Announcing a new book review just published on the IJCCR website:


David Akin and Joel Robbins (1999) (eds.), Money and Modernity: State
and Local Currencies in Melanesia
Reviewed by Stephen DeMeulenaere

www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/

with best wishes,

Gill


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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)








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Readers may be interested to know about the forthcoming American
Monetary Institute conference in Chicago, which includes speakers on
monetary reform and local currencies, among many other topics,


> September 24 - 27
>
> http://www.monetary.org/2009schedule.html
>

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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)

Please reply to Pete directly:   P.J.North@...

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "North, Peter" <P.J.North@...>
>
>
> I am just completing the manuscript for my forthcoming book 'Local
> Money'
>
> http://greenbooks.co.uk/store/transition-guide-money-p-320.html
>
> Here you might be able to help me - the publishers want lots of
> quotes in it from current LETS, Time Bank and other local currency
> network  members and organisers about what they think the best
> things about their currencies are, how they've benefitted.
>
> They want to know about future plans.
>
> I'd like to be able to show how vibrant the local currency schemes
> out there are, and especially feature short examples of case studies
> of local currencies engaging with climate change and peak oil.  Are
> you involved with transition towns at all?
>
> So little vignettes/quotes/case study paragraphs would be really
> helpful.
>
> Would you be able to write me or supply me with a quote or tell me a
> little more about your plans, so I can include it in the book?  if
> we use it, of course you will be credited.
>
> if you want a chat about this, give me a call on 0151 794 2849
>
> Pete North
>
>
> Peter North
> Department of Geography
> University of Liverpool

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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)








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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Stephen DeMeulenaere <stephen@...>
> Date: 10 August 2009 04:01:02 BST
> To: Complementary Currency Research Group
<cc_research@...
> >
> Subject: [cc_research] Recent additions to the CC Library
> Reply-To: Complementary Currency Research Group
<cc_research@...
> >
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I was recently gifted with a DVD full of academic research documents
> from one of the MA students in the CC Research Group.
> I have uploaded those which are not restricted by copyright to the
> Open CC Library at http://www.complementarycurrency.org/
> materials.php. There are now 389 documents in the library.
>
> I invite you to link to documents on your websites or upload them.
>
> To upload: 
http://www.complementarycurrency.org/materials.php?action=edit&frm=doc&which=0
>
> To link: 
http://www.complementarycurrency.org/materials.php?action=edit&frm=ref&which=0
>
> Regards,
>
> Stephen
>
> --
>
> Stephen DeMeulenaere
> Ubud, Bali, Indonesia
> Mobile:  +62817345516
> Skype: 'evenstephen'  Facebook - Twitter - LinkedIn
> www.complementarycurrency.org - CC Resource Center
> www.network-economies.com
>

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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)








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Announcing a new addition to the 2009 volume of IJCCR
International Journal of Community Currency Research

Katherine Devitt reviews:

Josh Ryan-Collins, Lucie Stephens and Anna Coote (2008) 'The New
Wealth of Time: How timebanking helps people build public
services' (NEF and TimeBanks UK, London)

with best wishes,

Gill



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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)

Dear friends and colleagues (apologies for cross-posting)

I'm currently advertising for a senior research associate in
grassroots innovations for sustainable consumption, and hope that
you'll be able to pass this advert on to any potentially-interested
researchers you know,

thankyou,

Gill



SENIOR RESEARCH ASSOCIATE
Ref: RA583

£29,704 to £34,435 per annum

The researcher will work with Dr Gill Seyfang on 'Harnessing
Grassroots Innovations: Complementary Currencies and Sustainability',
funded by The Leverhulme Trust. The project examines complementary
currencies, a diverse global movement of community-led initiatives for
sustainability, assessing their innovative characteristics, diffusion
strategies and success, relating findings to wider debates on
innovation, socio-technical transitions and sustainable development,
drawing lessons for sustainability practitioners and policymakers. You
must have (or be about to obtain), a PhD (or equivalent) and have a
broad knowledge of current research on community initiatives for
sustainability. The post is available for two years from 1 October 2009.

Closing date: 12 noon on 30 June 2009

http://www.uea.ac.uk/hr/jobs/ra/ra583.htm


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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)

I'm pleased to announce two new items published in the 2009 volume of
the IJCCR (International Journal of Community Currency Research).

We hope you find the papers useful and interesting, and encourage you
to consider sending us reports, papers and reviews for the journal -
please visit the website for more information, thankyou.

www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr

best wishes,

Gill Seyfang, co-editor.




A book review:

'Seeds of Change: The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption' by
Gill Seyfang, reviewed by Jeppe Graugaard


and a research paper:

Social Economy and Central Banks: Legal and Regulatory Issues on
Social Currencies (Social Money) as a Public Policy Instrument
Consistent with Monetary Policy  by Marusa Vasconcelos Freire

Abstract

In Brazil, the National Secretariat for Solidarity Economy has
encouraged the establishment of Community Development Banks that issue
“social currencies for local circulation”, and has struggled to set up
a regulatory framework for the use of social currencies, by means of
public policies for solidarity finance, at the federal, state, and
municipal levels of governments. Can social currencies be regarded as
public policy instruments compatible with monetary policy under the
responsibility of central banks? With the aim of systematizing this
question and allowing the Central bank of Brazil to elaborate a
reference study on this subject, this essay defines social currencies
on the basis of constitutional precepts; identifies and examines legal
and regulatory issues and logistical and operational aspects relating
to social currency systems; and investigates why social currencies
should be regarded as public policy instruments for local development
compatible with monetary policy.



Resumé

Au Brésil, le Secrétariat d’État à l’Économie Solidaire stimule la
création de Banques Communautaires de Développement, en les permettant
d’émettre des « monnaies sociales pour la ciruclation locale » et
s’efforce d’établir un cadre réglementaire pour l’usage de monnaies
sociales au moyen de politiques publiques de finances solidaires sur
les trois niveaux de gouvernement : pouvoir central, des états et des
municipalités. Or, peut-on considérer que les monnaies sociales sont
des instruments de politiques publiques compatibles avec la politique
monétaire conduite par les banques centrales ? Pour systématiser cette
question et permettre à la Banque centrale du Brésil d’élaborer une
étude de référence sur ce sujet, cet essai commence par définir ce que
sont les monnaies sociales sur la base des précepts da la
constituition. Il identifie et examine ensuite les questions légales
et réglementaires et certains aspects logistiques et opérationnels
liés aux systèmes de monnaies sociales pour finalement montrer
pourquoi les monnaies sociales peuvent être considérées comme des
instruments de politiques publiques de développement local compatibles
avec la politique monétaire.



Resumen

En Brasil, la Secretaría Nacional de Economía Solidaria ha estado
incentivando la creación de Bancos Comunitarios de Desarrollo para la
emisión de “monedas sociales de circulación local” y está luchando por
el establecimiento de un hito regulatorio para el uso de monedas
sociales, mediante políticas públicas de finanzas solidarias en las
tres esferas de gobierno: federal, estatal y municipal. ¿Podrán las
monedas sociales ser consideradas como instrumentos de políticas
públicas compatibles con la política monetaria bajo la responsabilidad
de los bancos centrales? Con el objetivo de sistematizar la cuestión y
permitir al Banco Central de Brasil a elaborar una investigación de
referencia sobre este tema, este ensayo define lo que son monedas
sociales a partir de fundamentos constitucionales; identifica y
examina cuestiones legales y regulatorias y aspectos logísticos y
operacionales relacionados a los sistemas de monedas sociales; y
verifica por qué las monedas sociales pueden ser consideradas como
instrumentos de políticas públicas de desarrollo local compatibles con
la política monetaria.



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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)








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Announcing the publication of a new report in the 2009 volume of IJCCR:

CHIEMGAUER REGIOMONEY:
THEORY AND PRACTICE OF A LOCAL CURRENCY
Christian Gelleri

http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/

best wishes,

Gill



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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ

tel: +44(0)1603 592956
personal: http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/~e175/
department: http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics Of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change by Gill
Seyfang (2009), Palgrave Macmillan.

Editor, International Journal Of Community Currency Research
http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/
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Announcing the publication of new research papers in the International
Journal of Community Currency Research
Volume 13 (2009)

www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/


Time for Each Other: Working Towards a Complementary Currency Model to
Serve the Anti-Poverty Policies of the Municipality of Lndgraaf, the
Netherlands
Miranda van Kuik

In 2007, the Dutch municipality of Landgraaf requested an
investigation into whether a community currency could support its anti-
poverty policies. The literature research assembled empirical data on
scrip, LETS and Time Banks. Their effects were evaluated against a set
of specific goals: poverty relief, provision of care, social
integration and return of long-term unemployed to the labour market.
Complementary currencies have still to prove themselves on all
objectives, and the last one is particularly hard to achieve. However,
for the most part, the systems being investigated have not been set up
in a professional way or with longer-term finances available. With
these prerequisites in place, and a formal, trustworthy organisation
taking the initiative, a complementary currency could still be a
useful policy instrument. A Time Bank-like construction would work
best, with a professional broker and a limited working area.


Change Takes Time: Exploring Structural and Developmental Issues of
Time Banking
Lee Gregory

This paper draws out key conclusions from a recent research project
into a voluntary sector time bank in the Welsh Valleys. The aim of the
research was to explore the structure and organisational issues of
time banks in relation to the development of co-production. Such an
analysis attempts to make clear how time bank development fosters the
values of co-production as is claimed by research and literature on
time banks. The argument in this paper is that whilst time banks can
be set-up for a range of purposes, not always tied to co-production,
the practices and ideas embedded in the time bank mechanisms do
gradually develop the values of co-production. However this is a slow
process and requires a successful, initial time bank pilot project to
encourage further support for expanding the practice. For those who
advocate the development of co-production this paper provides
information of time bank development which can support their efforts
to promote the idea within the public sector.


The Impact of Community Currency Systems on Gender Relations in Rural
Northeast Thailand: A Hybrid Social Audit – Gender Analysis Approach
David Walker

This paper is an initial response to calls for an investigation of the
impact of Community Currency Systems (CCSs) on gender relations in a
developing country context. It thereby proposes the question of
whether or not CCSs support existing gender relations or transform
them. The proposition is that the unique characteristics of a
localised currency may influence a variety of economic and social
characteristics in rural communities to the point where they affect
the wellbeing of men and women differently. In conclusion, the
research offers three learning points; firstly, the use of Seyfang’s
(1997) Social Audit Approach together with gender analysis frameworks
do offer a viable means of generating primary information; secondly,
the two study areas show that the most obvious effect of the CCS on
gender relations regards the strengthening of women’s social capital;
thirdly, that the implementation of a CCS can positively influence
gender relations in other areas and should be more fully investigated.


and a book review of:

Stiansen Endre and Guyer Jane I. (1999) Credit, currencies and
culture: African financial institutions in historical perspective
Reviewed by Tite Ngoumou

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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ

tel: +44(0)1603 592956
personal: http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/~e175/
department: http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics Of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change by Gill
Seyfang (2009), Palgrave Macmillan.

Editor, International Journal Of Community Currency Research
http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/
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Apologies for cross-posting... please forward to relevant people/
lists, thankyou!

Announcing

The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, University of East Anglia, 2009.
(Palgrave Macmillan, Basingstoke. Hardback ISBN 978-0-230-52533-7)

Climate change is forcing us to rethink our lifestyles, but green
consumerism won’t save the
planet. Mainstream approaches simply cannot deliver the radical
changes we need for a sustainable
society. This book offers a fresh look at sustainable consumption,
presenting a holistic ‘New
Economics’ approach. It explores how grassroots community actions for
sustainability are
experimenting with new ways of working, measuring value and progress,
and expressing ecological
citizenship.

Local organic food systems, low-impact eco-housing, and complementary
currencies are examined
to measure their success at delivering localized economies and
inclusive communities, enabling
people to reduce their ecological footprints, harnessing collective
energies and building new forms
of social organization. Viewing these activities as innovative ‘green
niches’, the book explores the
opportunities for grassroots innovations to spread and influence wider
society, and the barriers
preventing them achieving their potential.

CONTENTS:
Introduction: A Consuming Issue
Sustainable Consumption: A Mainstream Agenda
Sustainable Consumption and the New Economics
Grassroots Innovations for Sustainable Consumption
Sustainable Food: Growing Carrots and Community
Sustainable Housing: Building a Greener Future
Sustainable Currencies: Green Money from The Grassroots
Conclusions: Seedbeds for Sustainable Consumption
References

GILL SEYFANG is an environmental social scientist at the University of
East Anglia, UK, working on
sustainable consumption. She currently holds a Research Councils UK
Academic Fellowship and is
developing a research programme in Low-Carbon Lifestyles. She is co-
editor of 'Corporate
Responsibility and Labour Rights'.

http://www.palgrave.com/products/title.aspx?PID=279575


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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/

*** NEW BOOK ***
The New Economics of Sustainable Consumption: Seeds of Change
by Gill Seyfang, 2009 (Palgrave Macmillan)







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From: "North, Peter" <P.J.North@...>


Dear all

Green Books in the UK will be publishing a guide to alternative
currencies as part of their "Transition Guides" series called: "Money:
how to unleash a money revolution where you live".  I am writing it,
and it will be published in September next year. It won't be an
inaccessible academic tome, but an affordable accessible 'how to'
guide.  I have to deliver the manuscript in February.

This is an open call for you to get in touch with me if you think you
have a good story about setting up an alternative currency scheme of
any kind (LETS, LETSystem, Time Money, Time Dollar, Hours, scrip,
Totnes or Lewes Pound, regional money etc) that you feel those
interested in setting up currencies, perhaps as part of their
transitioning to deal with climate change and peak oil.

I am interested in good examples of:

•       setting up currency schemes in different examples.

•       designing systems that do work (ie, you have a track record of
success, NOT "it would work if only you did xxx"  Tell me when you did
xxx and why it worked.)

•       managing circulation - avoiding overlarge hoards or debts,
managing people leaving without paying off debts, credit limits,
deciding how much scrip to print)

•       involving hard to reach communities, and businesses.

•       working with local authorities.

•       publicity and promotion

•       explaining to new people how it works.

I am relatively familiar with things in the UK, New Zealand, Hungary
and Argentina, and quite up to date with the states and Canada - it
would be good to hear about things elsewhere.

we have a good track record in overselling what complementary
currencies can do, and not talking about what does not work.  So I
want the experiences to be grounded and verified, not just peoples
hopes and pet theories about what could happen - but also optimistic.

experience is that when financial systems crash we see an
effervescence of alternative currency networks.  We now have a lot of
experience about what works and how to avoid the pitfalls.  This is a
chance to distil that experience.

Of course, anyone who gets in touch with me and we use their stuff
will be credited.

I look forward to your experiences.

Peter North
Department of Geography
University of Liverpool

‘It is the one great and universal interest of the human race to be
cordially united and to aid each other to the full extent of their
capacities.’   Robert Owen





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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/





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International Journal of Community Currency Research

Announcing the publication of a new paper and book review on the
journal's website.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/

1) An Economic Analysis Of Contemporary Local Currencies In The United
States

Since 1991, over 80 communities in the United States introduced
locally printed money. It is argued by proponents that community
currency systems revitalize local economies by keeping money
circulating locally rather than flowing out, but this study is the
first known in-depth economic analysis of these systems. Monetary
theory and the experience with local currencies in Argentina indicate
that in periods of financial instability and high unemployment, local
currencies might provide widespread economic benefits. The experience
of the United States during the 1990s, however, suggests that local
paper currencies do not promote local economic development during
periods of economic and financial stability. Seigniorage from local
currencies is small, and cities in the United States that attempted
local currencies during the 1990s did not experience higher rates of
growth in income than other cities. Eighty-five percent of the local
paper currency systems initiated in the United States since1991 have
become inactive.

2) a review of: Helmut Creutz (2008) Le Syndrome De La Monnaie. Vers
Une Economie De Marche Sans Crise. Reviewed by Jerome Blanc

with best wishes,

Gill
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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: www.uea.ac.uk/env/





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-----Original Message-----
From: cc_research-bounces@...
[mailto:cc_research-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Stephen
DeMeulenaere
Sent: 20 August 2008 12:18
To: Complementary Currency Research Group
Subject: [cc_research] International Reciprocal Trade Association Creates
Community Currency Committee



International Reciprocal Trade Association Creates Community Currency
Committee

With the support of many Community Currency System Members, the IRTA Global
Board of Directors has unanimously authorized a new Community Currency
Committee. The Committee will specifically focus on areas of interest to the
Community Currency sector of the Modern Trade and Barter Industry.

The new committee is chaired by IRTA Board Member Richard Logie and directed
by Stephen DeMeulenaere. They have assembled a distinguished panel of
Community Currency leaders including Thomas Greco, Bernard Lietaer, Chris
Lindstrom, Rob van Hilten (who is also IRTA Europe Vice-President), and IRTA
Board members who have an interest in the advancement of Community Currency
Systems.

Together, we cordially invite you to IRTA's 29^th Annual Conference to be
held from September 22-24, 2008 at the Westgate River Ranch Resort outside
of Orlando, Florida, USA, where special sessions on Community Currency
Systems will be held.

'We urge all persons involved in the Community and Complementary Currency
movement to attend and participate in the creation of this new Committee"
said Ron Whitney, IRTA Executive Director.

The International Reciprocal Trade Association, or IRTA, is an ethically
based global organization dedicated to the advancement of Modern Trade and
Barter and other Alternative Capital systems, through the use of education,
self regulation, high standards and government relations, and the promotion
of just and equitable standards of practice and operation in the industry.

Last year IRTA Member Companies using the "Modern Trade and Barter" process
made it possible for over 400,000 companies World Wide to utilize their
Excess Business Capacities and underperforming assets to earn an estimated
$10 Billion dollars in previously lost and wasted revenues.

For further information about the conference, please see the IRTA website at
www.irta.com <http://www.irta.com/> or about the Complementary Currency
Council by email to stephen.demeulenaere@...
<mailto:stephen.demeulenaere@...>.

--

Stephen DeMeulenaere
Ubud, Bali, Indonesia
Local:  0817 345 516  International +623618085305
Skype: 'evenstephen'  Facebook LinkedIn Plaxo www.complementarycurrency.org
www.network-economies.com

Announcing the most recent additions to the International Journal of
Community Currency Research.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/index.html




RESEARCH ARTICLE

Community Currency: An Approach To Economic Sustainability In Our Local
Bioregion

Natalie Terese Soder
nts4@...

International Journal of Community Currency Research
Vol 12 (2008) pp. 24-52
ISSN 1325-9547

Throughout the United States many rural areas face challenges to economic
sustainability. Community currency attempts to confront these challenges by
ensuring that wealth and resources are maintained within a region. The
specific research question investigated in this article is, "Why do
individuals participate in community currency movements and does that
participation actually promote economic sustainability?" Social identity
theory, social exchange theory and the concept of social capital guided the
analysis for participation in the Humboldt Exchange. Key informant
interviews and the Humboldt Exchange Survey 2008 were methods used to answer
the research question. Survey data reveals that 44% of the Humboldt State
University is aware of community currency, while 80% are unaware of the
Exchange. Qualitative findings propose that individuals participate in the
Humboldt Exchange because they have goods and services to exchange with
others, whom they identify with, because doing so ensures that a certain
amount of wealth and resources are maintained locally. However, as survey
data shows, lack of awareness of the Humboldt Exchange essentially prohibits
any form of economic sustainability, since this sustainability is only
possible through considerable participation in the Exchange.


REPORT

2007 Yearly Report of the Worldwide Database of Complementary Currency
Systems,

Stephen DeMeulenaere
stephen@...

International Journal of Community Currency Research
Vol 12 (2008) pp. 2-19
ISSN 1325-9547

The Worldwide Database of Complementary Currency Systems is designed to
collect vital statistics on a broad variety of indicators related to the
function of all types of complementary currency systems. The reason for
collecting this information is to provide an accurate statistical and
scientific understanding of different types of systems and identify a set of
performance indicators from which to make comparisons. From this foundation
of knowledge our intention is to open a communication channel that links
complementary currency systems together to allow experience, information and
knowledge to be exchanged, which contributes to the improvement and growth
of our efforts. The information is presented in a wide variety of ways:
according to the region, country and the indicators listed, in table and
graph forms, using both bar and pie charts. This level of simplicity and
flexibility creates a complexity that is sufficient to allow researchers to
drill for information from the international level all the way down to the
community level.



BOOK REVIEW

Peter North (2006) Alternative Currency Movements as a Challenge to
Globalisation? A Case Study of Manchester's Local Currency Networks.
<http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/pdfs/IJCCR%20vol%2012%20%282008%29%20review1
.pdf>  Reviewed by Manon Boulianne



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Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: http://www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/

Editor, International Journal of Community Currency Research:
http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/

Dr Gill Seyfang believe in 'Climate Change', while I believe
in 'Climaterium Change' (which has nothing to do with CC...):

ecm-2007-01 Personal Carbon Trading: Lessons from Complementary
Currencies
http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/cserge/people/gill_seyfang.htm


--- In ijccr@yahoogroups.com, ernie yacub <ernieyacub@...> wrote:
>
> Gill Seyfang wrote:
> One type of grassroots innovation is complementary
> > currencies. Complementary currencies (CCs) such as LETS and Time
Banks are
> > cashless trading systems, which aim to deliver social, economic and
> > environmental benefits, through building social capital,
strengthening local
> > economies, and promoting import substitution.
>
> LETS are not cashless trading systems.
>
> LETS are community currencies that are sometimes described as
complementary.
>

Hello all.
The Italian CC circuit named SCEC is expanding very fast.
Currently SCEC are issued in Naples, Rome and Tuscany, under
a network named Arcipelago Moneta:
http://www.arcipelagomoneta.org/

The interesting issue is that we made an arrangement with a
photovoltaic industry so that it is now possible to buy
photovoltoaic systems starting at over 50 KW (euro price: 300,000),
using our currency SCEC (300,000 SCEC).

The main difference between REGIO and SCEC is that REGIO act like a
currency board, leaving the seigniorage to the EBC, while SCEC is
not convertible in euro on a mandatory basis, so that the
seigniorage is kept by the issuing authority forever.

Italians do it better.

Kind regards,

Marco Saba
http://studimonetari.org

P.S: In the previous days, we were able to start introducing SCEC on
Second Life.

"But this exchange between us already highlights the
stupidity of the decision to switch this list off.
Talk about foot shooting. All the energy is being
dispersed and focus lost. It's like the classic
gatekeeping exercise. Get passionate people together,
coral them into some sort of compromised
organisational structure then, at some moment or on a
whim, whip the rug out from under their feet."
--------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------

That is exactly what is happening here.  It's a
power-play by some particularly stupid people.  For
whatever reason, who knows?  But I am confident the
reason they gave is a lie.  The reason Colin Williams
gave us is the best he could come up with, and it's
nonsense.

Peter


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Gill Seyfang wrote:
One type of grassroots innovation is complementary
> currencies. Complementary currencies (CCs) such as LETS and Time Banks are
> cashless trading systems, which aim to deliver social, economic and
> environmental benefits, through building social capital, strengthening local
> economies, and promoting import substitution.

LETS are not cashless trading systems.

LETS are community currencies that are sometimes described as complementary.

Richard -

Fair points, legal points, tedious points, energy sapping points also,
but I accept them.

I have subscribed to your ccdiscuss@... list but as yet no posts.

But this exchange between us already highlights the stupidity of the
decision to switch this list off. Talk about foot shooting. All the
energy is being dispersed and focus lost. It's like the classic
gatekeeping exercise. Get passionate people together, coral them into
some sort of compromised organisational structure then, at some moment
or on a whim, whip the rug out from under their feet.

Ok, I am laying it on a bit thick, but the logic holds good.

Would you or anyone else on this list have a list of all the other
lists that I could subscribe to?

Is there a new, self evident focal point for CC and related discussion
and if so, how do I get to it?

Even though I have made few posts here, I will miss this resource. It
costs nothing, is optional to join and brings together differing and
complementary views that can be given a thorough going over. Anyway,
enough of this repetitive chat.

Adios IJCCR.

On Nov 30, 2007 11:52 AM, Richard Kay <rich@...> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:56:38PM +0000, Pablo 88 wrote:
>
> > If neither of these suggestions are acceptable, then can you [Colin] at
least
> > provide some responsible individual on this list with the 510 email
> > addresses of the current subscribers so that they can be placed upon a new
> > email discussion list.
>
> Pablo, that would be contrary to the UK Data Protection Act, which
> prevents data collected for one purpose being used for another.
> Also reusing such an address list
> in connection with another hosted list would result in the
> new host being in breach of their ISPs acceptable usage agreement
> in connection with the requirement for active consent of
> recipients to receive bulk email.
>
> I agree with Ernie, that those following this discussion have
> an opportunity to join continuing discussions, about which
> subscription links have been posted. Anyone who isn't reading
> these invitations and actively accepting these, isn't consenting
> to be on any new or existing lists which provide discussion
> spaces as alternatives to this closing discussion.
>
> Spam is generally defines as unsolicited bulk email, which
> means that this address list can't be reused by a responsible
> person.
>
> Regards,
> Richard.
>
>
> >
> > -- Pablo
> >
>

Hello,

I'd like to announce the following PhD opportunity, with an application
deadline of 1st February 2008, and to start October 2008. Funding may be
available, please see the webpage given below for further details.

The successful applicant will be joining one of the most highly rated and
largest schools of Environmental Sciences in the world, with a strong social
science community of researchers working on sustainable development policy
and practice. It is an excellent opportunity to carry out some original
research into the role complementary currencies can play in the transition
to sustainable development, and how this potential can be realised.

I would be grateful for your help in forwarding the advert on to other
groups or interested people, thankyou.

Gill






Grassroots Innovations for Sustainable Development: The role and potential
of complementary currencies.

Innovation and community action are two important strands for sustainable
development, which are usually considered separately in both theory and
policy. Recent work by Seyfang and Smith (2007) bridges this divide to see
community action as a neglected, but potentially important, site of
innovative activity, and outlines a new research agenda to explore the role
and potential of 'grassroots innovation' for sustainable development. We use
the term 'grassroots innovations' to describe networks of activists and
organisations generating novel bottom-up solutions for sustainable
development; solutions that respond to the local situation and the interests
and values of the communities involved. In contrast to mainstream business
greening, grassroots initiatives operate in civil society arenas and involve
committed activists experimenting with social innovations as well as using
greener technologies. One type of grassroots innovation is complementary
currencies. Complementary currencies (CCs) such as LETS and Time Banks are
cashless trading systems, which aim to deliver social, economic and
environmental benefits, through building social capital, strengthening local
economies, and promoting import substitution. A growing global CC movement
includes many varieties of CC with different mechanisms and objectives, in
both developed and developing countries. This research will examine CC
development as a grassroots innovation, in particular its potential for
diffusing innovative social and technological practices from 'innovation
niches' into mainstream society, and will draw lessons for other types of
grassroots innovation, ultimately to inform government policy for
sustainable development. The student will work alongside a lively community
of researchers and PhD students studying community initiatives for
sustainable development, and will contribute to the International Journal of
Community Currency Research, which is hosted at UEA.


http://biobis.bio.uea.ac.uk/Resproject/show.aspx?ID=8



---------------------------------------
Dr Gill Seyfang
RCUK Academic Fellow
School of Environmental Sciences
University of East Anglia
Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK

tel: +44 (0) 1603 592956
personal: http://www.uea.ac.uk/~e175/
department: http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/

Editor, International Journal of Community Currency Research:
http://www.uea.ac.uk/env/ijccr/




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Subject:       Peak Everything [Richard Heinberg on energy]
	        A CITS Capital & Debt Watch Supplement
	        November 30, 2007

Dear cyber-folk,

Once again I am grateful to Mary Rose Hampton for
posting the article pasted in below.

When I chatted with a fellow physicist and information
maven, he blithly referred to a switch to uranium, as
a long term solution.

I could not reply because I had seen no "peak uranium"
data and my only sense was that, it, like gold, silver,
copper, coal, natural gas, oil, etc. are all at, or well
past, peak economic availability.

I think the word "economic availability" is critical
to think about all this, as, there will always be a
way of extracting any of these "natural resources" from
the earth if the price is high enough.

Now.  Thanks to Heinberg's web site:

         http://www.richardheinberg.com

I now have a citation for a "definitive" study on the
peak availability of uranium, and the peak date is
around the year 2050 !

OK!  This is not far behind everything else.  I presume
it lags everything else because the US and other countries
got leary of "nuclear power" and disposal issues.  So,
we have this quotation from Heinberg (in his museletter #179,
March, 2007):

   Where could 10 quads of new energy production capacity come from? The
   expansion of nuclear power is problematic given future constraints in
   the availability of uranium (another study by EWG, "Uranium Resources
   and Nuclear Energy," published in 2006, estimates that global
   production will peak before 2050 even with robust resource estimates),
   and also given the high expense and time lags associated with
   constructing nuclear power plants. Tar sands and oil shale face
   practical hurdles such as shortages of fresh water for processing.
   Biofuels suffer from low energy profit ratios, and their development
   likewise requires substantial quantities of fresh water. Other
   renewables_solar, wind, tidal, wave, and geothermal_have significant
   potential for increase; however, there is arguably no credible
   scenario in which these could grow fast enough to offset projected
   declines in any one of the three principal fossil fuels, much less all
   three together.

The EWG referred to here is the Energy Watch Group which
also issued a "definite" piece on coal, and found that "peak
coal" will be sooner than anticipated as "known reserves"
are lower than previously believed.  See the entire newsletter
for more:

         http://www.richardheinberg.com/museletter/179

*****

There are enormous implications of all of these drainings
of natural resources and that many such drainings are past
peak.

First, most people simply will not be able to hear this
news, and will go about their resource-intensive lives,
as always.

This does not mean they won't feel it ... it is just that
it will sneak up on them in the form of:

         1.  home/business heating and cooling costs
         2.  required home/business retrofits of all kinds
                 and all costs (but, as most will not act
                 to conserve, they will simply pay more than
		 the annualized cost of the retrofits).
         3.  food prices, based on the increased costs of
                 producing food and the increased costs of
                 transporting it.  For example, it simply
                 will not make economic sense to grow
                 potatoes, other than close to home.  Many
		 exotics such as oranges from Africa to the
		 US will simply disappear (and be remembered
		 as an odd odyssey -- stories to be told by
		 future generations about this bizarre period
		 in history).
	 4.  all energy intensive and energy related economic
		 activity will become considerably more expensive,
		 and so, via the supply/demand curve, the demand
		 will drop as will overall revenues and overall
		 profits
	 5.  as a vast percentage of the US economy fits in #4,
		 the impact on stock prices will be enormous,
		 and extremely negative
	 6.  as debt is already staggering in the US, debt
		 will continue to mount as folk attempt to
		 maintain the lifestyles and standards of
                 living they have come to expect in this
                 grand place, North America.
         7.  many will counter that the economic activity
                 of the "retrofits" (above) will provide
                 the new jobs, etc., but, these are not
		 "product" as we have come to know it, it
		 is really substituting a smaller cost for
		 the ever rising costs of resources
	 8.  inflation (and I prefer to use the word to mean
		 what some term "spiraling inflation") will
		 become uncontrollable as everyone loses
		 any notion of what anything should cost and
		 the avarice folk will try to get ahead by
		 tacking on fictitious cost rises -- thus
		 the word 'spiral.'

So, unfortunately for all of us we will live in a vastly
different world, quite soon.  Those Boomers entering
retirement will first lose much of what "they have" to
the reckless risks assumed on their behalf by the Generation-X,
"nomadic," non-caring money managers who have played vast
games with Boomer "wealth" and then the Boomers will find
that even if they had the money "promised them" in countless
ads about how money compounds and how rich everyone will be
in retirement, the trips to exotic lands will simply be
too costly as jet fuel becomes more costly than cheap
champagne.

Whichever, I do suggest that everyone look at the savings
from resource conservation.  Demand to get what the furnace
purveyors promise in that 20% increase in efficiency, not via
a $7000 purchase of a "new furnace," but by a few hundred
dollars of well chosen retrofits.  My 1893 soft coal
furnace, e.g., is just fine, and is about as close to maximum
efficiency via 1.)  a flame retention oil burner, 2.)  damper
closer, 3.)  chimney liner/heat extractor of the "last 400
degrees," 4.)  sizing the nozzel correctly so that the
furnace is on 24 hours a day, on the coldest day (sounds
unintuitive ... yes, "sounds," 5.)  a "wet pack," light
weight fiber combustion chamber that glows cherry red, further
increasing efficiency.  But none of this is new.  I brought
similar furnaces up to 90% efficiency in 1974.  Insulation?

Yeah, start with the basement walls!  Floor to ceiling, based
on a 1973 Canadian article that showed partial insulation
is short-circuited by the vertical rise of heat in stone/concrete,
heat conducting walls.  Don't be fooled by the fact the
basement runs cooler.  If it is at 65 degrees and outside
it is 22 degrees, the delta T (65-22) is not much different
than say 72-22 of a first floor room.  Read a fine booklet
we produced in '73 for more, "In the Bank or Up the Chimney"
that we wrote for HUD.  Or, just move to a berm house with
a solar exposure ... done right, heating and cooling costs
are nil.

Yeah, peak everything.

Regards,

WCP

["fair use," "teachable moment," "archival," Section 107(a), 1976
Copyright Act and 1998 Digital Millennium Act]

Apocalyptic Vision of a Post-Fossil Fuel World By Paul Eccleston The
Telegraph UK

Thursday 22 November 2007

An apocalyptic vision of how the world will look after the oil runs
out has been given by a top scientist.

Richard Heinberg, one of the world's leading experts on oil reserves,
warned that the lives of billions of people were threatened by a food
crisis caused by our dependence on dwindling supplies of fossil fuels.

Higher oil prices, the loss of farmland to biofuel crops, climate
change and the loss of natural resources would combine with population
growth to create an unprecedented food shortage, he claimed.

The only way to avoid a world food crisis was a planned and rapid
reduction of fossil fuel use - oil, coal and gas - and a switch to
more organic methods in the growing and delivery of food. It would
mean a return to living off the land not seen for 150 years.

The stark predictions were made by Heinberg in a lecture to the Soil
Association in London.

Heinberg, an author and former advisor to the National Petroleum
Council, specialises in 'Peak Oil' - the point where oil production
reaches its maximum and begins to decline - and the implications it
has for climate change and food security.

He said for thousands of years, until the 19th century and the onset
of the Industrial Revolution, all food production had been local. In
good years there was enough to eat and to store and in bad years there
was starvation.

The invention of the petrol engine increased the amount of arable land
available to grow food, the size and efficiency of farm machinery
improved, and better pesticides were developed - all of which
contributed to a better food supply.

As food became more plentiful and cheap, the threat of famine
disappeared and obesity became more widespread than hunger. Food,
grain, meat and vegetables began to be exported around the world and
the world population increased six-fold.

By the 1960s industrial-chemical practices had been exported to the
third world and in the next half century food production tripled - but
at an unrecognised cost of water and soil pollution and enormous
environmental damage.

Heinberg said that, unfortunately, it was all unsustainable and the
abundance of food depended on depleting, non-renewable fossil fuels
whose burning produced climate-altering carbon dioxide.

The depletion of oil stocks, the demand for biofuels as an
alternative, environmental degradation and extreme weather caused by
climate change, were coming together to pose massive problems for
world food production.

The situation would be made worse by a shortage of fresh drinking
water. According to UN estimates, one third of the world's population
lived in areas with water shortages and 1.1 billion people lack access
to safe drinking water. The situation was expected to worsen
dramatically over the next few decades.

While the human population had tripled in the 20th century, the use of
renewable water resources had grown six-fold.

The UN Environment Program had concluded that the planet's water,
land, air, plants, animals and fish stocks were all in "inexorable
decline" much of it due to agriculture, which constituted the greatest
single source of human impact on the biosphere.

Heinberg said that to get to the heart of the crisis a comprehensive
transformation of world agriculture was needed - greater than anything
seen in many decades - which would produce a system that was not
reliant on fossil fuels.

He cited Cuba as an example of what could be achieved. In the 1980s it
had become reliant on cheap fuel supplied by Russia and was using more
agrochemicals per acre than even the US. But after the fall of
communism, supplies dried up. The average Cuban lost 20lbs in weight,
living standards collapsed and malnutrition became widespread.

Cuban authorities responded by redesigning the food supply system.
Large state-owned farms were broken up and given to families and they
were encouraged to form co-operatives, biological methods were used
for pest control, oxen replaced tractors, urban vegetable gardens
flourished and people began to keep chickens and rabbits for food.
Twenty years later food production was 90 per cent of its former
levels.

Heinberg said what was needed was a return to ecological organic
farming methods which would require the transformation of societies.

And with oil supplies rapidly running out the full resources of
national governments would be needed to achieve it.

The amount of food transportation would have to be reduced, food would
need to be grown in and around cities, and producers and consumers
would need to live closer together.

The use of pesticides would have to be reduced in packaging and
processing, draft animals would be reintroduced and governments would
have to provide incentives for people to return to an agricultural
life. Land reform would be needed to enable smallholders and farming
co-ops to work their own plots and population growth would have to be
curbed.

"All of this constitutes a gargantuan task, but the alternatives -
doing nothing or attempting to solve our food-production problems
simply by applying mere techno-fixes - will almost certainly lead to
dire consequences," he said.

"All of the worrisome trends mentioned earlier would intensify to the
point that the human carrying capacity of Earth would be degraded
significantly, and perhaps to a large degree permanently."

Heinberg added: "The transition to a fossil-fuel-free food system does
not constitute a distant utopian proposal. It is an unavoidable,
immediate, and immense challenge that will call for unprecedented
levels of creativity at all levels of society.

"A hundred years from now, everyone will be eating what we today would
define as organic food, whether or not we act.

"But what we do now will determine how many will be eating, what state
of health will be enjoyed by those future generations, and whether
they will live in a ruined cinder of a world, or one that is in the
process of being renewed and replenished."

--

--

	    W. Curtiss Priest, Director, CITS
		 Research Affiliate, MIT
       Center for Information, Technology & Society
	  466 Pleasant St., Melrose, MA  02176
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 09:56:38PM +0000, Pablo 88 wrote:

> If neither of these suggestions are acceptable, then can you [Colin] at least
> provide some responsible individual on this list with the 510 email
> addresses of the current subscribers so that they can be placed upon a new
> email discussion list.

Pablo, that would be contrary to the UK Data Protection Act, which
prevents data collected for one purpose being used for another.
Also reusing such an address list
in connection with another hosted list would result in the
new host being in breach of their ISPs acceptable usage agreement
in connection with the requirement for active consent of
recipients to receive bulk email.

I agree with Ernie, that those following this discussion have
an opportunity to join continuing discussions, about which
subscription links have been posted. Anyone who isn't reading
these invitations and actively accepting these, isn't consenting
to be on any new or existing lists which provide discussion
spaces as alternatives to this closing discussion.

Spam is generally defines as unsolicited bulk email, which
means that this address list can't be reused by a responsible
person.

Regards,
Richard.


>
> -- Pablo
>

Pablo 88 wrote:
> If neither of these suggestions are acceptable, then can you at least
> provide some responsible individual on this list with the 510 email
> addresses of the current subscribers so that they can be placed upon a new
> email discussion list.

rather than placed without their consent, perhaps colin williams could send them
an email off-list to invite them to subscribe - i say off-list because i would
imagine that most subscribers to ijccr turned it off long ago.

i wonder if colin is reading this?

those that are still keeping track know there are other cc-related egroups they
can join.

ey

Peter -

I guess our agreement here (along with many others who have voiced similar
sentiments) at least proves the continued existence of common sense.

Having checked the list today at yahoogroups I note that there are some 510
subscribers on this discussion list. The closer the deadline looms for the
loss of this resource, it becomes clear that not even
the opponents of cc's could strike a more damaging blow.

To the owner of this list I repeat my request for the continuation of this
list and the addition of an announcement list. Either:

1) Keep this list the same and create "ijccr_announce" for your new
announcement only list or
2) Create "ijccr_discussion" for the continuation of this list and use the
existing "ijccr" as your announcement list

Either way the result is the same. The lifeblood of the community continues
to circulate.

If neither of these suggestions are acceptable, then can you at least
provide some responsible individual on this list with the 510 email
addresses of the current subscribers so that they can be placed upon a new
email discussion list.

-- Pablo




On 11/29/07, Peter Hogwood <p_t_hogwood@...> wrote:
>
> "If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should
> simply make one at Yahoo and place all the subscribers
> to this list onto the new announcement list. Lets (pun
> intended) have two lists."
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> Of course, this is just plain good common sense. With
> a few mouse clicks they could set up a parallel
> announcement list. Which tells me that Colin Williams
> and his "editorial board" don't have just plain good
> common sense, or he is lying to us. I suspect the
> latter possibility is the more likely. If the
> discussions have not gone the way they wanted, he can
> blame himself for that, for being the completely
> incompetent moderator he has been. "Hands off,"
> indeed. Not doing his job is the better way to
> describe it. He corrects that deficiency through
> eliminating his job by discontinuing the list. What a
> laugh.
>
> Peter
>
> --- Pablo 88 <pablo88@... <pablo88%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > John and others -
> >
> > I am an intermittent communicator on this list but I
> > plug in to read
> > posts 2 or 3 times a week to add to my intelligence
> > diet. Castrating
> > it into a mere announcement list is simply
> > counter-productive to
> > nurturing the ball of energy that is needed to make
> > CC's manifest in
> > the world.
> >
> > If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should
> > simply make one at
> > Yahoo and place all the subscribers to this list
> > onto the new
> > announcement list. Lets (pun intended) have two
> > lists.
> >
> > This discussion list is like a CC right now. The
> > currency is the
> > exchange of information between us, the community.
> > The move to an
> > announcement list is analagous to going into the
> > central banking
> > business.
> >
> > The value of this list is in the people here, not in
> > the title IJCCR.
> > IJCCR should be thrilled that they have such a
> > vibrant and at times
> > contentious arena of, in the main, honest debate.
> >
> > I politely request that IJCCR creates a new
> > announcement list (ie
> > ijccr_announce@yahoogroups.com <ijccr_announce%40yahoogroups.com>) to
> run alongside
> > this one. The loss of
> > momentum in failing to do that far outweighs any
> > advantages that IJCCR
> > may think it will attain.
> >
> > -- Pablo
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2007 12:02 AM, Rich Vázquez
> > <rich.vazquez@... <rich.vazquez%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nobody decided to "end free discussion." The
> > owners of this list extended
> > > the opportunity for people to set up their own
> > mailing lists and announce
> > > them here, which some have done.
> > >
> > > If you don't like their decision, you can set up
> > your own list and announce
> > > it here.
> > >
> > > The owners of the list are not obligated to run
> > the list in a way that we
> > > demand. The list is run on *their* time and
> > energy. People who want that
> > > environment can set up their own and announce
> > them here.
> > >
> > > Frankly, they are being responsible my
> > recognizing the limitations of their
> > > intended scope and final project. It's not easy
> > to "end" or drastically
> > > change a community.
> > >
> > > Solutions to all complaints about the change in
> > format: Start your own
> > > list.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel
> > <bc726@... <bc726%40freenet.carleton.ca>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> > > > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> > > > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group
> > cwilli5210
> > > > >
> > > > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> > > > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten
> > years, and also
> > > > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the
> > same time, I would
> > > > > like to announce that the new Editorial Board
> > of the journal
> > > > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is
> > not fulfilling
> > > > > its original aim, which was to be a forum for
> > discussion of
> > > > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to
> > end free
> > > > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
> > > >
> > > > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in
> > on the decision to end
> > > > discussion in this group. I know the members
> > had no say. So who did?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > --
> > > Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should
simply make one at Yahoo and place all the subscribers
to this list onto the new announcement list. Lets (pun
intended) have two lists."
-----------------------------------------------------

Of course, this is just plain good common sense.  With
a few mouse clicks they could set up a parallel
announcement list.  Which tells me that Colin Williams
and his "editorial board" don't have just plain good
common sense, or he is lying to us.  I suspect the
latter possibility is the more likely.  If the
discussions have not gone the way they wanted, he can
blame himself for that, for being the completely
incompetent moderator he has been.  "Hands off,"
indeed.  Not doing his job is the better way to
describe it.  He corrects that deficiency through
eliminating his job by discontinuing the list.  What a
laugh.

Peter


--- Pablo 88 <pablo88@...> wrote:

> John and others -
>
> I am an intermittent communicator on this list but I
> plug in to read
> posts 2 or 3 times a week to add to my intelligence
> diet. Castrating
> it into a mere announcement list is simply
> counter-productive to
> nurturing the ball of energy that is needed to make
> CC's manifest in
> the world.
>
> If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should
> simply make one at
> Yahoo and place all the subscribers to this list
> onto the new
> announcement list. Lets (pun intended) have two
> lists.
>
> This discussion list is like a CC right now. The
> currency is the
> exchange of information between us, the community.
> The move to an
> announcement list is analagous to going into the
> central banking
> business.
>
> The value of this list is in the people here, not in
> the title IJCCR.
> IJCCR should be thrilled that they have such a
> vibrant and at times
> contentious arena of, in the main, honest debate.
>
> I politely request that IJCCR creates a new
> announcement list (ie
> ijccr_announce@yahoogroups.com) to run alongside
> this one. The loss of
> momentum in failing to do that far outweighs any
> advantages that IJCCR
> may think it will attain.
>
> -- Pablo
>
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2007 12:02 AM, Rich Vázquez
> <rich.vazquez@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nobody decided to "end free discussion." The
> owners of this list extended
> >  the opportunity for people to set up their own
> mailing lists and announce
> >  them here, which some have done.
> >
> >  If you don't like their decision, you can set up
> your own list and announce
> >  it here.
> >
> >  The owners of the list are not obligated to run
> the list in a way that we
> >  demand. The list is run on *their* time and
> energy. People who want that
> >  environment can set up their own and announce
> them here.
> >
> >  Frankly, they are being responsible my
> recognizing the limitations of their
> >  intended scope and final project. It's not easy
> to "end" or drastically
> >  change a community.
> >
> >  Solutions to all complaints about the change in
> format: Start your own
> > list.
> >
> >
> >  On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel
> <bc726@...> wrote:
> >
> >  > >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> >  > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> >  > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group
> cwilli5210
> >  > >
> >  > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> >  > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten
> years, and also
> >  > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the
> same time, I would
> >  > > like to announce that the new Editorial Board
> of the journal
> >  > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is
> not fulfilling
> >  > > its original aim, which was to be a forum for
> discussion of
> >  > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
> >  > >
> >  >
> >  > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to
> end free
> >  > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
> >  >
> >  > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in
> on the decision to end
> >  > discussion in this group. I know the members
> had no say. So who did?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >
> >  --
> >  --
> >  Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
> >
> >  [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> >
> >
> >
>



      
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John and others -

I am an intermittent communicator on this list but I plug in to read
posts 2 or 3 times a week to add to my intelligence diet. Castrating
it into a mere announcement list is simply counter-productive to
nurturing the ball of energy that is needed to make CC's manifest in
the world.

If IJCCR wants an announcement list, then it should simply make one at
Yahoo and place all the subscribers to this list onto the new
announcement list. Lets (pun intended) have two lists.

This discussion list is like a CC right now. The currency is the
exchange of information between us, the community. The move to an
announcement list is analagous to going into the central banking
business.

The value of this list is in the people here, not in the title IJCCR.
IJCCR should be thrilled that they have such a vibrant and at times
contentious arena of, in the main, honest debate.

I politely request that IJCCR creates a new announcement list (ie
ijccr_announce@yahoogroups.com) to run alongside this one. The loss of
momentum in failing to do that far outweighs any advantages that IJCCR
may think it will attain.

-- Pablo



On Nov 29, 2007 12:02 AM, Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nobody decided to "end free discussion." The owners of this list extended
>  the opportunity for people to set up their own mailing lists and announce
>  them here, which some have done.
>
>  If you don't like their decision, you can set up your own list and announce
>  it here.
>
>  The owners of the list are not obligated to run the list in a way that we
>  demand. The list is run on *their* time and energy. People who want that
>  environment can set up their own and announce them here.
>
>  Frankly, they are being responsible my recognizing the limitations of their
>  intended scope and final project. It's not easy to "end" or drastically
>  change a community.
>
>  Solutions to all complaints about the change in format: Start your own
> list.
>
>
>  On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel <bc726@...> wrote:
>
>  > >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
>  > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
>  > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group cwilli5210
>  > >
>  > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
>  > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten years, and also
>  > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the same time, I would
>  > > like to announce that the new Editorial Board of the journal
>  > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is not fulfilling
>  > > its original aim, which was to be a forum for discussion of
>  > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
>  > >
>  >
>  > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to end free
>  > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
>  >
>  > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in on the decision to end
>  > discussion in this group. I know the members had no say. So who did?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  --
>  --
>  Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

The lack of intellectual content to your messages
would get you banned from any reasonably moderated
list.  You follow the insipidly stupid comment that I
observed with more insipidly stupid comments. It's not
whining but observation that they've done nothing to
contribute to the discussions, and to prove the point
they close down the list.  Just an indication of THEIR
intellectual capacity.

Peter.


--- Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez@...> wrote:

> Exactly - you would be banned in a normally
> moderated list.  So quit whining
> and start your own list.  Perhaps one that follows
> basic netiquette and
> decent human interaction - like lack of insults for
> the sake of insults and
> building up tiny bully egos or cross-posting spam.
>
> They aren't shutting down everything - everyone here
> has the ability to
> start a list and spend their time and energy doing
> or not doing anything.
> And everyone can follow.  Start a list, be
> righteous, invite others.. see if
> anyone shows up.
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 9:39 PM, Peter Hogwood
> <p_t_hogwood@...> wrote:
>
> >   "The list is run on *their* time and energy."
> >
>
-----------------------------------------------------
> >
> > What an insipidly stupid comment. What "time and
> > energy"? For the past several years, they, the
> > so-called "moderator" included, have done nothing
> > whatsoever to promote the list, or take part in or
> > guide the discussions. They don't read the
> messages.
> > Spam stays in the archive for weeks and months.
> What
> > a pitiable excuse for "them." And now "they" want
> to
> > shut it down.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > --- Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez@...
> <rich.vazquez%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Nobody decided to "end free discussion." The
> > > owners of this list extended
> > > the opportunity for people to set up their own
> > > mailing lists and announce
> > > them here, which some have done.
> > >
> > > If you don't like their decision, you can set up
> > > your own list and announce
> > > it here.
> > >
> > > The owners of the list are not obligated to run
> the
> > > list in a way that we
> > > demand. The list is run on *their* time and
> energy.
> > > People who want that
> > > environment can set up their own and announce
> them
> > > here.
> > >
> > > Frankly, they are being responsible my
> recognizing
> > > the limitations of their
> > > intended scope and final project. It's not easy
> to
> > > "end" or drastically
> > > change a community.
> > >
> > > Solutions to all complaints about the change in
> > > format: Start your own list.
> > >
> > > On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel
> > > <bc726@...
> <bc726%40freenet.carleton.ca>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> > > > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> > > > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group
> > > cwilli5210
> > > > >
> > > > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> > > > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten
> > > years, and also
> > > > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the
> same
> > > time, I would
> > > > > like to announce that the new Editorial
> Board of
> > > the journal
> > > > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is
> not
> > > fulfilling
> > > > > its original aim, which was to be a forum
> for
> > > discussion of
> > > > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to
> end
> > > free
> > > > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
> > > >
> > > > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was
> in on
> > > the decision to end
> > > > discussion in this group. I know the members
> had
> > > no say. So who did?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > --
> > > Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > > removed]
> > >
> > >


      
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Exactly - you would be banned in a normally moderated list.  So quit whining
and start your own list.  Perhaps one that follows basic netiquette and
decent human interaction - like lack of insults for the sake of insults and
building up tiny bully egos or cross-posting spam.

They aren't shutting down everything - everyone here has the ability to
start a list and spend their time and energy doing or not doing anything.
And everyone can follow.  Start a list, be righteous, invite others.. see if
anyone shows up.



On Nov 28, 2007 9:39 PM, Peter Hogwood <p_t_hogwood@...> wrote:

>   "The list is run on *their* time and energy."
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> What an insipidly stupid comment. What "time and
> energy"? For the past several years, they, the
> so-called "moderator" included, have done nothing
> whatsoever to promote the list, or take part in or
> guide the discussions. They don't read the messages.
> Spam stays in the archive for weeks and months. What
> a pitiable excuse for "them." And now "they" want to
> shut it down.
>
> Peter
>
> --- Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez@... <rich.vazquez%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Nobody decided to "end free discussion." The
> > owners of this list extended
> > the opportunity for people to set up their own
> > mailing lists and announce
> > them here, which some have done.
> >
> > If you don't like their decision, you can set up
> > your own list and announce
> > it here.
> >
> > The owners of the list are not obligated to run the
> > list in a way that we
> > demand. The list is run on *their* time and energy.
> > People who want that
> > environment can set up their own and announce them
> > here.
> >
> > Frankly, they are being responsible my recognizing
> > the limitations of their
> > intended scope and final project. It's not easy to
> > "end" or drastically
> > change a community.
> >
> > Solutions to all complaints about the change in
> > format: Start your own list.
> >
> > On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel
> > <bc726@... <bc726%40freenet.carleton.ca>> wrote:
> >
> > > >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> > > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> > > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group
> > cwilli5210
> > > >
> > > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> > > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten
> > years, and also
> > > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the same
> > time, I would
> > > > like to announce that the new Editorial Board of
> > the journal
> > > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is not
> > fulfilling
> > > > its original aim, which was to be a forum for
> > discussion of
> > > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to end
> > free
> > > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
> > >
> > > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in on
> > the decision to end
> > > discussion in this group. I know the members had
> > no say. So who did?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --
> > Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"The list is run on *their* time and energy."
-----------------------------------------------------

What an insipidly stupid comment.  What "time and
energy"?  For the past several years, they, the
so-called "moderator" included, have done nothing
whatsoever to promote the list, or take part in or
guide the discussions.  They don't read the messages.
Spam stays in the archive for weeks and months.  What
a pitiable excuse for "them."  And now "they" want to
shut it down.

Peter


--- Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez@...> wrote:

> Nobody decided to "end free discussion."   The
> owners of this list extended
> the opportunity for people to set up their own
> mailing lists and announce
> them here, which some have done.
>
> If you don't like their decision, you can set up
> your own list and announce
> it here.
>
> The owners of the list are not obligated to run the
> list in a way that we
> demand.  The list is run on *their* time and energy.
>  People who want that
> environment can set up their own and announce them
> here.
>
> Frankly, they are being responsible my recognizing
> the limitations of their
> intended scope and final project. It's not easy to
> "end" or drastically
> change a community.
>
> Solutions to all complaints about the change in
> format: Start your own list.
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel
> <bc726@...> wrote:
>
> >   >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> > > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> > > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group
> cwilli5210
> > >
> > > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> > > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten
> years, and also
> > > hands-off moderator of this Group for the same
> time, I would
> > > like to announce that the new Editorial Board of
> the journal
> > > has decided that this 'discussion list' is not
> fulfilling
> > > its original aim, which was to be a forum for
> discussion of
> > > the issues arising in the journal articles.
> > >
> >
> > > JCT: So how many people made the decision to end
> free
> > > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
> >
> > Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in on
> the decision to end
> > discussion in this group. I know the members had
> no say. So who did?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>



      
________________________________________________________________________________\
____
Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Nobody decided to "end free discussion."   The owners of this list extended
the opportunity for people to set up their own mailing lists and announce
them here, which some have done.

If you don't like their decision, you can set up your own list and announce
it here.

The owners of the list are not obligated to run the list in a way that we
demand.  The list is run on *their* time and energy.  People who want that
environment can set up their own and announce them here.

Frankly, they are being responsible my recognizing the limitations of their
intended scope and final project. It's not easy to "end" or drastically
change a community.

Solutions to all complaints about the change in format: Start your own list.

On Nov 28, 2007 5:47 PM, John C. Turmel <bc726@...> wrote:

>   >#8471From: "cwilli5210" <CWilli5210@>
> > >Date: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:21 pm
> > >Subject: Future of IJCCR discussion group cwilli5210
> >
> > CW: Dear IJCCR discussion group members,
> > As Editor of the IJCCR journal for some ten years, and also
> > hands-off moderator of this Group for the same time, I would
> > like to announce that the new Editorial Board of the journal
> > has decided that this 'discussion list' is not fulfilling
> > its original aim, which was to be a forum for discussion of
> > the issues arising in the journal articles.
> >
>
> > JCT: So how many people made the decision to end free
> > discussion? And who were in on the decision?
>
> Jct: We're still waiting to find out who was in on the decision to end
> discussion in this group. I know the members had no say. So who did?
>
>
>



--
--
Rich Vázquez, CISSP, CISA


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