First impression is that it's very powerful but not too complicated. Jason...
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Doc O'Leary
doc_oleary
May 11, 2005 2:14 pm
... It seem decidedly . . . un-small. To get an idea of the higher-level collection concept, I'd really prefer to see just the primitive methods....
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Alwin Blok
alwinblok
May 11, 2005 3:49 pm
... Looks nice! I have some questions though, * I assume slice will modify the receiver and viewSlice won't ? * Any chance for the splice method? * Are the...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 11, 2005 4:18 pm
... yes. ... What does that do? Do you mean join()? ... last and first don't modify the receiver. I like the idea of a pop method. ... Interesting idea! The...
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Jason Grossman
jas0ngr0ssman
May 12, 2005 1:38 am
... I don't understand. Presumably this must be different from projectiles clone select(visible) foreach(redraw) or else you wouldn't be suggesting it, would...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 12, 2005 3:36 am
... There are 2 important differences: - it works on Strings (which are immutable) - it's more efficient than operations like "clone select" in cases where the...
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Jason Grossman
jas0ngr0ssman
May 12, 2005 5:34 am
... But I can already clone strings without any problem, and it works just the way I'd expect: Io> j := "a" ==> a Io> j ==> a Io> k := j clone ==> a Io> k =...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 12, 2005 6:19 am
... Yes, but you can't do mutable operations on them. With the current interface, we have the following problem: mutation methods like: removePrefix("foo") are...
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Rob Rix
rix_rob
May 12, 2005 6:36 am
I likes it. ... ____________________ Rob Rix, himself &c....
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Jason Grossman
jas0ngr0ssman
May 12, 2005 12:50 pm
... Yes, excellent. Thanks. But I'm a bit worried about the name of the new method: you had to explain to me how cloneRemovePrefix differs from clone...
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Doc O'Leary
doc_oleary
May 12, 2005 2:10 pm
... I'm going to dissent and say no. Abstractly, immutability is a (potential) property of any given object, and one that is quite rare at that. Some...
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Alwin Blok
alwinblok
May 12, 2005 3:50 pm
... I got used to pop, push, shift, unshift, slice, splice, from javascript (and ruby). Here's a spec for splice: ...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 12, 2005 4:10 pm
... Yes, we should consistently have something in the method names that: 1. distinguishes clone operations (in-place operations are the default), or 2....
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Doc O'Leary
doc_oleary
May 12, 2005 7:25 pm
... In the interest of small, 3 should be discarded immediately. ... This I agree with. ... The case against is that you get *nothing* by having the additional...
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Mike Austin
mike_ekim
May 12, 2005 7:54 pm
... I agree the 'clone' seems clunky. What about making the mehtods past tense? There's already a 'capitalized', and I know that it returns a new string. ...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 12, 2005 8:01 pm
... Doc, It's more general than that. Consider: listOfBuffers foreach(removePrefix("foo";)) and: listOfStrings foreach(removePrefix("foo";)) and notice that the...
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William Tanksley, Jr
wtanksle
May 12, 2005 8:33 pm
... It seems to me that this problem could be resolved by having all the methods return the modified object, and therefore having the iterators replace the...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 12, 2005 8:41 pm
... It's more general than that. Consider: listOfBuffers foreach(removePrefix("foo";)) and: listOfStrings foreach(removePrefix("foo";)) and notice that the...
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peterhull90
May 12, 2005 9:07 pm
... Actually, the opposite is true. You didn't crash the C code at all, instead it exited (I guess) via an Io exception. The back trace shows the stack from...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 12, 2005 9:14 pm
... Sorry for the duplicate post. -- Steve...
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Doc O'Leary
doc_oleary
May 12, 2005 9:21 pm
... OK, but I don't understand what you want those examples to *mean*. For the first, the current and "new" (as I posit) behavior seems to be as expected: the...
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Mike Austin
mike_ekim
May 12, 2005 9:31 pm
... IoDesktop Cygwin 2005-05-06 is available: http://www.mike-austin.com/io/IoDesktop-Cygwin-2005-05-06.zip Mike...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 12, 2005 10:48 pm
... Mike, Thanks for keeping the windows binaries up to date! -- Steve...
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Jason Grossman
jas0ngr0ssman
May 13, 2005 1:13 am
... I agree with all of those points, but the problem remains that cloneFoo looks like it does the same thing as clone foo, but it doesn't always. So I suggest...
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Jason Grossman
jas0ngr0ssman
May 13, 2005 1:13 am
Thanks. Jason...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 13, 2005 10:41 am
... When doesn't it? It does the same thing as clone foo would if the receiver were mutable. -- Steve...
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Doc O'Leary
doc_oleary
May 13, 2005 11:28 am
... And *that* is *my* reason for not liking it: it does the same thing. You're adding things to methods that don't add anything. Then you go and add methods...
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Mike Austin
mike_ekim
May 13, 2005 8:08 pm
No comments on this? :) ... I'm not saying it's the best approach, but something to think about. Mike...
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Steve Dekorte
stevedekorte
May 13, 2005 8:28 pm
... It's a good idea, but the rule: - add "clone" to the front of the method name seems simpler than: - somehow rearrange the words and add an "ed" -- Steve...
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Rob Rix
rix_rob
May 13, 2005 9:48 pm
Then again, you do speak English, and verb tenses aren't really that complex when you're practised. I like the way it reads, certainly. ... ___________________...
