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Hi everyone,
I've just posted another fabulous Firminger photo of Tsalapatas 509,
this time on the level crossing (!) with  Volos – Larissa road, near
the Brickworks premises. Photo taken in May 1962.

Sorry guys, but I forgot to caption the photo. It's 509 with a rake of
empties on its way to Dimini clay pits in May 1962.

Hi everyone,
I've just posted a COLOR photo of Tsalapatas Decauville 509 in REGULAR
SERVICE!

Hi all,

Regarding my archives, i saw that the official date, that the railway in Ptolemais mines, closed is not the 31/12/1999, such i wrote in a message before 1 week.

The exact day is the 13  August 1999.  

References:  Magazin: LIGNITODROMENA, Official Edition of the administration of the National Greek Company of Electricity (D.E.H), vol. 4 (October 1999) 

 Regards

Alexandros

Hi everyone,
and thank you Tim for posting the JULIA photo! There was a metre-gauge
railway began from Strofyli, on the former Attica Railways (SA), and
ran north for some 10 km to the marble quarries at Dionysos,
originally exploited by the British company "Grecian Marbles (Marmor)
Ltd". Wagons loaded with marble would be brought down to the Kifissia
station where they were coupled on to SA passenger trains scheduled
for Athens. So far, only JULIA has been identified. There was also a
600mm-gauge line, restricted within the quarries, on which a
four-wheeled tank has been reported to operate. Following the closure
of the Athens-Kifissia railway in 1938, the transport of marble was
taken over by trucks. The Dionysos railway, however, even though
non-operational, was not dismantled until the early 60s. "JULIA" had
long since moved to Crete where it operated as work locomotive on the
construction of the Iraklion Port acquiring the most suitable name
"MINOS". The railway was developed in the early 1920s and was a
metre-gauge line 6 km long, which connected the docks with a local
stone quarry at Xiropotamos until 1937. The steam locomotives, besides
"JULIA/MINOS", included "ARIADNE" and `THESEUS", both the latter have
been reported as 22 ton six-coupled tanks of German origin. It seems
that the contract was awarded to a British company, but no further
info is available, except that Technical Director on site was a "Mr.
Michael Pine".

Back to Dionysos marbles, the company is still doing business under
the name "DionyssoMarble Group" with the original London-based
"Grecian Marmor Ltd" still being part of the group, exploiting the
famous "green marble" in the Agean Island of Tinos. More can be found
at www.dionyssomarble.gr

Hello Everybody,

This photo is of "Julia" a metre gauge machine built by Andrew Barclay
at Kilmarnock for Grecian Marbles (Marmor) Ltd. She has 14"x 20"
cylinders and 3'0" diameter wheels.She was shipped from Grangemouth
(Scotland) to Piraeus on 25/07/1912. Does anybody know anything of her
career and what became of her?

Regards, Tim.

Hello Everbody,

This new photo was taken at Volos Depot in May 2000 and shows two
locos. In the foreground is the chassis and tanks of Thessaly Railways
2-6-0T No.102 "Pilion", and behind that the real object of interest,
Baldwin WD 4-6-0T "Elli", No.45010 of 1917. Used on the Sarakli-Stavros
line and later the Skala Oropou-Sfendali industrial line.

Regards, Tim Hills.

Hi everyone,
I've just posted a draft list of industrial steam locos in the country
(PDF format). I think it's a good starting point for our research.
Internal combustion engines and electrics will follow in due time.

Regards
Yiannis

Hello everbody,
  New picture added: "Not Kilmarnock" by Robin Barnes, depicts "Kakavos"
at work on Evia Island in her heyday. The title refers of course to the
place where the locomotive was built. Picture posted by kind permission
of the artist, Robin Barnes.
Regards ,Tim Hills

Tim Hills wrote:
> "Markus" wrote:
>>
>> Tim Hills wrote:
>>> ... but only four 0-4+4-0 and one 0-6+6-0 were built. "Kakavos"
>>> was to two feet five and a half inch gauge, ...
>>
>> which is, if my program works correctly, 750 mm.
>> This gauge could be called, if you prefer a complicated
>> expression, 3/4 m. But 2"5½' isn't absolutely correct, as
>> it is a metric gauge.
>
> The quoted gauge is from official sources, i.e. the buiders, and on
> my program works out to 749.3mm. (!) What exactly do you mean when
> you say that two feet five and a half is a metric gauge?? To me
> these are Imperial measurements.

In my understanding the builder of the infrastructure defines the
gauge and with this gauge in mind he will search locomotives.
In continental Europe most narrow gauge lines, including
industrial lines, were built to metric gauges, mostly 50, 60,
70, 75, 80, 90, 95 cm or 1 m.

On the other hand it is clear that a builder working with
imperial measurments will indicate all measurements in
"his" system. 749.3 mm is close enough for a locomotive
to work on 750 mm gauge.

From all informations we have (sure, there might be more,
this is why we participate in this group), we must conclude
that the infrastructure was built to 750 mm gauge. The
indications of a builder of one of the locomotives doesn't
change that.

Alos Yiannis quoted the gauges as 750 and 600 mm.

Markus, Gürbetal






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Hi everyone,

It gives me such a pleasure to read this exchange of
emails concerning 'Kakavos'. Back in the early 80s I
have been working in that particular area of Evvia
doing my PhD in the area around the magnesite mine of
Kakavos. At that time a factory pic of the engine was
published in a journal, and I remember having shown it
to a retired worker who almost went to tears!! I can't
remember the name of the journal, but it was certainly
published in the late 70s.

The sad news is that the engine was apparently
scrapped when the rail network was closed. Very few
traces of the network could be seen in the '80s,
including a couple of loading ramps near the Monastery
of Galatakis, south of Limni.

The good news is that in the mid 70s and early 80s, a
series of papers were published by the IGME (the
Institute for Geological Research) in Greece,
concerning the mineral wealth of the Evvia prefecture,
and they include maps of the rail network. These are
certainly now be out of print, but I'll have a look in
my old boxes ...standby for more news!

Cheers,

Joseph


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Hi,

Hawk is a Kitson Meyer 0-4+4-0 articulated loco based on a design built by Andrew Barclay Sons & Co for the 2'5.5" Anglo Greek Magnesite Company in 1903. She was the first steam locomotive to be completely outshopped from the Clayton West workshops. Hawk has 14" driving wheels with 4 cylinders each having 5" bore and 8" stroke. She has Walschearts valve gear and has roller bearings on the main axleboxes, coupling and connecting rods. Hawk was completed in 1998 and originally sported only one chimney with the exhaust from both bogies being piped to the smokebox. Later in 1998 the second chimney (in the coal bunker) was added. Hawk runs with a multiple jet blast nozzle and a future modification is to introduce the gas producer combustion system now well proven on both Fox and Badger. This will involve some additional pipework to carry some of the rear exhaust to the ashpan. Like Fox and Badger Hawk runs with a saturated steam welded steel boiler which combines with its two power bogies to give her a tractive effort of 4371lbs making her not just the largest but also the most powerful loco on the line, and arguably the most powerful 15" gauge locomotive in the country and possibly the world.

Text and photos from http://www.kirkleeslightrailway.com/

Regards

Alexandros

--- In industrial_railways_greece@yahoogroups.com, "Markus"
<guerbetaler@...> wrote:
>
> Tim Hills wrote:
> > ... but only four 0-4+4-0 and one 0-6+6-0 were built. "Kakavos"
> > was to two feet five and a half inch gauge, ...
>
> which is, if my program works correctly, 750 mm.
> This gauge could be called, if you prefer a complicated
> expression, 3/4 m. But 2"5½' isn't absolutely correct, as
> it is a metric gauge.
>
> Markus, Gürbetal
>
>
> Hello Markus,

The quoted gauge is from official sources, i.e. the buiders, and on
my program works out to 749.3mm. (!) What exactly do you mean when
you say that two feet five and a half is a metric gauge?? To me
these are Imperial measurements.

Regards, Tim.
>
>
>
>
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Tim Hills wrote:
> ... but only four 0-4+4-0 and one 0-6+6-0 were built. "Kakavos"
> was to two feet five and a half inch gauge, ...

which is, if my program works correctly, 750 mm.
This gauge could be called, if you prefer a complicated
expression, 3/4 m. But 2"5½' isn't absolutely correct, as
it is a metric gauge.

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--- In industrial_railways_greece@yahoogroups.com, "YIANNIS
ZARTALOODES" <zartaloodes@...> wrote:
  I say, a works photo of the articulated loco, (by
> the way the only Meyer ever run on Greek metals), would be quite a
> treasure, wouldn't it?
>
Here you go Yiannis,

A Works photo of "Kakavos" courtesy of the Industrial Locomotive
Society. This pretty and well proportioned little machine was Andrew
Barclay's first foray into Meyer type machines - they planned a
range of 0-4+4-0 and 0-6+6-0 locos in metre, 3'6" and standard
gauges, but only four 0-4+4-0 and one 0-6+6-0 were built. "Kakavos"
was to two feet five and a half inch gauge, she was strictly a
Kitson type Meyer with  the boiler, tanks, cab and bunker mounted on
a girder frame resting on two 4-wheel engine units with outside
cylinders mounted at the rear of each unit, the front exhaust being
entirely conventional whilst the rear exhaust ran up through the
bunker to a separate chimney, clearly visible in the photo. Wouldn't
it be nice to think that she still exists somewhere, rusting quietly
beneath the olive trees?

Regards, Tim Hills.

The underground wealth of Evia Island attracted several mining
companies, some of which ceased activity in the 1980s. The most
extensive magnesite mines, employing 750mm and 600mm-gauge systems,
were located in Galataki (near Limni on the north-west coast) and
Afrati (about 10 km east of Halkis); they were exploited by a
London-based company named Petrified Ltd, which was founded in 1897
and sold its assets to the Anglo-Greek Magnesite Co Ltd (AGM) in 1902.
  A steeply-graded and sharply-curved line some 15 km long was built to
connect the mines with Galataki harbour.  In 1912 AGM acquired the
assets of the "Societe Hellenique des Mines de Magnesite", including
the magnesite mines at Pyli village on the east coast of Evia. So far,
the steam locos operated on AGM system have been identified as follows:

750mm-gauge:
"GALATAKI", 0-4-0T (Bn2t) Kerr Stuart 113/1899
"ST. JOHN"  0-4-2T (B1'n2t) Kerr Stuart 658/1899
  "KAKAVOS" 0-4-4-0T (B' B' n4t) Meyer-articulated engine built by
Barclay, 960/1903.

  600mm-gauge:
"ARCHANGELOS", "PEFTELI" and "HORTOKOPI" 0-4-2ST (B1'n2t) Kerr Stuart
1261 - 1263/1912.
[Name not known] 0-4-2ST (B1'n2t) Kerr Stuart 1293/1912.


AGM ceased mining activity shortly after WW2, the railway was
dismantled and the rolling stock, according to locals, was sold for
scrap in later years. In 1959 the Greek-owned Portolos Co. acquired
the assets of AGM. Today, some ruined structures and part of the
trackbed can still be found at Galataki and Afrati.

Can any of our British fellows come up with more info on the Petrified
Ltd and the engines? I say, a works photo of the articulated loco, (by
the way the only Meyer ever run on Greek metals), would be quite a
treasure, wouldn't be?

Hello,

Here is a new article about the Tsalapatas Brickworks

http://www.i-politismos.gr/tsalapatas_sx_eng.html

Regards

Alexandros