
– being loaned by the goldsmith was not his to lend.
He did not own it. But so long as the calls for gold
by the original depositors were so infrequent, the
goldsmith felt he could lend without undue risk and
earn interest on a certain portion of the deposited
gold..."

Stan:

HAR, HAR, HAR…WHAT A CROOK...He did not own it? But he
did not give it for free.

What usury did bankster ancestors charged and what
about seniority of those fraudulently issued
certificates?


The conclution:

Goldsmiths do not discover any "principle"...they
simply become CRIMINALS!!!

The fractional reserve developed from criminal acts of
goldsmiths.

The question is why some money gurus do not admit that
banking business developed from criminal action?

Because it is still criminal.

All laws that are supporting existence of banks are
bad laws and any well educated jury will dissolved
banks on a spot.

Because of fraudulent issuance of money every single
profession has its ugly and hidden site.  If anyone
digs deep enough:

ANY PROFESSION IS HIDING SOME UGLY SECRETS THAT WOULD
DISCREDIT THE PROFESSIONALISM.

Why?

So call “good business practice” is redirecting focus
on profit not on a wellbeing of other human.

Best regards,

Stan







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On Thu Nov 9, 2006 5:28 am Andrew-Burke wrote:

Stan, I believe that the first step to a safe and
sound society would be to kill all lawyers who BAR
members since they are aiding and abetting traitors to
the Constitution of the organic republic..uSA.
Remember the saying....Your either part of the problem
or your part of the solution...

Stan:

I just find another solution that might work slowly
but without much blood.

It is shame.

Here are some e-mails about the power of shame:


Hi John

That’s just what people do here in Switzerland ……SHAME
the Judges….have a look on this site:
www.swissjustice.net

The owner of this site (Gerhard Ulrich) goes with
friends around to the Judges houses and they pass out
flyers.

The Supreme-Judges don’t like it if their Neighbours
find out about their doing……

Regards

Maya


Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2006 07:29
An: Ardeshir Mehta

Dear Ardeshir,

Shaming Magistrates and Judges.  They have families.
Their children should be told of their
father's/mother's treachery....the neighbours,
too......the congregations where they attend
church...the members of the golf clubs......the
checkout staff at their local shops...etc. Lepers are
unfortunate victims.....Magistrates and Judges aren't.

Yours sincerely,

John Wilson.


From: Dwight Callaway

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 4:07 AM

Subject: Re: Trial by Jury - Intimidation of Jurors

The beginning of the solution to judges, bankers or
any other powerful interests intimidating jurors is
to:

         1) Stop thinking like a loser, stop thinking
about what the judges can do to jurors, say to jurors
to trick them etc.

         2) Start thinking like a winner, start
thinking about what we can do to judges to expose,
shame and humiliate them. A crime is being committed
against the people and against Liberty itself.  We
need to act like we are stamping out criminals.

         3) Think, plan and act creatively and outside
the box. Find and use your power. Find and use tactics
that the enemy has little or no defense against.

         4) Stop following blockheaded, prideful,
stubborn "leaders" or organizations who use the same
old impotent tactics over and over again  -- that fail
and burn out those individuals who follow them.  Go
beyond sentimental attachment to ideas, people or
"beloved" organizations.

         5) Create and impliment our own agenda. GO ON
OFFENSE.   PLAN AND EXECUTE A JURY REVOLUTION.

                  6) SHAME JUDGES FOR THEIR ATTACKS ON
LIBERTY AND FREEDOM.  THEY HAVE NO DEFENSE.

         Dwight Callaway

         Boise Idaho


         Shaming Jury Tampering Judges  ¨C  Jury
Education On The Offensive

Any judge who intimidates or removes a seated juror
because that juror knows about or speaks about jury
nullification in the jury deliberation room is guilty
of destroying the sanctity of the jury.  That judge is
among the worst of judges and he should be exposed and
shamed immediately- by jury educators, talk radio
hosts and others.

If the local jury educators are not able or willing,
activists from outside the area should travel to where
the judge lives and shame and humiliate him in front
of his personal friends.  Tell the judge's neighbors,
church, school, civic and social groups about the
judge's lies, manipulations and jury tampering.(Make
absolutely no direct contact with the judge, his home,
property, immediate family, etc.)

If you give extra copies of your material to close
neighbors or any close friends that you reach, the
judge will get your material very quickly.  Expose and
shame the judge for his abuse of power, dishonesty,
lying, jury tampering, trampling our sacred rights,
etc.  Judges are guilty of moral crimes; by their
arrogance and lust for stolen power they destroy trial
by jury, self-government and Liberty itself.  It is
not necessary for you to convince the judge of this or
anything else.  Expose judges among the people who
hold ¡°emotional and social leverage¡± over them.
Then let psychology, human relationships and human
nature go to work on your judge.

  Remember, many judges now use shame all the time upon
people they convict in their courtrooms.  Judges
include provisions in their sentencing designed to
publicly shame and humiliate the convicted person for
his crime and make an example out of him to the
community.  It is time that jury educators routinely
used the same strategy on judges.  Shaming people
works, especially if the person in question is
prideful and arrogant.  ¡°What¡¯s good for the goose,
is good for the gander.¡±

By doing this, you will teach all judges that they too
might soon be exposed for their own lying and jury
tampering.  You also turn the family and friends of
judges against them and actually draft them into being
our allies.  Judges are very vulnerable here; this is
their Achilles heel.  Judges, more than most people,
are very concerned about their ¡°good name¡± and
prestige in the community.  Many people become lawyers
and especially become judges, because they desire
prestige and higher social standing. When you expose
the judges¡¯ crimes and abuses in this way, you make
their original reasons for becoming a judge a reason
now to start to respect the jury and tell the truth in
court.  And you will probably cause their wives,
parents, children the brunt of gossip and social
rejection ¨C because of the judges¡¯ abuse of power in
court.  This creates infinitely more pressure on
judges¡¯ than picketing at the courthouse or similar
actions.  Every other judge who hears about it will
get a much needed ¡°attitude adjustment¡±, long before
he becomes the subject of such a campaign.

Each man is afraid of his neighbor's disapproval - a
thing which, to the general run of the human race, is
more dreaded than wolves and death.¡± - Mark Twain,
The United States of Lyncherdom

Society¡¯s influence practices a social tyranny more
formidable than any kinds of political persuasion
since it leaves fewer means of escape, penetrating
much more deeply into the details of life.¡±    --
John Stuart Mill

Shame may restrain what law does not prohibit.¡± --
Seneca

Humility is the only certain defense against
humiliation¡± -- Unknown

The only shame is to have none¡± --  Blaise Pascal

Those who cultivate moral confusion for profit should
understand this: we will name their names and shame
them as they deserve to be shamed.¡± -- Bob Dole ,
U.S. Senator

Whilst shame keeps its watch, virtue is not wholly
extinguished in the heart; nor will moderation be
utterly exiled from the minds of tyrants.¡± -- Edmund
Burke

Tell the truth and shame the devil.¡±  -- Francois
Rabelais

Shame and guilt are noble emotions essential in the
maintenance of civilized society, and vital for the
development of some of the most refined and elegant
qualities of human potential.¡± -- Willard Gaylen

One of the misfortunes of our time is, that in getting
rid of false shame, we have killed off so much real
shame as well.¡± -- Louis Kronenberger

Best regards,

Stan







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JCT: Yesterday, I sent my announcement of withdrawal from
the Brantford mayoralty race to support Friel to the
Brantford Expositor. A first for me. I've never supported
another candidate before.

Did "Mayoral candidate supports opponent" make the news or
did Brantford Expositor editor David Judd squelch the story?
Considering how Judd's been smearing Friel over failure to
attend the 2003 Veterans Day parade, Judd's choice for our
most important municipal issue judging by the coverage, what
is Judd going to do when an opponent withdraws to support
the candidate Judd's been smearing?

Though there was one letter to the editor lauding Friel in
today's paper, with Judd's editorial endorsing Friel's
opponent, my letter withdrawing from the race and urging my
supporters to vote for Friel did not.

Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 09:00:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Letter to Editor: Turmel pulling out of mayoral race
From: "OPINION" <opinion@...>
To: "John Turmel" <johnturmel@...>
Letters to the editor must include the writer's full address
and telephone number. The Expositor does not print street
addresses and telephone numbers but requires them for
authentication.
David Judd Managing editor

JCT: How disingenuous! Even though I've had correspondence
with the Expositor for years, the necessary information is
not only at my web site but also at City Hall's web site,
Judd didn't publish my support because I didn't provide my
address and phone number. Who believes that is his real
reason?

From Random House Webster's College dictionary:
disingenuous: lacking in frankness, candor or sincerity;
insincere.

Disingenuous is when you're lying and everyone knows you're
lying, but you have plausible deniability. He can argue he's
a mere journalist who barely mastered "Tape Recorder 101,"
let alone "Phone Book 101" or "Surf and Search 101?"


--
Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel 519-753-0645 USENET: can.politics

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> Greetings TCN readers and/or otherwise:
>
> Please forward this attached flyer to anyone on your email list
> who would appreciate learning about this special event that
> celebrates UsuryFree Week. Our key note speaker is Peter Jon
> Simpson from Atwater, Minnesota - near Minneapolis.

Jct: Does Simpson know the difference between usury and interest?
Between Shift A and Shift B inflation or does he think
inflation is too much money?
Does it jive with the Banking System Blueprint at
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/bankmath.htm

Hi Folks,

A change from 'bashing bankers' -- the URL at the end  may be new to some
IJCCR readers.

jane



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