Hi, I've tried Io and found that it's interesting language. I want to port my in-house application (which uses DLL provided by other vendor) to Io. The main...
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dennisf486
Jun 6, 2012 2:37 am
Just read Jan-Paul's threads on the mailing list from 2011 about coroutines and Io debuggers. Rather than necro both old threads, I thought I'd start a new...
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 6, 2012 4:00 pm
Alright, so I've got a particularly interesting problem to solve. Lets say I have 3 files: ``` io # haml.io Haml := clone ``` ``` io # sass.io Sass := clone ...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 6, 2012 4:31 pm
Yes. Haml doFile("Compressor.io") Importer really needs a filePathFor(…) method which takes a string, and returns you the path that Importer's FileImporter...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Jun 6, 2012 5:06 pm
The problem was not with coroutines in general, but some flaws with their implementation. It was pretty easy to fix, I still have the patches lying around in...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
Jun 6, 2012 7:07 pm
Kurtis, I'm guessing Jer's answer is what you're after but just to be clear, unlike C or some other languages, Io doesn't have any notion of a file context...
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dennisf486
Jun 7, 2012 12:01 am
I've decided the best way to implement a featureful Io debugger would be to extend GDB. Either a wrapper around GDB, a GDB plugin, or a binary that combines...
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 9, 2012 7:23 pm
One of the cool things about SmallTalk, and other languages including Ruby in v2, was the keyword argument syntax sugar (pseudo-code): define help(title,...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Jun 9, 2012 7:53 pm
With single args and proxy objects ;P Color clone red:50 green:19 blue:100 Cheers Jan...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 9, 2012 8:32 pm
This discussion goes back many years, and Steve's always said something along these lines: Tell me how this parses: a: b c d: e: f Smalltalk had 3 precedence...
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 9, 2012 8:36 pm
Jeremy, you bring up a good point, but I wonder if you have anything to ... doesn't reduce any cognitive load I'd be interested on any data on this, because it...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 9, 2012 9:20 pm
Sure, consider the Smalltalk method ifTrue:ifFalse: You can't reverse those, since the selector is of course, ifTrue:ifFalse: You also have to remember their...
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 9, 2012 9:42 pm
That's an interesting example, but I'm not sure if I'd consider it backing up your claim. Consider this counter example: if(1 == 1, print "Yep, that's right",...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 9, 2012 9:51 pm
... As someone who writes code for a living, I cannot remember a single instance in the last 24 years I've had to do this. So I consider this a red herring. ...
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 9, 2012 10:07 pm
You've never refactored your code before in a way that changed the arguments in your method? Fine, ok, I might be able to see that happening, but that doesn't...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 9, 2012 10:13 pm
... Changed the arguments? Yes of course, reordered them? Not once, ever. ... Only if it's actually telling the truth. I've run into a lot of code that is...
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 9, 2012 10:49 pm
... Still doesn't make it a red herring. ... It doesn't solve that problem, but then I don't think I said it did. Here's the problems it solves: 1. I have to...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 9, 2012 11:10 pm
... Then we should agree to disagree on this point and move on. ... If you aren't doing this already, I don't think you have what it takes to be a programmer....
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 9, 2012 11:23 pm
Thanks for the discussion Jeremy, but I don't think there's much else for me to say. I tried to be civil, but you make things difficult when you continually...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 9, 2012 11:31 pm
Sorry you see it as an attack, I'm merely trying to have a discussion with technical merit. Regards, Jeremy Tregunna...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Jun 10, 2012 1:27 am
... This is what metaprogramming is about, instead of having a giant language designed by committee where _everything_ is integrated, you get a small...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Jun 10, 2012 2:34 am
... Huh, so you are that mysterious person that uses Io at Pixar ^^, to bad that blog post disappeared I'd really love to read it :D ... And thanks for the...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Jun 10, 2012 4:17 am
Dear Kurtis, Saying Io needs more literals and syntax and everything, because other languages need them is like saying it needs gotos and label because...
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Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
me@...
Jun 10, 2012 7:53 am
Dear Jan-Paul, I would have written a response correcting many of the points where you misunderstand, misinterpret, or plain straw-man my argument. I was...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Jun 10, 2012 11:18 am
... Not if those are known. And they are known. What we tend to do when we have a problem we look into the ML archives and every point (beside that : :: :::...
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William Tanksley, Jr
wtanksle
Jun 10, 2012 1:59 pm
Moderator, please explain the list rules to these two. -Wm...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 10, 2012 2:28 pm
So, I had a wild thought yesterday: Exposing the host language in the source language, without having the source language act as a compiler to translate its...
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Jan-Paul Bultmann
janpaulbultm...
Jun 10, 2012 5:04 pm
When compiling down, what keeps you from using a DSL to C-Source compiler? Although I certainly understand that this introduces a huge DSL ^^ Also would this...
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Jeremy Tregunna
jeremy.tregunna@...
Jun 10, 2012 5:27 pm
... Technically nothing, however the idea would be to avoid having to compile any code ahead of time, and interoperability with the host language at runtime. ...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
Jun 13, 2012 8:08 pm
As objects are about coupling data and logic, if you're passing a lot of arguments(data) around to methods (logic), then it looks suspiciously like you've...
