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Re: [intentionalcommunityvictoria] Re: Why Foster? Why South Gippsland?

Hmmm, Rob,

Whether crash or contraction, there are no guarantees. 

Until we learn that important lesson, we cannot open ourselves up to 'what could be'. As Neil Douglas, the Victorian Artists / Environmentalist once so eloquently said, (words in brackets are mine):

"The character of the bush has something about it which we don't really miss at all. I think if we miss it, it's deliberate. It's because we're after an identity of some-kind that we deliberately hate the bush, even when we're in the act of playing tribute to it.

We humans will not have any identity whatsoever unless we can face the prospect of no identity.

The thing we desperately search for in our hearts is justice & god & happiness, community work and community relationships. But the bush says 'there is no justice. There is no order.' Human beings have NO IDENTITY. They are part of the accidental behavior of natural circumstances.

Now, until we encompass this emptiness in the Universe, we cannot be Humanists. We cannot have a true relation with another Human Being. The whole thing (our present system) is based on sentiment. Childish, naive, innocent sentimentality."

And so we have people like Lloyd 'competing' for that 'childish sentimentality', with varying degrees of 'childish reality'.

Regards

Andrew

 



From: Rob Windt <meridian_power@...>
To: intentionalcommunityvictoria@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 31 January, 2009 12:12:52 PM
Subject: [intentionalcommunityvictoria] Re: Why Foster? Why South Gippsland?

That's a fair comment Andrew, I suppose it comes down to preparing
for a crash or a contraction, and you're right that there are no
guarantees or "hand holding" on the former
Cheers
Rob

--- In intentionalcommunit yvictoria@ yahoogroups. com, Andrew Stretton
<andrewpstretton@ ...> wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> The article doesn't get my goat, if anything, it simply reinforces
my belief that when it comes to the future and to what is unfolding,
there is a distinct lack of 'depth' in the thinking of many people.
This article is a 'populist' sales pitch by the South Gippsland
Shire's contact for the Foster Chamber of Commerce, a checklist that
most people from the cities who are considering a tree change would
agree with and as such, it fails dismally. Many of the truly critical
topics are simply not covered, it is therefore an article written
primarily for people who are looking for 'guarantees' .
>
> What are the critical topics? Will I be covering them? No. The
realities we will have to face in the future cannot be taught. Most
Humans seeking guarantees shy away from adversity and hostility, the
rich experiences that in truth could provide them with considerable
personal growth and critically important survival skills and
resilience.
>
> We have observed an interesting phenomena on our property North of
the Divide. We grow wild rocket, giant red mustard (a lettuce like
green) and kale, simply because they are very hardy and the insects
and pests hate the taste of the leaves and won't go near the plants.
>
> So it is with the Human visitors to the property, all of whom spit
out these highly nutritious raw leaves after only two chews, because
the 'taste is too strong'.
>
> A decision to move to any area requires thinking way beyond that of
the insects.
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew
>
>
>



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Lloyd Morecom lives in the Sth Gippsland town of Foster and writes a fine blog http://southgippslandfutures.blogspot.com/ this is one of his latest entries The...
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Sorry Rob, You post some of the most interesting commentary on the web through Intentional Community Vic, but this one from this guy is a crock of you know...
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That's an interesting reaction Andrew, is there any part in particular that "got your goat", or is it the tone in general? I don't think that he's selling any...
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Thanks for drawing my attention to this article Rob. My reaction is the opposite to Andrew's. Its a well thought out article that covers a lot of ground. Lloyd...
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I have a soft spot for Mirboo North as my sister lives in the centre of town and my mother is on the edge of it, they were all evacuated yesterday and the town...
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Hi Rob, The article doesn't get my goat, if anything, it simply reinforces my belief that when it comes to the future and to what is unfolding, there is a...
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That's a fair comment Andrew, I suppose it comes down to preparing for a crash or a contraction, and you're right that there are no guarantees or "hand...
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Hmmm, Rob, Whether crash or contraction, there are no guarantees. Until we learn that important lesson, we cannot open ourselves up to 'what could be'. As Neil...
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